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1. 05:48 AM - Re: Sign of the times (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
2. 06:25 AM - Re: Sign of the times (Charlie England)
3. 06:41 AM - Re: Sign of the times (Robert Borger)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: Sign of the times (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Sign of the times (John Grosse)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: Sign of the times (Lynn Riggs)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Sign of the times (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Sign of the times (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 08:24 AM - Re: Sign of the times (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Fuses instead of breakers (Jeff Page)
11. 08:54 AM - Shop Note: Soldering iron tip cleaner (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 09:00 AM - Re: Sign of the times ()
13. 09:06 AM - Interesting data point (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 11:49 AM - Re: Sign of the times (James Kilford)
15. 08:39 PM - Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. (bobbarrow)
16. 09:48 PM - Re: Sign of the times (Speedy11@aol.com)
17. 09:57 PM - Re: Sign of the times (mmayfield)
18. 10:21 PM - ot: Re: Sign of the times (David)
19. 10:24 PM - Re: Sign of the times (David)
20. 10:24 PM - Re: Re: Sign of the times (rayj)
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| Subject: | Sign of the times |
Sorry for the inconveniences folks.
Bob . . .
I actually prefer PayPal. It offers very easy convenient on
line ordering and payment plus it offers another layer of protection for
your credit card account.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
On 01/28/2012 07:58 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> Our credit card processing company of some 15 years
> has been slowing driving up the fixed fees. I've
> just received a letter informing me of my mandatory
> enrollment in a "security validation program" for
> yet another fixed fee. My gross sales simply won't
> support such burdens.
>
> The fixed fees are but part of the $risk$. Their
> mandated 'service' might well find that my 'network'
> (one computer sitting behind two firewalls) is
> vulnerable and needs more $upgrading$ as well.
>
> I'm sorry to have to announce that effective
> immediately, the AEC website catalog orders
> will have to be paid through PayPal.
>
> I've been thinking about getting a PayPal
> friendly shopping cart program . . . the
> problem is the assumption that everything
> in the catalog is in stock for shipment now
> . . . or that I'm not out of town. I don't
> want to ding folks for cash until their
> order is ready to ship. Easy with the old
> system. But for the time being, we'll issue PP
> invoices as the orders come together.
>
> All CC orders pending will be shipped by
> the end of this month under the old system.
> All remittance for new orders will have to
> flow through PayPal.
>
> Sorry for the inconveniences folks.
>
>
> Bob . . .
I feel your pain. For me, PayPal is actually much easier to use, but the
transaction fees are pretty extreme for the seller.
I'm fired up about all the various incarnations of 'open source', from
Linux operating systems to no-charge software to groups like this, which
offer minimal cost assistance with the confidence someone will be
helping us in the future.
I saw this a few months ago.
http://drupal.org/project/dwolla
It's apparently a pretty small company at this point, but it's gotten
coverage from some major media outlets. This movement to provide needed
services at a truly fair cost has the potential to change our culture.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
Bob,
Too bad, but I understand. I have a Pay-Pal account which I actually use once
in a while. Not an inconvenience, if I can just remember the password
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 28, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
> All remittance for new orders will have to
> flow through PayPal.
>
> Sorry for the inconveniences folks.
>
>
> Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
At 12:14 AM 1/29/2012, you wrote:
>
>That part is true, however, PayPal's fees are usurious.
Except that it is proportional to cash flow. The
CC processing company was hitting me for by
the month fees whether I moved any funds or
not.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
I've used PayPal since it started up and was actually free. It's
certainly not that anymore. Generally it works well for the buyer, at
least. One caution though: if you ever have a dispute over anything
you're pretty much on your own. I had a problem with a seller and had a
terrible time even getting through to a human being in customer service
and got absolutely no help from PayPal to resolve my problem. I would
suggest that you set up a special bank account to link to your PayPal
account in a different bank than your primary accounts so that they
can't freeze all your accounts if there's a dispute. If you google
"paypal sucks" you'll find a website that details some of the cautions
in using the service. I don't mean to scare you off, but just beware!
John Grosse
PS: I don't know if your credit card problem is with your bank or what,
but I recently switched from a big bank to a credit union and am SO
happy. Better rates, better service, real people when you call, and no
BS. Everyone I know who has switched has had a similar experience.
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| Subject: | Sign of the times |
I run a vacation rental for two vacation home and I found PayPal to be more
reasonable than most other credit card processing companies.
Lynn Riggs
riggs_la@yahoo.com
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p352107
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p293990
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sign of the times
<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
At 12:14 AM 1/29/2012, you wrote:
>
>That part is true, however, PayPal's fees are usurious.
Except that it is proportional to cash flow. The
CC processing company was hitting me for by
the month fees whether I moved any funds or
not.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
At 08:31 AM 1/29/2012, you wrote:
>
>Bob,
>
>Too bad, but I understand. I have a Pay-Pal
>account which I actually use once in a
>while. Not an inconvenience, if I can just remember the password
I've had a PP account for years. Since I live out
in the hinterlands, EVERYTHING is 100 miles away.
When a project comes to a crawl (or dead in the water)
for lack of some item, the first place I look is eBay.
Probably 80% of the time I can find what I need there
even if it's a week or more away . . . just move on
to another project until the stuff arrives.
PP is exceedingly buyer friendly. I've even considered
going to an eBay Store format as opposed to my website
catalog page, but then I pay listing fees on top of
seller fees. Of course those can be compensate for
in my pricing but for now, I'd rather keep everything
humming on Matt's servers. Perhaps not practical from
a business sense but it preserves the fraternity.
There's something to be said for doing business with
the folks you KNOW.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
>
>I saw this a few months ago.
><http://drupal.org/project/dwolla>http://drupal.org/project/dwolla
>
>It's apparently a pretty small company at this point, but it's
>gotten coverage from some major media outlets. This movement to
>provide needed services at a truly fair cost has the potential to
>change our culture.
Thanks for the heads-up! I'll watch these
guys. What we're witnessing is the effect of
entrepreneur's creativity when some "need" or
competitive opportunity is perceived. I think
there are several PayPal-like activities operating
now.
Just as entrepreneur-driven experimental aviation
has offered an alternative to TC aircraft, folks
with Internet, computers, and big ideas will
at least make things more convenient and economical
for our grandkids!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
At 09:38 AM 1/29/2012, you wrote:
If you google "paypal sucks" you'll find a website that details some
of the cautions in using the service. I don't mean to scare you off,
but just beware!
This is offset by buying on eBay. Their buyer protection
service (applies only to purchases on eBay) is pretty
effective. Had a dispute with a seller a couple of years
ago that eBay resolved.
Given the underlying foundation of honorable behavior
amongst our fellow aviators, I don't anticipate any
risks. If anyone wants their money back from me . . .
all they gotta do is say so.
John Grosse
PS: I don't know if your credit card problem is with your bank or what
The problem is with the company that processes
credit card sales for business and transfers
money to the bank. They're 'like' PayPal but
apparently don't have the security sophistication
offered by PayPal (or price structures friendly
to small volume merchants).
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses instead of breakers |
Bob,
Thank you ever so much for your analysis, and your time that you
obviously took to teach it. I was looking at that graph, thinking it
appeared they were providing lots of information, yet it seemed
insufficient.
Now that you have taught me how easy it is to extend the lines, I am
disappointed I didn't think of that myself, but now I can use that
technique to great benefit in the future.
Also very important, is that I can wire my aircraft, _knowing_ that
the installation is the best possible compromise of all the factors,
rather than blindly following the installation instructions of a
company who's expertise is building floats, rather than electrical
design.
In this case, your analysis confirms their installation instructions
are excellent, providing confidence that they offer a solid product.
Thanks !!
Jeff Page
Dream Aircraft Tundra #10
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| Subject: | Shop Note: Soldering iron tip cleaner |
There have been many tools offered for the purpose
of keeping your soldering iron tip "shinny" during
your labors at the workbench. The one I've used most
over the years is a CELLULOSE, not plastic sponge
damp with water. You can wipe the tip on this surface
and get corrosion and flux-gunk off the tip along
with most of the excess solder.
Over the years I've tried a couple of tip cleaners
that looked like that Chore Boy dish scrubber you
find at the grocery store. The made-for-workbench
tip cleaner came with a cup stuffed with the cleaning
medium that you could poke the tip into before approaching
a new joining. The things were pretty expensive compared
to the wet sponge and just didn't catch on with
me.
A couple days ago, I spotted some stainless steel
clones of the aforementioned dish scrubber in a
Dollar General store. Two of the biscuit-sized
critters for $1. Hmmmmm . . .
In the days since, I've found it handy to stuff
a wad of this material into the center of a spool
of solder. This keeps the tip cleaner handy when you're
off-bench. My Metcal iron-rest has a cavity at the
rear which seemed to beg for a stuffing of "stainless
steel flat-wire". I'm pleased to report that the mis-
application of this product has proven satisfactory
and preferable to the wet-sponge. You don't need to
keep a water bottle handy. You can have a cleaner built
into every spool of solder. You can build your own
clone of the $high$ soldering accessory for
under a buck. The tool seems to offer a much longer
service life than a sponge and it does a better
job.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Sign of the times |
Re. paypal, just be aware that they can link and mix accounting for items purchased
and sold (creates an accounting nightmare, if one uses paypal both for business
and personal) and getting your money can be sometimes much less smooth
than a credit card merchant account or check by phone/fax.
If one accepts the possibility for additional burden and risks, nothing wrong with
using paypal. Just be informed.
Speaking from personal experience, I try to limit paypal transactions (both purchases
and sales) and would like to entirely eliminate them.
Just my 0.02
Rumen
do not archive
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| Subject: | Interesting data point |
I've built a court-room demonstrator for an
upcoming trial wherein it was useful to show
the relative speed with which fuses and breakers
react to the same level of stress.
I elected to try a 6v alkaline lantern battery
to power the handy-dandy fuse-blower and breaker-
popper but had never investigated the internal
impedance of these devices. I can report that
the hard-fault current of these devices is on
the order of 20 amps.
This means that the internal impedance of a new
battery is approximately 6/20 = 300 milliohms.
So if one sets a wasted energy limit of 10% for
loading this battery, you will want your load
to be no greater than 9 x 300 = 2.7 ohms. This
translates into a 2.2 amp load.
I think most lantern bulbs are on the order of
.5 amps for 3 watts. This suggests a usage
efficiency on a new battery of about 97%.
Not bad. I'll cap-check one of those batteries
one day and report the findings.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
Bob,
I accepted thousands of PayPal transactions on a web site for several years
without a single problem. Sure, you lose a few percent, but then the same
holds true for credit cards. Worked a treat, and I would recommend it
without hesitation. As it happens, it was a dedicated PayPal business
account.
In its favour, people know the PayPal name, which means a lot these days.
Sure, the odd person here and there preferred to send a cheque or do a
bank transfer, and a couple of people refused point-blank to use PP, but
it's so small a number as to be insignificant.
FWIW.
James
do not archive
On 29 January 2012 16:57, <rd2@dejazzd.com> wrote:
>
> Re. paypal, just be aware that they can link and mix accounting for items
> purchased and sold (creates an accounting nightmare, if one uses paypal
> both for business and personal) and getting your money can be sometimes
> much less smooth than a credit card merchant account or check by phone/fax.
>
> If one accepts the possibility for additional burden and risks, nothing
> wrong with using paypal. Just be informed.
>
> Speaking from personal experience, I try to limit paypal transactions
> (both purchases and sales) and would like to entirely eliminate them.
> Just my 0.02
> Rumen
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. |
I have a Z14 architecture (dual independent busses). On one bus I have a B&C 20A
alternator (LR3 external regulator) and an 8 AH Odyssey 310 battery. On the
other bus I have a B&C 40A alternator (LR3 external regulator) and a 17 AH Odyssey
680 battery.
Between the two busses I have a Crossfeed Contactor.
OK, so if one of my alternators malfunctions I can cut off its field supply and
kill it. Then I can switch on my Crossfeed Contactor and all should be well.
But maybe not.
Is it possible that because I would then have two batteries of different capacity/resistance
on line that the smaller battery might get fried over time. If so,
would it make sense in those circumstances to switch off the master contactor
for the smaller battery to protect the battery.
Regards Bob Barrow
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
Personally I despise Paypal and I refuse to use their service. I've had
very poor service from them and their fees are too high.
I understand the problem with CC fees and I'm glad to see you are being
proactive to find another means to sell your products. But, some of us will
want to pay by check rather than enrich Paypal.
Stan Sutterfield
Port Orange, FL
In a message dated 1/29/2012 3:03:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com writes:
I actually prefer PayPal as a means of sending and receiving
payments, and I agree with the PayPal objectives of providing an
unburdened means
for conducting worldwide commerce. I'm sure most participants on this
forum
will find PayPal a superior service.
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
Not trying to be a "glass half empty" guy here, but just a realist.
You can't escape human greed wherever you turn. Even new startups that promise
this almost philanthropic view of better value for the customer often gradually
slide into the "hey we can make heaps more money out of this if we tie them
into this contract and....(insert means of screwing customer here)"'. That's the
double-edge sword of the free market coupled with our human nature.
I don't mind PayPal, however the comments above regarding disputes with the seller
are quite true. You're on your own (as I found out). The major cards (M/C,
Visa etc) are much better for that in my experience, and if I don't know the
seller, I won't touch PayPal.
--------
Mike
Your political opinions are noted. And ignored.
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
Back when I did credit cards through Novus, I paid 0.4 to 1.4% per
transaction (never went over .65) and $30, then $40 month minimum. If I
had enough flow, then the $30/40 was taken care of. Those were the only
fees after initial setup and equipment purchase. Wonder if they're
still in business?
David
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 12:14 AM 1/29/2012, you wrote:
>>
>> That part is true, however, PayPal's fees are usurious.
>
> Except that it is proportional to cash flow. The
> CC processing company was hitting me for by
> the month fees whether I moved any funds or
> not.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
--
Tell the truth. Be honest. Be responsible to and for yourself.
I liked America when it was free and it's people were responsible and had morals.
Every gram of cocaine you buy from elsewhere contributes to an innocent being murdered
in Central and South America. Grow your own or Stop taking it.
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
Aren't PayPal and Ebay the same company?
David M.
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 09:38 AM 1/29/2012, you wrote:
> <grosseair@comcast.net>
>
> If you google "paypal sucks" you'll find a website that details some
> of the cautions in using the service. I don't mean to scare you off,
> but just beware!
>
> This is offset by buying on eBay. Their buyer protection
> service (applies only to purchases on eBay) is pretty
> effective. Had a dispute with a seller a couple of years
> ago that eBay resolved.
>
> Given the underlying foundation of honorable behavior
> amongst our fellow aviators, I don't anticipate any
> risks. If anyone wants their money back from me . . .
> all they gotta do is say so.
>
> John Grosse
>
> PS: I don't know if your credit card problem is with your bank or what
>
> The problem is with the company that processes
> credit card sales for business and transfers
> money to the bank. They're 'like' PayPal but
> apparently don't have the security sophistication
> offered by PayPal (or price structures friendly
> to small volume merchants).
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
--
Tell the truth. Be honest. Be responsible to and for yourself.
I liked America when it was free and it's people were responsible and had morals.
Every gram of cocaine you buy from elsewhere contributes to an innocent being murdered
in Central and South America. Grow your own or Stop taking it.
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| Subject: | Re: Sign of the times |
I'll second your realism.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 01/29/2012 11:52 PM, mmayfield wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "mmayfield"<mmayfield@ozemail.com.au>
>
> Not trying to be a "glass half empty" guy here, but just a realist.
>
> You can't escape human greed wherever you turn. Even new startups that promise
this almost philanthropic view of better value for the customer often gradually
slide into the "hey we can make heaps more money out of this if we tie them
into this contract and....(insert means of screwing customer here)"'. That's
the double-edge sword of the free market coupled with our human nature.
>
> I don't mind PayPal, however the comments above regarding disputes with the seller
are quite true. You're on your own (as I found out). The major cards (M/C,
Visa etc) are much better for that in my experience, and if I don't know the
seller, I won't touch PayPal.
>
> --------
> Mike
>
> Your political opinions are noted. And ignored.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365190#365190
>
>
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