---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/02/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:56 AM - E-Bus Circuit Protection (Buckley William) 2. 09:02 AM - Re: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 (Richard Girard) 3. 09:57 AM - Re: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 (David) 4. 12:38 PM - Re: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 (Bill Watson) 5. 01:51 PM - Re: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 (Ralph Finch) 6. 03:07 PM - Re: E-Bus Circuit Protection (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 03:18 PM - Re: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 (Richard Girard) 8. 04:17 PM - Re: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS) 9. 08:45 PM - Re: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 (Chuck Ryan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:39 AM PST US From: Buckley William Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Circuit Protection With an all electric panel (Cozy MkIV), my Essential Bus will pull ~22 amps with everthing on it running full blast. In real world ops with backup components powered off (ie Nav/Comm #2, etc.), it would be down to ~15 amps at night. Question 1: Is the B&C S8009 40A relay suitable to use for the alternate E-bus feed. Question 2: For circuit protection on the 10ga power feed from the Batt Bus to the E-Bus (via relay), can I splice into 2 of the 15amp fuse slots so as not to exceed the recommended load per slot or can I use a 14ga wire as a fuse-link coming off the main connection terminal of the Batt Bus fuse block? Thanks, William ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 From: Richard Girard RScott, Please, this isn't your crochet circle and we're not a bunch of hens waiting to oww and ahh over the latest sensation, or in this case, half century old sensation. I only read through enough to see that it was, a; poorly written by someone who knew nothing about airplanes, and b; had nothing at all to do with the aircraft's electrics. It does not belong here. Rick Girard On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, RScott wrote: > > http://www.trutv.com/library/**crime/notorious_murders/mass/** > jack_graham/index.html > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:53 AM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 A bit harsh, Richard. David Richard Girard wrote: > RScott, Please, this isn't your crochet circle and we're not a bunch > of hens waiting to oww and ahh over the latest sensation, or in this > case, half century old sensation. I only read through enough to see > that it was, a; poorly written by someone who knew nothing about > airplanes, and b; had nothing at all to do with the aircraft's > electrics. It does not belong here. > > Rick Girard > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, RScott > wrote: > > > > > http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/jack_graham/index.html > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:55 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 Well, poorly written seems fair, let's see.... mighty tremendous narrow, bumpy gently sturdy crystal blue gracefully accomplished steadily leisurely ... and that was paragraph one, whew! On 11/2/2011 12:56 PM, David wrote: > > A bit harsh, Richard. > > David > > > Richard Girard wrote: >> RScott, Please, this isn't your crochet circle and we're not a bunch >> of hens waiting to oww and ahh over the latest sensation, or in this >> case, half century old sensation. I only read through enough to see >> that it was, a; poorly written by someone who knew nothing about >> airplanes, and b; had nothing at all to do with the aircraft's >> electrics. It does not belong here. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, RScott > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/jack_graham/index.html >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:06 PM PST US From: Ralph Finch Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 More than a bit necessary though. RF On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM, David wrote: > > A bit harsh, Richard. > > David > > > Richard Girard wrote: > >> RScott, Please, this isn't your crochet circle and we're not a bunch of >> hens waiting to oww and ahh over the latest sensation, or in this case, >> half century old sensation. I only read through enough to see that it was, >> a; poorly written by someone who knew nothing about airplanes, and b; had >> nothing at all to do with the aircraft's electrics. It does not belong here. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, RScott > rscott@cascadeaccess.**com >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.trutv.com/library/**crime/notorious_murders/mass/** >> jack_graham/index.html >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:43 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Circuit Protection At 08:53 AM 11/2/2011, you wrote: > > >With an all electric panel (Cozy MkIV), my Essential Bus will pull >~22 amps with everthing on it running full blast. In real world ops >with backup components powered off (ie Nav/Comm #2, etc.), it would >be down to ~15 amps at night. Question 1: Is the B&C S8009 40A relay >suitable to use for the alternate E-bus feed. Question 2: For >circuit protection on the 10ga power feed from the Batt Bus to the >E-Bus (via relay), can I splice into 2 of the 15amp fuse slots so as >not to exceed the recommended load per slot or can I use a 14ga wire >as a fuse-link coming off the main connection terminal of the Batt >Bus fuse block? Sounds like your endurance bus has strayed from the original design goals. What all do you have attached to this bus? What size battery are you flying? Did you configure based on any particular Z-figure? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 From: Richard Girard Perhaps, David, but we all signed up to a set of rules when we joined Matronics. One of those is about maintaining focus on the purpose of the forum. There are plenty of groups with which to share that story. We're here because a very generous master has taken a lot of apprentices of various skill levels to learn about how to produce top notch electrical architectures for our aircraft. If that story had one scintilla of relevance to that end, I'd have held my peace. Rick PS And it really was some awful writing. I especially liked the part about the "mighty turbines". On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David wrote: > > A bit harsh, Richard. > > David > > > Richard Girard wrote: > >> RScott, Please, this isn't your crochet circle and we're not a bunch of >> hens waiting to oww and ahh over the latest sensation, or in this case, >> half century old sensation. I only read through enough to see that it was, >> a; poorly written by someone who knew nothing about airplanes, and b; had >> nothing at all to do with the aircraft's electrics. It does not belong here. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, RScott > rscott@cascadeaccess.**com >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.trutv.com/library/**crime/notorious_murders/mass/** >> jack_graham/index.html >> >> >> > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:56 PM PST US From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 Please, Let's let it go now!! Roger Perhaps, David, but we all signed up to a set of rules when we joined Matronics. One of those is about maintaining focus on the purpose of the forum. There are plenty of groups with which to share that story. We're here because a very generous master has taken a lot of apprentices of various skill levels to learn about how to produce top notch electrical architectures for our aircraft. If that story had one scintilla of relevance to that end, I'd have held my peace. Rick PS And it really was some awful writing. I especially liked the part about the "mighty turbines". On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David wrote: A bit harsh, Richard. David Richard Girard wrote: RScott, Please, this isn't your crochet circle and we're not a bunch of hens waiting to oww and ahh over the latest sensation, or in this case, half century old sensation. I only read through enough to see that it was, a; poorly written by someone who knew nothing about airplanes, and b; had nothing at all to do with the aircraft's electrics. It does not belong here. Rick Girard On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, RScott > wrote: > http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/jack_graham/ind ex. html om" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Interesting story--the downing of a DC-6B by sabotage, 1955 From: Chuck Ryan RScott, Thanks for sharing this story on sabotage of DC6 B - makes one wonder what inspection methods are used today for checked luggage that would preclude a repeat? Procedurally, we are protected by luggage being removed from plane if passenger under whose name it was checked doesn't show up at early check-in time - I had this come up on a recent flight - fortunately I did check in early enough (though some what late) for them to replace my checked luggage on plane. Luggage lost/miss placed on that sort of deal could have messed up my trip! Regards, Chuck Ryan On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM, David wrote: > > A bit harsh, Richard. > > David > > > Richard Girard wrote: > >> RScott, Please, this isn't your crochet circle and we're not a bunch of >> hens waiting to oww and ahh over the latest sensation, or in this case, >> half century old sensation. I only read through enough to see that it was, >> a; poorly written by someone who knew nothing about airplanes, and b; had >> nothing at all to do with the aircraft's electrics. It does not belong here. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, RScott > rscott@cascadeaccess.**com >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.trutv.com/library/**crime/notorious_murders/mass/** >> jack_graham/index.html >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.