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1. 06:34 AM - Re: Homebuilt Survey Expires 8/31 (mmayfield)
2. 07:45 AM - Don't Shoot the Messenger (Valovich, Paul)
3. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Homebuilt Survey Expires 8/31 (David)
4. 02:11 PM - Beech alternator fail "relay" (Paul Millner)
5. 06:58 PM - Re: Signal splitter (Speedy11@aol.com)
6. 07:10 PM - Re: Signal splitter (Speedy11@aol.com)
7. 09:45 PM - Re: Re: Homebuilt Survey Expires 8/31 (Ralph Finch)
8. 10:02 PM - Re: Beech alternator fail "relay" (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 10:05 PM - Re: Re: Signal splitter (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 10:50 PM - Re: Re: Signal splitter (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 11:02 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:06 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Survey Expires 8/31 |
Unless you happen to live in Somalia, Government is here to stay. So the OBAM community
has two choices: engage the regulator to its best advantage, or ignore
it and reap the consequences.
It's not unreasonable for the regulator to seek more data to help it formulate
policy. It's gonna make policies whether you like it or not, and the OBAM side
is gonna come into it, whether it likes it or not too. There's no need to sell
your soul in the process, but at least you can help steer it in the direction
you want.
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Mike
Your political opinions are noted. And ignored.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Don't Shoot the Messenger |
A few facts and a couple opinions before presenting my take of the NTSB sur
vey:
1. The homebuilt/experimental accident rate is much higher than that
for certified GA
2. The daily NTSB preliminary aviation accident reports document the
creative (and oftentimes stupid) ways GA pilots find to crash, hurt or kill
themselves. They're on the internet available for all to read.
3. In all NTSB prelim reports, the word EXPERIMENTAL, if appropriate,
is contained in the first sentence - pretty high vis.
4. Opinion: The non-aviation civilian sector thinks GA flying is inhe
rently dangerous and our "Piper Cubs" are a heartbeat away from falling out
of the sky - on them!
5. Opinion: The word "EXPERIMENTAL" scares the folks referred to in
(4) above even more.
Even if you disagree with 4 - 5, you can't dispute (1). Seems to me a forma
l attempt to find the root cause(s) is a worthwhile endeavor - while acknow
ledging the inherent disgust/distrust of the NTSB/FAA bureaucracy.
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Survey Expires 8/31 |
Why won't they just leave us alone?
David M.
mmayfield wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "mmayfield"<mmayfield@ozemail.com.au>
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> Unless you happen to live in Somalia, Government is here to stay. So the OBAM
community has two choices: engage the regulator to its best advantage, or ignore
it and reap the consequences.
>
> It's not unreasonable for the regulator to seek more data to help it formulate
policy. It's gonna make policies whether you like it or not, and the OBAM side
is gonna come into it, whether it likes it or not too. There's no need to sell
your soul in the process, but at least you can help steer it in the direction
you want.
>
> --------
> Mike
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> Your political opinions are noted. And ignored.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351171#351171
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>
>
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If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid
of Soros.
...democracy and a republic can function only in a firm partnership with morality
and religion. -- John Adams. Indeed. Same should be said for ANY type of
gubmnt
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| Subject: | Beech alternator fail "relay" |
>> That 'relay' was in fact a little two-transistor, plus jelly-beans
dc voltage level sensor. I rememberit well.
I think this may have predated you... I found it on my buddy's '59
V-tail Bonanza. Sure looked JUST like a 6 VAC relay to me. :-)
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Signal splitter |
Tom,
I used the Icom box that Bob mentioned. But, after Bob's comments, you
may want to not consider the Icom product. Anyway you can view my photos of
it at _http://www.rv-8a.net/2008.htm_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/2008.htm) and
scroll down to 7 Feb. I have not given it a rigorous checkout, so take
Bob's comments as those of a professional.
Here is the Aircraft Spruce link to see their ad -
_http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/icomswitchbox.php_
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/icomswitchbox.php)
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 9/1/2011 3:04:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com writes:
The comm splitter that you have is exactly what I am looking for. In case
of primary radio failure, I would like to be able to disconnect the
primary
radio and connect the handheld into the external antenna. Do you have any
information to pass along about this device.
One issue that I need to address is making sure not to activate the stick
mounted PTT switch with the antenna disconnect from the primary radio. The
Garmin folks say there is a high probability of damage. The simple answer
would be to remember to turn the primary radio OFF if it is malfunctioning.
Any and all thoughts on this matter welcome.
Tom Barter
Kesley, IA
Avid Magnum-wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Signal splitter |
Thanks to all for your comments and suggestions.
I'm flying a RV-8A and using one radio at a time would be fine - both
radios also have a second freq monitor capability. I assumed there was some
type of coax manual switch available, but I was unsure where to search.
Has anyone heard of the Narco VP-16? Another guy on the list has one for
sale but I have no experience with them. Would it be suitable to safely
split the signal? I'd hate to risk damaging two high dollar radios.
Thanks,
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 9/1/2011 3:04:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com writes:
It depends on your goals.
If you only want to use one radio at a time, a physical, mechanical coax
switch will do the job easily and inexpensively. Amateur radio
operators commonly use coax switches to switch one radio among multiple
antennas - works just as well the other way around.
But you if you mount a coax switch, the other radio is completely out of
the circuit - you can't talk on one and monitor the other.
I have seen adaptations of transmit/receive relays that would allow
attaching two radios to one antenna. In effect, when the operator keys
radio A, the T/R relay disconnects radio B, preventing back-feed damage.
This type of arrangement would allow you to use one radio and monitor
the other. These critters are scarce, and since it's an active device,
they tend to be expensive and temperamental.
neal
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Survey Expires 8/31 |
Because when we fall out of the sky at the high rates we do, too often we
hit someone or something on the ground. If we would just kill only ourselves
and destroy only our own property....
RF
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM, David <ainut@knology.net> wrote:
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> Why won't they just leave us alone?
>
> David M.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Beech alternator fail "relay" |
At 04:07 PM 9/1/2011, you wrote:
><paulmillner@compuserve.com>
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> >> That 'relay' was in fact a little two-transistor, plus
> jelly-beans dc voltage level sensor. I rememberit well.
>
>I think this may have predated you... I found it on my buddy's '59
>V-tail Bonanza. Sure looked JUST like a 6 VAC relay to me. :-)
An alternator on a '59 Bonanza? This must have been
some sort of after market mod. I don't think any alternators
were finding their way onto Wichita production aircraft
before about 1968 or thereabouts.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Signal splitter |
At 08:54 PM 9/1/2011, you wrote:
>Tom,
>I used the Icom box that Bob mentioned. But, after Bob's comments,
>you may want to not consider the Icom product. Anyway you can view
>my photos of it at
><http://www.rv-8a.net/2008.htm>http://www.rv-8a.net/2008.htm and
>scroll down to 7 Feb. I have not given it a rigorous checkout, so
>take Bob's comments as those of a professional.
>Here is the Aircraft Spruce link to see their ad -
><http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/icomswitchbox.php>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/icomswitchbox.php
Those miniature closed circuit jacks will probably
work as advertised for several years. I'd go for
a Switchcraft or similar product. Corrosion and
loss of contact pressure over time puts the panel
mounted radio at-risk for loss of connection to
the antenna.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Signal splitter |
At 09:07 PM 9/1/2011, you wrote:
>Thanks to all for your comments and suggestions.
>I'm flying a RV-8A and using one radio at a time would be fine -
>both radios also have a second freq monitor capability. I assumed
>there was some type of coax manual switch available, but I was
>unsure where to search.
>Has anyone heard of the Narco VP-16? Another guy on the list has
>one for sale but I have no experience with them. Would it be
>suitable to safely split the signal? I'd hate to risk damaging two
>high dollar radios.
I've attached a sketch for a modern incarnation
of the device I mentioned earlier today. It takes
4, surface mounted dpdt relays. The relays are wired
such that when neither PTT is active, the receivers
are both connected to the antenna through a modern
power splitter.
Energize either PTT and the opposite receiver is
disconnected, it's audio is quieted through a set
of relay contacts and the splitter is isolated from
the antenna.
The whole assembly can be put on an etched circuit
board about 2" x 2.5". Power, audio and PTT signals
are brought off through a 9 pin d-sub. The relays
are miniature DPDT devices mounted over a solid
ground plane to minimize effects to feed-line
integrity.
It's configured such that +14v power has to be
present on the board before EITHER radio can be
keyed. This prevents loss of power from allowing
a transmitter to be keyed without benefit of
protection by transferring the proper contacts.
Bob . . .
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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