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3. 01:20 AM - Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (DavidM)
4. 01:21 AM - Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (DavidM)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (checkn6)
6. 06:10 AM - Weak and Static on Transmission (Bill Bradburry)
7. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (bob noffs)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: Wire Bundle Wrapping Tape? (James Kilford)
9. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (David Lloyd)
10. 04:13 PM - Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (Neal George)
11. 04:43 PM - Re: Wire Bundle Wrapping Tape? (Noel Loveys)
12. 05:32 PM - Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (BobsV35B@aol.com)
13. 06:27 PM - Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting (Neal George)
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
I agree with Bob..........
I have done the exact same thing and created my own approach to my priva
te airport, 2WY3... Crafting a GPS procedure is quite simple and will ge
t me lined up with the precision of an ILS,,, maybe even better. IMHO.
do not archive.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inexpensive Runway lighting
olls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
At 11:42 AM 1/13/2012, you wrote:
>
>But reflective-only lights are zero help when you're trying to just
>FIND the airport at night! That is no fun at all.
There's where your GPS comes in. While I was
still flying a lot off of 1K1, I crafted a GPS
aided approach that always put me 1/2 mile off
the approach end of the runway on an aligned
heading. Had the runway lights been out or non-
existent, reflectors would have sufficed to
complete the approach and landing.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
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From: Daniel Hooper <enginerdy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inexpensive Runway lighting
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As a suggestion to your failure analysis, I think it would be a bad idea
to rely on home-grown runway lighting in a critical way -- which means
diverting to a lighted muni airport would always need to be an option an
yway.
Thoughts?.....
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
yes, LightSquared. Multiple tests prove that their 4G cell systems do
in fact render GPS unusable. One would think the FCC would stop them
out of hand but LS gave the obamanation several million dollars so now
he is also behind their financial success, which does not bode well for
us GPS users. Even the heavies (airliners) have trouble and they are
supposed to be "interference hardened." This is politics but it GREATLY
interferes with my safety.
David M.
Daniel Hooper wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Daniel Hooper<enginerdy@gmail.com>
>
> I think he's talking about the pending LightSquared issues -- they purchased
bandwidth that was reserved for satellite communication some time ago, but the
plans for using that spectrum was scrapped as impractical (by LightSquared),
so then they began pursuing using the band as land-based 4G network spectrum.
> That's all well and good, except that the band is adjacent to the GPS band, and
its power due to proximity tends to overwhelm the input circuitry of GPS receivers,
because they were never designed to be selective enough to filter out
such a thing.
>
> My personal feeling is that this will never actually see the light of day, regardless
of all the lobbying LS can muster.
>
> As a suggestion to your failure analysis, I think it would be a bad idea to rely
on home-grown runway lighting in a critical way -- which means diverting to
a lighted muni airport would always need to be an option anyway.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
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>> At 01:38 PM 1/13/2012, you wrote:
>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: DavidM<ainut@knology.net>
>>>
>>> And if GPS is out or a 4G cell tower is nearby???
>> Not sure what 4G has to do with it . . . are these
>> known GPS antagonists? I've never experienced a GPS
>> outage but it's been a few years. If your needing
>> really robust lighting on the subject field, perhaps
>> reflectors are not for you. I'm my experience here in
>> flyover country, they would have sufficed for every
>> night-time arrival I've ever made to my home field.
>>
>> One could craft some LED, solar powered REIL fixtures
>> too. This would get you oriented with the most rudimentary
>> of navigation devices. It doesn't take much light to be
>> seen from 5 miles away. Hence, not much energy needs to
>> be stored to keep a few LEDs flashing.
>>
>>
>> Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
I've experienced a GPS outage once, but fortunately I was only on a
motorcycle at the time.
David
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 01:38 PM 1/13/2012, you wrote:
>>
>> And if GPS is out or a 4G cell tower is nearby???
>
> Not sure what 4G has to do with it . . . are these
> known GPS antagonists? I've never experienced a GPS
> outage but it's been a few years. If your needing
> really robust lighting on the subject field, perhaps
> reflectors are not for you. I'm my experience here in
> flyover country, they would have sufficed for every
> night-time arrival I've ever made to my home field.
>
> One could craft some LED, solar powered REIL fixtures
> too. This would get you oriented with the most rudimentary
> of navigation devices. It doesn't take much light to be
> seen from 5 miles away. Hence, not much energy needs to
> be stored to keep a few LEDs flashing.
>
>
> Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
Gentlemen, thank you for all of your input and ideas.
Our little group of intrepid night flyers is now leaning towards the solar lights
with the addition of reflective tape on flexible poles. The field is seldom
used and although someone in trouble may look down and see a few twinkly lights
and find salvation it is not the intent. At one point we had considered getting
the PCL switching system, and have it done up to the highest standards but
for our little field is just seems too impractical so started looking for less
expensive home grown options.
We determined that we all know our way and could find it by landmarks (with a little
help from our GPS) even at night due to the proximity to a busy highway,
and an small but well lit business a mile from the end of the runway so the final
consensus is that the lighting would primarily be for an early evening straggler
that stayed out a little later than anticipated so LED solar would give
ample service, and for departing earlier in the morning than the suns desire
to get out of bed then reflectors would light the way while departing.
Thanks again for the input and ideas.
Chris
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Subject: | Weak and Static on Transmission |
I have a GNS430W radio and Advanced Aircraft Electronics high gain antenna
model 5T in my Lancair Legacy (fiberglass fuselage). The antenna is mounted
vertically behind the rear bulkhead on the right side of the fuselage.
Although I didn't need that much length to reach the antenna, I made the
coax the recommended 13 feet or so length. (right now I cant remember the
exact length recommended). This antenna is designed to be mounted inside
plastic airplanes and doesn't require a ground plane.
I get a "weak and lots of static but usable" reports from radio checks and
on occasion, while airborne, static gets so great that I can not hear
approach at all. I have had to make two NORDO landings at a Class C airport
that is located under an overhanging Class B airspace due to the receiving
static. The controllers are beginning to take exception to this and I need
to get this fixed! :>)
I have checked the SWR on the antenna and it was around 1.5 which I
understand to be fine.
Any ideas as to where I should begin my investigation on the source of this
static?
Bill B
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
fwiw, your idea sounds good. my wife enjoys all these solar lights
available and has them around her gardens. i think some variety would work
for you.
bob noffs
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:41 AM, checkn6 <checkn6@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen, thank you for all of your input and ideas.
>
> Our little group of intrepid night flyers is now leaning towards the sola
r
> lights with the addition of reflective tape on flexible poles. The field
is
> seldom used and although someone in trouble may look down and see a few
> twinkly lights and find salvation it is not the intent. At one point we h
ad
> considered getting the PCL switching system, and have it done up to the
> highest standards but for our little field is just seems too impractical
so
> started looking for less expensive home grown options.
>
> We determined that we all know our way and could find it by landmarks
> (with a little help from our GPS=92) even at night due to the proximity t
o a
> busy highway, and an small but well lit business a mile from the end of t
he
> runway so the final consensus is that the lighting would primarily be for
> an early evening straggler that stayed out a little later than anticipate
d
> so LED solar would give ample service, and for departing earlier in the
> morning than the suns desire to get out of bed then reflectors would ligh
t
> the way while departing.
>
> Thanks again for the input and ideas.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363983#363983
>
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Subject: | Re: Wire Bundle Wrapping Tape? |
This sounds a lot like rib-lacing cord. Is that an acceptable substitute?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/threads2.php
James
On 16 January 2012 05:22, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> At 09:39 PM 1/15/2012, you wrote:
>
> My preference is the wax cord but as with a lot of things it does take
> some practice to get to install it properly. It has other pluses over the
> nylon tie wraps You will never slice a hand open while rooting around in an
> engine bay that has coraseal and wax cord used. I am one of the ones who
> has received my fair share of slices on tie wraps.
>
>
> Here's a link to a tread on the topic a few years
> ago:
>
> * http://tinyurl.com/7a89njo*
>
> The "waxed cord" commonly found in military and domestic
> production aircraft is probably Mil-T-43435 as described
> below in the Aircraft Spruce Catalog
> [image: Emacs!]
>
> . . . and the Braden
> [image: Emacs!]
>
>
> **
>
> ** Bob . . .
>
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
I missed most of this thread...but, wanted to add a comment.
Those solar powered lights should work well for your specific
application.
However, they have a tendency for a short life span. Even the expensive
units. I suspect the typical NiCad cells in them go bad. And, bugs,
usually spiders can squeeze into a lot of the designs and their activity
kills the circuitry.
So. find units that are 100% sealed, use standard sized rechargeable
cells, maybe a better quality, etc. Buy spares and install them closer
in spacing than you originally guesstimated..... Make sure that whoever
is in charge of mowing (grass..?) is sober and had excellent vision.
D
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From: bob noffs
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting
fwiw, your idea sounds good. my wife enjoys all these solar lights
available and has them around her gardens. i think some variety would
work for you.
bob noffs
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:41 AM, checkn6 <checkn6@yahoo.com> wrote:
<checkn6@yahoo.com>
Gentlemen, thank you for all of your input and ideas.
Our little group of intrepid night flyers is now leaning towards the
solar lights with the addition of reflective tape on flexible poles. The
field is seldom used and although someone in trouble may look down and
see a few twinkly lights and find salvation it is not the intent. At one
point we had considered getting the PCL switching system, and have it
done up to the highest standards but for our little field is just seems
too impractical so started looking for less expensive home grown
options.
We determined that we all know our way and could find it by
landmarks (with a little help from our GPS=92) even at night due to the
proximity to a busy highway, and an small but well lit business a mile
from the end of the runway so the final consensus is that the lighting
would primarily be for an early evening straggler that stayed out a
little later than anticipated so LED solar would give ample service, and
for departing earlier in the morning than the suns desire to get out of
bed then reflectors would light the way while departing.
Thanks again for the input and ideas.
Chris
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Subject: | Inexpensive Runway lighting |
LED-based pavement markers from BrightPortal Resources were recently
installed at 18FD to supplement the existing pilot-controlled incandescents.
VERY impressive. The individual lights are stuck to concrete blocks plopped
in the dirt beside the existing light fixtures. Relatively inexpensive,
zero maintenance, no wires to string and appropriate colors for side and
end-markers are readily available.
Neal
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One could craft some LED, solar powered REIL fixtures
too. This would get you oriented with the most rudimentary
of navigation devices. It doesn't take much light to be
seen from 5 miles away. Hence, not much energy needs to
be stored to keep a few LEDs flashing.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Wire Bundle Wrapping Tape? |
Thanks Bob; I knew you would have the right link to a certified product.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: January 16, 2012 1:52 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Wire Bundle Wrapping Tape?
At 09:39 PM 1/15/2012, you wrote:
My preference is the wax cord but as with a lot of things it does take some
practice to get to install it properly. It has other pluses over the nylon
tie wraps You will never slice a hand open while rooting around in an engine
bay that has coraseal and wax cord used. I am one of the ones who has
received my fair share of slices on tie wraps.
Here's a link to a tread on the topic a few years
ago:
http://tinyurl.com/7a89njo
The "waxed cord" commonly found in military and domestic
production aircraft is probably Mil-T-43435 as described
below in the Aircraft Spruce Catalog
Emacs!
. . . and the Braden
Emacs!
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive Runway lighting |
Good Evening Neal,
Just wondering what you mean when you say the lights are stuck in a
concrete block near the existing lights.
A concrete block on the surface could be a rather dangerous item if it is
even partially above the ground. If the block were completely buried, I
think that would be alright.
Whatever supports the light, it should be frangible as determined by the
type aircraft involved.
I have read some big airport specifications where frangible was deemed to
mean frangible by a 36 inch wheel. I would think a Bonanza could get some
serious damage if it hit a concrete block on the surface.
36 inch diameter wheel on a heavy jet might be no problem at all.
Any comments?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 1/16/2012 6:14:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
n8zg@att.net writes:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal George" <n8zg@att.net>
LED-based pavement markers from BrightPortal Resources were recently
installed at 18FD to supplement the existing pilot-controlled
incandescents.
VERY impressive. The individual lights are stuck to concrete blocks
plopped
in the dirt beside the existing light fixtures. Relatively inexpensive,
zero maintenance, no wires to string and appropriate colors for side and
end-markers are readily available.
Neal
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Subject: | Inexpensive Runway lighting |
Good points Bob -
I wasn't involved in the install, but it appears that the LED fixtures are
bonded (some sort of glue/putty/epoxy/caulk) to the blocks. Standard block
is nominally 8" high x 10" wide x 8" thick, actually 7.5" x 9.5" x 7.5".
The blocks in this situation are half-thick standard concrete block, so
approximately 7.5" x 9.5" x 3.5". It also appears that the blocks were
inset slightly in an effort to get them close to level. The result is the
blocks are less than 3" proud of the ground, immediately adjacent to the
existing runway edge- and end-marker light fixtures, which stand knee high.
Low enough to not be a prop strike hazard, but probably not friendly to
wheel pants.
But if one strays into the lights, chances are good the lights and their
mounts are the least of one's troubles. To paraphrase the old
cartographers, "Here there be Dragons."
neal
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inexpensive Runway lighting
Good Evening Neal,
Just wondering what you mean when you say the lights are stuck in a concrete
block near the existing lights.
A concrete block on the surface could be a rather dangerous item if it is
even partially above the ground. If the block were completely buried, I
think that would be alright.
Whatever supports the light, it should be frangible as determined by the
type aircraft involved.
I have read some big airport specifications where frangible was deemed to
mean frangible by a 36 inch wheel. I would think a Bonanza could get some
serious damage if it hit a concrete block on the surface.
36 inch diameter wheel on a heavy jet might be no problem at all.
Any comments?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 1/16/2012 6:14:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
n8zg@att.net writes:
LED-based pavement markers from BrightPortal Resources were recently
installed at 18FD to supplement the existing pilot-controlled incandescents.
VERY impressive. The individual lights are stuck to concrete blocks plopped
in the dirt beside the existing light fixtures. Relatively inexpensive,
zero maintenance, no wires to string and appropriate colors for side and
end-markers are readily available.
Neal
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