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1. 04:42 AM - Re: PayPal (Bill Schertz)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna (jerrytex)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
5. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Jason Beaver)
9. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Jason Beaver)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Tim Andres)
12. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Tim Perry)
13. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads ()
14. 03:43 PM - Right-angle adapter (Dave Saylor)
15. 05:10 PM - Re: Right-angle adapter (Charlie England)
16. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
17. 05:59 PM - Re: Right-angle adapter (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
18. 06:11 PM - Re: Right-angle adapter (Dave Saylor)
19. 11:11 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:20 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna |
Thanks Bob for the info.
I checked Radio Shack and found this CB mount.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102429
It looks like the one in your DIY article. If my thinking is correct, I could use
this mount and this antenna:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102428
And cut it down to the 22" that you mention in the article, mount it with a ground
plane to the belly of the plane and bend the top 2/3's back for clearance.
What do you think?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365374#365374
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
At 10:57 PM 1/31/2012, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT
>thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a
>Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box
>and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of
>inaccuracy in the temperature reading.
I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded
(electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents
flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly
compliment return currents flowing in the shield.
How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All
read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated
from engine ground or do they both electrically and
thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the
alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning
EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator
with the largest possibible load.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
>
>Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT
>thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a
>Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box
>and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of
>inaccuracy in the temperature reading.
I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded
(electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents
flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly
compliment return currents flowing in the shield.
How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All
read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated
from engine ground or do they both electrically and
thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the
alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning
EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator
with the largest possibible load.
Bob . . .
I believe you are combining 2 questions from different
listers. One extended thermocouple wires and has a high reading and the
other is questioning if running thermocouple next to ignition wires causes
incorrect readings.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. |
At 01:28 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
Bob, thank you for your expert advice.
My sole battery bus (which runs my one Plasma 11 electronic
ignition...magneto on other side) sources its power from the smaller
battery ie. it's on the aux bus. I set things up this way so that the
voltage drop on the main bus during starting would not affect the
electronic igniton and perhaps cause a damaging engine backfire
(which has been known to happen).
Sure. I presume then that your cross-feed is OPEN during
starting which is good. The only time cross-feed can/should
be closed for starting is IF BOTH batteries are sized for
engine cranking duties.
You seem to be suggesting that it is possible that the small 8AH
battery could be overheated during normal operations by the 20A B&C
alternator if the battery is heavily discharged. Is that correct. In
normal cruise operations I am only drawing about 5 amps on the aux bus.
The only time any battery TAKES ON a significant charge
is when it is connected to a constant voltage bus in a badly
discharged state, If you read the manufacturer's data
on ANY of our favorite batteries, their RECOMMENDED recharge
rates is pretty pedestrian. If you check out the data sheet
on this 32AH beast from Panasonic, they RECOMMEND a cyclic
recharge rate of only 13 amps.
We KNOW that after a hard start on an engine, the alternator
will stuff electrons back into the battery with gusto.
99.9% of all system integrators putting batteries onto
vehicular DC power systems don't give that recommended
recharge rate a second thought. Too much trouble for the
purpose of offsetting (1) the propensity of some users to
badly discharge a battery and then jump-start the vehicle
or (2) a small but measurable increase in battery service
life to be secured by pampering the battery.
I guess my concern is that if the small battery overheats it could
fail internally and therefore I would lose my electronic
ignition. Am I over thinking this.
You are understandably worrying about a lot of anecdotal
information. Info perhaps stirred together with hangar-tales,
ramp-rumors and dark-n-stormy-night stories without
benefit of the simple-ideas that go into understanding
the nature of these critters.
An 8 a.h. battery is connected to a 100A alternator
is of little significance if the battery is never
badly discharged when the connection is made. Even
if partially discharged, the recharge interval (while
grossly exceeding the factory recommended pamper-my-
product recharge rate) is short and has little effect
on the battery's service life.
At the same time, know that guys who fly the $high$
G.A. aircraft are advised never to recharge a badly
discharged battery in the airplane. Remove for proper
recharge and if the battery has been flat for long,
a cap check too.
This admonition gives lip service to (1) the elevated
potential for hazard by jump-starting and airplane and
then turning a pair of 400A generators loose on the
relatively fragile 44 A.H. battery (30 minute rate
for FAA compliance . . . about 2x that value for
the 20 hour rate given to batteries we buy).
The short answer is that your choice of Z-14 and
the relatively small battery on the aux side is
probably overkill but in no way will it present
an increase in operating risk as long as you strive
to be confident of the state of charge of both batteries
before you close the masters and hit the starter button.
If you do suffer an alternator failure and comfortable
return to the earth requires a heavy discharge of the
ship's batteries, spend as much time thinking about
bringing the batteries up to normal, flight-ready
condition as you spend on fixing the crapped out
alternator.
Finally, it is difficult to start a battery-fire by
injudicious recharge at normal system voltages.
The SLVA battery tests for putting them into vehicles
usually includes a 16v Abusive Charge Test wherein
the battery is EXPECTED to get hot, vent some gasses,
maybe puff up a little and die a graceful death without
becoming the central concern of an expanded hazard.
If you have any reason to believe that either battery
is seriously discharged, some investigation of the reason
combined with a well considered recharge protocol is more
prudent than cranking on ground power, flipping all the
switches ON and launching into the blue.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna |
At 07:53 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
Thanks Bob for the info.
I checked Radio Shack and found this CB mount.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102429
It looks like the one in your DIY article. If my thinking is correct,
I could use this mount and this antenna:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102428
And cut it down to the 22" that you mention in the article, mount it
with a ground plane to the belly of the plane and bend the top 2/3's
back for clearance.
What do you think?
I think you have a useful command of the simple
ideas behind a solution of your antenna problem.
You're cleared for 'take-off'.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. |
I wrote:
If you check out the data sheet on this 32AH beast
from Panasonic, they RECOMMEND a cyclic recharge
rate of only 13 amps.
. . . and then forgot to paste the link in.
http://aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Batteries/Panasonic/LC-LA1233P.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor was just speculating
that this could be a source of inaccurate readings.
Thanks,
Jason
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:04 AM, "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT
>> thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a
>> Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box
>> and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of
>> inaccuracy in the temperature reading.
>
> I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded
> (electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents
> flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly
> compliment return currents flowing in the shield.
>
> How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All
> read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated
> from engine ground or do they both electrically and
> thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the
> alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning
> EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator
> with the largest possibible load.
>
>
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> I believe you are combining 2 questions from different
> listers. One extended thermocouple wires and has a high reading and the
> other is questioning if running thermocouple next to ignition wires causes
> incorrect readings.
>
> Roger
> <winmail.dat>
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor was just speculating
that this could be a source of inaccurate readings.
Thanks,
Jason
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:04 AM, "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT
>> thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a
>> Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box
>> and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of
>> inaccuracy in the temperature reading.
>
> I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded
> (electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents
> flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly
> compliment return currents flowing in the shield.
>
> How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All
> read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated
> from engine ground or do they both electrically and
> thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the
> alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning
> EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator
> with the largest possibible load.
>
>
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> I believe you are combining 2 questions from different
> listers. One extended thermocouple wires and has a high reading and the
> other is questioning if running thermocouple next to ignition wires causes
> incorrect readings.
>
> Roger
> <winmail.dat>
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
At 10:25 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
>
>I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor
>was just speculating that this could be a source of inaccurate readings.
Okay, thanks for getting me back on track! Don't
worry about your wire routing.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
On 2/1/2012 8:25 AM, Jason Beaver wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jason Beaver<jason@jasonbeaver.com>
>
> I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor was just
speculating that this could be a source of inaccurate readings.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
Even if its off so what? You don't really care what the temps are, you
want to know the peak and then turn to your own set of beliefs re: LOP
or ROP operations.
You will be the one to drill the hole in your exhaust and where you put
it makes a tremendous difference in the actual temp.
CHTs different story of course.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
If it a jpi, I have seen an improper ground cause all to read high. Make sure
your instrument is grounded to the engine and not a ground bus inside.
Tim Perry
On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:33 PM, "Dennis Jones" <djones@northboone.net> wrote:
>
> Both CHT and EGT. They are thermocouple wire. I used the exact same wire as the
equipment came with. I silver soldered the new lead extensions as shown by
Bob. I do have a multimeter that will test thermocouple wire however I have not
used that feature as of yet. The one test I have not attempted is the check
of the indication without the engine running. My studies show that they should
indicate ambient temperature.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365354#365354
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
I'll second that. On the Dynon an improper ground on 1 device/sensor can/will impact
the reading on another. I used to have an old Cadillac which when you moved
the electric seat the high beams flashed. They called it a feature.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Perry
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermocouple leads
If it a jpi, I have seen an improper ground cause all to read high. Make sure
your instrument is grounded to the engine and not a ground bus inside.
Tim Perry
On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:33 PM, "Dennis Jones" <djones@northboone.net> wrote:
>
> Both CHT and EGT. They are thermocouple wire. I used the exact same wire as the
equipment came with. I silver soldered the new lead extensions as shown by
Bob. I do have a multimeter that will test thermocouple wire however I have not
used that feature as of yet. The one test I have not attempted is the check
of the indication without the engine running. My studies show that they should
indicate ambient temperature.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365354#365354
>
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| Subject: | Right-angle adapter |
Is it any less efficient for RF to use a right-angle adapter with a
straight BNC on the end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to right-angle
connector crimped to the cable? An adapter plus straight connector is
about half the cost of a right-angle crimp connector.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Right-angle adapter |
On 02/01/2012 05:29 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> Is it any less efficient for RF to use a right-angle adapter with a
> straight BNC on the end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to right-angle
> connector crimped to the cable? An adapter plus straight connector is
> about half the cost of a right-angle crimp connector.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
Short answer: it's less efficient.
Less Short answer: You'll never be able to tell the difference without
multi-kilobuck test gear.
I know what I'd do.
:-)
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Thermocouple leads |
At 01:20 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
>
>I'll second that. On the Dynon an improper ground on 1 device/sensor
>can/will impact the reading on another. I used to have an old
>Cadillac which when you moved the electric seat the high beams
>flashed. They called it a feature.
>
>Glenn
Kudos Tim and Glenn. If the thermocouples are physically
welded to the bottoms of their thermowells . . . and they
often are . . . then what ever voltage difference that
exists between the crankcase and the instrument's ground
will ride on top of the thermocouple signals as a common
mode voltage.
All of thermocouple conditioning chips I've worked with
for the last 20 years have a considerable tolerance to
DC common mode interference but if the interference has
alternator ripple on it, it might be another matter. Hence
the questions about effects of alternator ON versus OFF.
It would also be a good experiment to run a temporary
instrument ground to the crankcase just to see if it
makes any difference.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Right-angle adapter |
At 05:29 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote:
>Is it any less efficient for RF to use a
>right-angle adapter with a straight BNC on the
>end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to
>right-angle connector crimped to the cable?=C2 An
>adapter plus straight connector is about half
>the cost of a right-angle crimp connector.
Either technique is fine. In fact, I published
the po' boy's rt-angle bnc cable male ploy
here a few years ago:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/BNC_Rt_Angle/BNC_Rt_Angle.html
but then I found an economical source for
one piece right angle connectors:
http://tinyurl.com/76jdnua
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Right-angle adapter |
Hmm...does trying to transmit 20 or 30 miles count as test gear? I think I
have the multi-kilobuck part covered ;-) Seriously, if it doesn't make any
noticeable difference for voice quality in and out, I know what to do too.
Thanks!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> On 02/01/2012 05:29 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>
>> Is it any less efficient for RF to use a right-angle adapter with a
>> straight BNC on the end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to right-angle
>> connector crimped to the cable? An adapter plus straight connector is
>> about half the cost of a right-angle crimp connector.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
> Short answer: it's less efficient.
>
> Less Short answer: You'll never be able to tell the difference without
> multi-kilobuck test gear.
>
> I know what I'd do.
>
> :-)
>
> Charlie
>
>
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bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
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sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
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30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
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unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
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And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
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you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
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minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
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enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
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Email Distribution of the List, however.
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for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
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- Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
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AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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