---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/26/12: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:46 AM - Re: ELT Antenna (Richard Girard) 2. 10:07 PM - Re: Re: Expanded horizons for the List?Marketing suggestion (Terry Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ELT Antenna From: Richard Girard Two points for clarification. ELT's, per 91.207, are required in airPLANES, not in airCRAFT. That's why my E-LSA airplane has one but my E-LSA Weight Shift Control aircraft (i.e. Trike) does not. " (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section, no person may operate a U.S.-registered civil airplane unless=97 " Exempted per 91.207 f (9) " Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person". And yes, I see how the waters are muddied by the use of airplane in the "Thou shalt" section of the rule, and aircraft in the "Thou may not" in the list of exemptions. Thank goodness my DAR understood the rule. Rick Girard On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:36 AM, wrote: > > 3/23/2012 > > Hello Noel Loveys, Thank you for your inputs on this subject, but in the > interest of stamping out hearsay, gossip, and rumors regarding experiment al > amateur built aircraft I'd like to point out that some of your comments a re > just not applicable in the USA. > > The following statements that you wrote are not correct in the USA: > > 1) "In that case if even on an OBAM aircraft the ELT and transponder must > be > installed or signed off by a certified AME (Canada) or A&P (U.S.)" > > 2) "One of the things I do not like about the new ELT is that aircraft > cannot > borrow another ELT while one is out having scheduled service done." > > 3) "...so they wouldn't have to fly without one... Which is legal for up > to 90 > days." > > Note that the regulatory requirements for having an ELT in a US registere d > civil aircraft operating in the US, and the circumstances permitted for > flying without an ELT installed, are contained in 14 CFR 91.207. That > section is too long and complicated to be copied, or even extracted in th is > posting. It may be accessed here: > > http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/**t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=** > e13e8f64d66f124a79dbd562cbe93f**0b&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:** > 2.0.1.3.10.3.7.4&idno=14 > > 4) "In fact even a licensed AME is not allowed to change the batteries on > an ELT > it has to be done by an approved Avionics tech or an approved avionics > shop." > > 5) "Amateur built aircraft are another quintal of fish... They don't eve n > have > to carry an ELT." > > They do in the USA in accordance with 14 CFR 91.207. > > Thanks for your help in posting accuracy. > > 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort > to gather and understand knowledge." > > ======================== ======**================== ============**= > > > Time: 11:11:14 AM PST US > From: "Noel Loveys" > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ELT Antenna > > In that case if even on an OBAM aircraft the ELT and transponder must be > installed or signed off by a certified AME (Canada) or A&P (U.S.) > > > Noel > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-**server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-**list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Kelly > McMullen > Sent: March 21, 2012 8:26 PM > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ELT Antenna > > > The minimum for use of ELTs is to demonstrate that the complete system > meets > the TSO. Good luck with doing that with a roll your own antenna of unknow n > impedance and SWR. ELTs and transponders are two items on OBAM aircraft > that > must comply with the TSO. > > > Noel wrote: > > It sure would be... but for amateur aircraft you might be able to use you r > own antenna. > > > Noel > > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-**server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-**list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Ed > Holyoke > Sent: March 20, 2012 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ELT Antenna > > > Have to look at your ELT installation instructions. The ELT is TSOed and > might require that you use their antenna. > > ======================== ======**================== ========= > > Time: 06:36:13 PM PST US > From: "Noel Loveys" > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ELT Antenna > > > In this country any appliance on a certified aircraft with certain > exceptions has to be installed by or checked by a certified AME ( aircraf t > maintenance engineer ) and the installation has to be documented in the > airframe log book and noted if there is a separate log book for the > appliance. > One of the things I do not like about the new ELT is that aircraft cannot > borrow another ELT while one is out having scheduled service done. In th e > past the AMO I worked for had a "loaner" ELT that we would put in aircraf t > so they wouldn't have to fly without one... Which is legal for up to 90 > days. > In fact even a licensed AME is not allowed to change the batteries on an > ELT > it has to be done by an approved Avionics tech or an approved avionics > shop. > Amateur built aircraft are another quintal of fish... They don't even ha ve > to carry an ELT. Mind I don't know anyone who is stupid enough to fly th is > land without one. > > Noel > > =====**=================== ===========**= /www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List> =====**=================== ===========**= =====**=================== ===========**= com/contribution> =====**=================== ===========**= > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:55 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Expanded horizons for the List?Marketing suggestion Yogi Berra might have said "It's hard to predict the future because it hasn't happened yet", but as far as I know, he didn't. We don't know precisely what the challenges and opportunities of the future will be, but we can get a pretty good idea of them by listening to the experts. We do know that the rate of change is accelerating; we do know that big problems have a way of attracting smart people with big ideas, and we do know that there will be unexpected problems and unexpected discoveries. And we know that right now we have unprecedented power to communicate, and that that power will only increase. When I watch a Khan Academy video lesson, I can easily imagine a series of Bob Nuckolls Aeroelectric Academy videos - short and very informal, presented exactly like you would do sitting next to an interested kid with sketch paper and colored pens. Diagrams would be free hand, as would graphs. Informal - that's what keeps it from being intimidating. They would start with the most basic concepts of electronics and build up an appreciation and understanding, just like you do in your classes and here on the Aeroelectric list. The point is to keep it from becoming a Big Deal - no fancy productions - just Bob Nuckolls telling us about electronics in five to ten minute bites. Over time, there would become a library of these. When someone asked a question that lent itself to the format, your answer would become another lesson that could be located by a search of the data base of lessons. You seem to have become highly successful giving away your knowledge, but there is a value here that is worth paying for. But my guess is that when you think of a kid in Pakistan or Fiji or China who has dreamed of flying ever since he saw his first small airplane, you will want him to have whatever knowledge you can give him. Here are a few web addresses that might give your subscribers an idea of what we are talking about: Khan Academy: http://www.khanacademy.org/ Peter Diamandis: Abundance is our future: "The cell phone in your pocket is a million times cheaper and a thousand times faster than the supercomputer of the '70's." http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_diamandis_abundance_is_our_future.html About ten minutes into this 16 minute TED talk, you will see what autonomous air traffic control might be like: : http://www.ted.com/talks/vijay_kumar_robots_that_fly_and_cooperate.html The TED talks are a great place to visit regularly to get a fresh perspective on the world we live in. 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