AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/01/12


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:42 AM - Re: PayPal (Bill Schertz)
     2. 05:57 AM - Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna (jerrytex)
     3. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     4. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
     5. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     6. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     7. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     8. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Jason Beaver)
     9. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Jason Beaver)
    10. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    11. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Tim Andres)
    12. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Tim Perry)
    13. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads ()
    14. 03:43 PM - Right-angle adapter (Dave Saylor)
    15. 05:10 PM - Re: Right-angle adapter (Charlie England)
    16. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Thermocouple leads (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    17. 05:59 PM - Re: Right-angle adapter (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    18. 06:11 PM - Re: Right-angle adapter (Dave Saylor)
    19. 11:11 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    20. 11:20 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:42:56 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Schertz" <wschertz@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: PayPal
    There is no doubt that this is phishing. If you hover the pointer over the cancel link, you can see where it is going. DO NOT click =93 it is not associated with PayPal Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase one testing Completed From: Jeff Luckey Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Paypal This is much worse than SPAM! It is a phishing attack, just as the original poster observed. It is very dangerous! And is some email clients (like Outlook), even a seemingly safe operation like forwarding an email like this can be dangerous! The safest thing is to not click on anything in the email and is just delete it. (then empty your recycle bin) Jeff Luckey (IT Consultant) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- looks like SPAM send it to the S[AM file ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- This charge will appear on your credit card statement as payment to PAYPAL *KASPERSKYINC Description Unit price Qty Amount Kaspersky Anti-Virus 2012 60.00 USD 1 60.00 USD Shipping and handling 0.00 USD Insurance - optional 0.00 USD Tax 0.00 USD Total 60.00 USD ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Do you confirm this payment? If this payment was not made by you please immediately take the following steps: * Login to your account by clicking on the link below : * Provide requested information to ensure you are the owner of the account * After you did the previous steps the order will be cancelled. * We will refund your money to you and the payment will deleted from transactions history. CANCEL TRANSACTION! Please do not reply to this email because we are not monitoring this inbox. PayPal Email ID PP513 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Luckey Direct Connection Systems www.DCSIT.com 949-645-8832


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    Time: 05:57:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna
    From: "jerrytex" <jery230@tconline.net>
    Thanks Bob for the info. I checked Radio Shack and found this CB mount. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102429 It looks like the one in your DIY article. If my thinking is correct, I could use this mount and this antenna: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102428 And cut it down to the 22" that you mention in the article, mount it with a ground plane to the belly of the plane and bend the top 2/3's back for clearance. What do you think? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365374#365374


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    Time: 06:27:20 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    At 10:57 PM 1/31/2012, you wrote: > >Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT >thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a >Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box >and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of >inaccuracy in the temperature reading. I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded (electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly compliment return currents flowing in the shield. How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated from engine ground or do they both electrically and thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator with the largest possibible load. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:08:18 AM PST US
    From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    > >Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT >thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a >Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box >and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of >inaccuracy in the temperature reading. I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded (electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly compliment return currents flowing in the shield. How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated from engine ground or do they both electrically and thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator with the largest possibible load. Bob . . . I believe you are combining 2 questions from different listers. One extended thermocouple wires and has a high reading and the other is questioning if running thermocouple next to ignition wires causes incorrect readings. Roger


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    Time: 07:09:13 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery.
    At 01:28 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote: Bob, thank you for your expert advice. My sole battery bus (which runs my one Plasma 11 electronic ignition...magneto on other side) sources its power from the smaller battery ie. it's on the aux bus. I set things up this way so that the voltage drop on the main bus during starting would not affect the electronic igniton and perhaps cause a damaging engine backfire (which has been known to happen). Sure. I presume then that your cross-feed is OPEN during starting which is good. The only time cross-feed can/should be closed for starting is IF BOTH batteries are sized for engine cranking duties. You seem to be suggesting that it is possible that the small 8AH battery could be overheated during normal operations by the 20A B&C alternator if the battery is heavily discharged. Is that correct. In normal cruise operations I am only drawing about 5 amps on the aux bus. The only time any battery TAKES ON a significant charge is when it is connected to a constant voltage bus in a badly discharged state, If you read the manufacturer's data on ANY of our favorite batteries, their RECOMMENDED recharge rates is pretty pedestrian. If you check out the data sheet on this 32AH beast from Panasonic, they RECOMMEND a cyclic recharge rate of only 13 amps. We KNOW that after a hard start on an engine, the alternator will stuff electrons back into the battery with gusto. 99.9% of all system integrators putting batteries onto vehicular DC power systems don't give that recommended recharge rate a second thought. Too much trouble for the purpose of offsetting (1) the propensity of some users to badly discharge a battery and then jump-start the vehicle or (2) a small but measurable increase in battery service life to be secured by pampering the battery. I guess my concern is that if the small battery overheats it could fail internally and therefore I would lose my electronic ignition. Am I over thinking this. You are understandably worrying about a lot of anecdotal information. Info perhaps stirred together with hangar-tales, ramp-rumors and dark-n-stormy-night stories without benefit of the simple-ideas that go into understanding the nature of these critters. An 8 a.h. battery is connected to a 100A alternator is of little significance if the battery is never badly discharged when the connection is made. Even if partially discharged, the recharge interval (while grossly exceeding the factory recommended pamper-my- product recharge rate) is short and has little effect on the battery's service life. At the same time, know that guys who fly the $high$ G.A. aircraft are advised never to recharge a badly discharged battery in the airplane. Remove for proper recharge and if the battery has been flat for long, a cap check too. This admonition gives lip service to (1) the elevated potential for hazard by jump-starting and airplane and then turning a pair of 400A generators loose on the relatively fragile 44 A.H. battery (30 minute rate for FAA compliance . . . about 2x that value for the 20 hour rate given to batteries we buy). The short answer is that your choice of Z-14 and the relatively small battery on the aux side is probably overkill but in no way will it present an increase in operating risk as long as you strive to be confident of the state of charge of both batteries before you close the masters and hit the starter button. If you do suffer an alternator failure and comfortable return to the earth requires a heavy discharge of the ship's batteries, spend as much time thinking about bringing the batteries up to normal, flight-ready condition as you spend on fixing the crapped out alternator. Finally, it is difficult to start a battery-fire by injudicious recharge at normal system voltages. The SLVA battery tests for putting them into vehicles usually includes a 16v Abusive Charge Test wherein the battery is EXPECTED to get hot, vent some gasses, maybe puff up a little and die a graceful death without becoming the central concern of an expanded hazard. If you have any reason to believe that either battery is seriously discharged, some investigation of the reason combined with a well considered recharge protocol is more prudent than cranking on ground power, flipping all the switches ON and launching into the blue. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:13:29 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Dorne & Margolin DM C63-1 antenna
    At 07:53 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote: Thanks Bob for the info. I checked Radio Shack and found this CB mount. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102429 It looks like the one in your DIY article. If my thinking is correct, I could use this mount and this antenna: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102428 And cut it down to the 22" that you mention in the article, mount it with a ground plane to the belly of the plane and bend the top 2/3's back for clearance. What do you think? I think you have a useful command of the simple ideas behind a solution of your antenna problem. You're cleared for 'take-off'. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:16:40 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Can Xfeed damage smaller battery.
    I wrote: If you check out the data sheet on this 32AH beast from Panasonic, they RECOMMEND a cyclic recharge rate of only 13 amps. . . . and then forgot to paste the link in. http://aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Batteries/Panasonic/LC-LA1233P.pdf Bob . . .


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    Time: 08:33:50 AM PST US
    From: Jason Beaver <jason@jasonbeaver.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor was just speculating that this could be a source of inaccurate readings. Thanks, Jason Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:04 AM, "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT >> thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a >> Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box >> and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of >> inaccuracy in the temperature reading. > > I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded > (electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents > flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly > compliment return currents flowing in the shield. > > How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All > read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated > from engine ground or do they both electrically and > thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the > alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning > EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator > with the largest possibible load. > > > > > Bob . . . > > I believe you are combining 2 questions from different > listers. One extended thermocouple wires and has a high reading and the > other is questioning if running thermocouple next to ignition wires causes > incorrect readings. > > Roger > <winmail.dat>


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    Time: 08:33:58 AM PST US
    From: Jason Beaver <jason@jasonbeaver.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor was just speculating that this could be a source of inaccurate readings. Thanks, Jason Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:04 AM, "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Does anyone know if there are any issues in running EGT/CHT >> thermocouple wires along side the coax ignition leads from a >> Lightspeed Plasma II ignition (the lines between the ignition box >> and the coils)? My tech counselor said this could be a source of >> inaccuracy in the temperature reading. > > I doubt it very much. The coax is double shielded > (electro-static coupling ZERO) and the currents > flowing in the center-conductor (outbound) exactly > compliment return currents flowing in the shield. > > How much inaccuracy? You said they read high? All > read high by the same amount? Are your probes isolated > from engine ground or do they both electrically and > thermally connect to the engine? Does turning the > alternator on/off make any difference? Try turning > EVERYTHING on to make this test. Present the alternator > with the largest possibible load. > > > > > Bob . . . > > I believe you are combining 2 questions from different > listers. One extended thermocouple wires and has a high reading and the > other is questioning if running thermocouple next to ignition wires causes > incorrect readings. > > Roger > <winmail.dat>


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    Time: 09:25:10 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    At 10:25 AM 2/1/2012, you wrote: > >I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor >was just speculating that this could be a source of inaccurate readings. Okay, thanks for getting me back on track! Don't worry about your wire routing. Bob . . .


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    Time: 10:22:19 AM PST US
    From: Tim Andres <tim2542@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    On 2/1/2012 8:25 AM, Jason Beaver wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jason Beaver<jason@jasonbeaver.com> > > I'm not flying yet, so I have no way of testing. The tech counselor was just speculating that this could be a source of inaccurate readings. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > Sent from my iPhone > > Even if its off so what? You don't really care what the temps are, you want to know the peak and then turn to your own set of beliefs re: LOP or ROP operations. You will be the one to drill the hole in your exhaust and where you put it makes a tremendous difference in the actual temp. CHTs different story of course. Tim


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    Time: 10:59:49 AM PST US
    From: Tim Perry <tperry@lvtofly.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    If it a jpi, I have seen an improper ground cause all to read high. Make sure your instrument is grounded to the engine and not a ground bus inside. Tim Perry On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:33 PM, "Dennis Jones" <djones@northboone.net> wrote: > > Both CHT and EGT. They are thermocouple wire. I used the exact same wire as the equipment came with. I silver soldered the new lead extensions as shown by Bob. I do have a multimeter that will test thermocouple wire however I have not used that feature as of yet. The one test I have not attempted is the check of the indication without the engine running. My studies show that they should indicate ambient temperature. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365354#365354 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:25:17 AM PST US
    From: <longg@pjm.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    I'll second that. On the Dynon an improper ground on 1 device/sensor can/will impact the reading on another. I used to have an old Cadillac which when you moved the electric seat the high beams flashed. They called it a feature. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Perry Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:56 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermocouple leads If it a jpi, I have seen an improper ground cause all to read high. Make sure your instrument is grounded to the engine and not a ground bus inside. Tim Perry On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:33 PM, "Dennis Jones" <djones@northboone.net> wrote: > > Both CHT and EGT. They are thermocouple wire. I used the exact same wire as the equipment came with. I silver soldered the new lead extensions as shown by Bob. I do have a multimeter that will test thermocouple wire however I have not used that feature as of yet. The one test I have not attempted is the check of the indication without the engine running. My studies show that they should indicate ambient temperature. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365354#365354 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:43:10 PM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Subject: Right-angle adapter
    Is it any less efficient for RF to use a right-angle adapter with a straight BNC on the end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to right-angle connector crimped to the cable? An adapter plus straight connector is about half the cost of a right-angle crimp connector. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell


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    Time: 05:10:40 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Right-angle adapter
    On 02/01/2012 05:29 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > Is it any less efficient for RF to use a right-angle adapter with a > straight BNC on the end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to right-angle > connector crimped to the cable? An adapter plus straight connector is > about half the cost of a right-angle crimp connector. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell Short answer: it's less efficient. Less Short answer: You'll never be able to tell the difference without multi-kilobuck test gear. I know what I'd do. :-) Charlie


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    Time: 05:54:03 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Thermocouple leads
    At 01:20 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote: > >I'll second that. On the Dynon an improper ground on 1 device/sensor >can/will impact the reading on another. I used to have an old >Cadillac which when you moved the electric seat the high beams >flashed. They called it a feature. > >Glenn Kudos Tim and Glenn. If the thermocouples are physically welded to the bottoms of their thermowells . . . and they often are . . . then what ever voltage difference that exists between the crankcase and the instrument's ground will ride on top of the thermocouple signals as a common mode voltage. All of thermocouple conditioning chips I've worked with for the last 20 years have a considerable tolerance to DC common mode interference but if the interference has alternator ripple on it, it might be another matter. Hence the questions about effects of alternator ON versus OFF. It would also be a good experiment to run a temporary instrument ground to the crankcase just to see if it makes any difference. Bob . . .


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    Time: 05:59:17 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Right-angle adapter
    At 05:29 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote: >Is it any less efficient for RF to use a >right-angle adapter with a straight BNC on the >end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to >right-angle connector crimped to the cable?=C2 An >adapter plus straight connector is about half >the cost of a right-angle crimp connector. Either technique is fine. In fact, I published the po' boy's rt-angle bnc cable male ploy here a few years ago: http://aeroelectric.com/articles/BNC_Rt_Angle/BNC_Rt_Angle.html but then I found an economical source for one piece right angle connectors: http://tinyurl.com/76jdnua Bob . . .


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    Time: 06:11:26 PM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Right-angle adapter
    Hmm...does trying to transmit 20 or 30 miles count as test gear? I think I have the multi-kilobuck part covered ;-) Seriously, if it doesn't make any noticeable difference for voice quality in and out, I know what to do too. Thanks! Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>wrote: > ceengland@bellsouth.net> > > On 02/01/2012 05:29 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > >> Is it any less efficient for RF to use a right-angle adapter with a >> straight BNC on the end of an RG-400 cable, as opposed to right-angle >> connector crimped to the cable? An adapter plus straight connector is >> about half the cost of a right-angle crimp connector. >> >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> > Short answer: it's less efficient. > > Less Short answer: You'll never be able to tell the difference without > multi-kilobuck test gear. > > I know what I'd do. > > :-) > > Charlie > >


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    Time: 11:11:58 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
    Dear Listers, Please read over the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains AeroElectric-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. Understanding the AeroElectric-List policies will minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the AeroElectric-List running smoothly for all of us. ****************************************** *** Quick Start Guide to List Features *** ****************************************** There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List **************************************** *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe *** **************************************** Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information. The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed. You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request. The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. 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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List: smith@machine.domain.com smith@domain.com Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to the List. ************************************** *** Enclosure Support on the Lists *** ************************************** Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the content of enclosures. These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "aeroelectric-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the AeroElectric-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aeroelectric-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all AeroElectric-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the AeroElectric-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * AeroElectric-List.FAQ - Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. AeroElectric-List Policy Statement The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. 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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
    Dear Listers, Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. AeroElectric-List Policy Statement The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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