---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/18/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:28 AM - Re: Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft (David) 2. 03:43 AM - Using all the wires (JOHN TIPTON) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft (Eric M. Jones) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft (Steve Stearns) 5. 08:37 AM - Re: Using all the wires (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 09:42 AM - OS Wig-Wag Project (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 01:23 PM - Re: Using all the wires (JOHN TIPTON) 8. 02:12 PM - Red Dot SWR Meter (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS) 9. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft (Richard E. Tasker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft From: David Would that XPI be most effective when in indexed, indexed direct, or indexed indirect mode? My favorite instruction was NOP... Octal didn't have a chance. PDP-8's didn't live long and besides, octal could only represent itself half as well as hex. 2, 3, 4, (drum rap) Nibbles, now there was some compact power. Today, one gets arrested for twiddling their bits in public... Does that register? Ah, the highs and lows of assembly... For one thing, we never knew whether we were on the leading edge or the trailing edge... Only Nyqist and our hairdressers know for sure. David :) On Tue 04/17/12 10:02 PM , Henador Titzoff henador_titzoff@yahoo.com sent: > Interesting. The octal vs. hex debate didn't last long, did it? The > reason these two were invented was to get away from too many 1s and > 0s, i.e. binary. There are only 10 types of people in this world - > those who understand binary and those who don't. > Henador Titzoff > ------------------------- > FROM: rez > TO: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > SENT: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:32 PM > SUBJECT: AeroElectric-List: Re: Open source product development for > OBAM aircraft > BASIC, COBOL, assembler, C++++, reminds me of a heated debate many > years ago regarding the merits of octal vs hex. Of course all these > things are tools, and you use the tool that is most appropriate for > the job at hand. But if your only tool is hammer then everything > looks like a nail. > Another famous debate was on the use of the GOTO statement. > Everybody knows that the GOTO is very bad. I am proud to say that I > once assisted in the development of a system that completely > eliminated the GOTO. It was based on the COMEFROM statement and > also the FISH stack. COMEFROM has fallen out of favor recently, but > the FISH stack is still widely used: first in, still here. The system > was implemented as a SNOBOL preprocessor for a structured JOVIAL > compiler. Sadly it never caught on. > My native language is FORTRAN, which is very useful because you can > write FORTRAN in any language. Nostalgia aint what it used to be. > Jim > PS The most useful assembler statement is XPI, execute programmer > immediate. > -=================================== > > Links: > ------ > [1] > http://webmail2.knology.net/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?AEROELECTRIC > -LIST[2] http://webmail2.knology.net/HTTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM > [3] http://webmail2.knology.net/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:29 AM PST US From: "JOHN TIPTON" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Using all the wires Hi Guys (Bob) We are going with the Ztron Labs 'LED Nav/Strobe' lights, the wireing call out is 2 wire 18AWG sheathed wire for the power feed and return, plus a seperate 22AWG wire for the strobe sync, I have plenty of 3 wire 18AWG, can I use the spare wire to feed something else eg: the landing lights Best regards John (RV9a-wings) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:50 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft From: "Eric M. Jones" > I don't know what you use for board layout, but if you use something like Eagle from http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ the layout connections will always agree with the schematic since they are linked. I love Eagle and have used it extensively. Express PCB is better for my purposes now (my average PCB is under one-square inch). Furthermore Express PCB's learning curve is almost ZERO. You can be set up and using it in minutes. Please note: Express PCB's schematic program is also linked to the PCB. -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones(at)charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371144#371144 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:33 AM PST US From: Steve Stearns Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft All, Regarding the discussions of what "real programmers" use etc. it was once explained to me that there are only two kinds of programming languages and those are ones that "everyone" bitches about and argues against and those that "nobody" uses. Steve Stearns Boulder/Longmont, Colorado CSA,EAA,IAC,AOPA,PE,ARRL,BARC (but ignorant none-the-less) Restoring (since 1/07) and flying again (8/11!): N45FC O235 Longeze Cothern/Friling CF1 (~1000 Hrs) Flying (since 9/86): N43732 A65 Taylorcraft BC12D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:13 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using all the wires At 05:42 AM 4/18/2012, you wrote: > > >Hi Guys (Bob) > >We are going with the Ztron Labs 'LED Nav/Strobe' lights, the >wireing call out is 2 wire 18AWG sheathed wire for the power feed >and return, plus a seperate 22AWG wire for the strobe sync, I have >plenty of 3 wire 18AWG, can I use the spare wire to feed something >else eg: the landing lights probably . . . but why not use the third wire for sync. The fact that it's larger than the recommended wire will not affect performance . . . and this keeps the strobe wiring nice and tidy. Can you scan and share the recommended wiring diagram for your Ztron system? Or is the instllation manual available on the 'net? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:06 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: OS Wig-Wag Project I'm ready to lift the lid on my contribution to date. The data package is available at: http://tinyurl.com/7885bd6 Anyone who enjoys . . . and is capable of sifting the drawings through the sieve of logical agreement between the data points is welcome to do so. Critical review welcomed. I've included a couple of LEDs on the board that will emulate the fixtures in the airplane. This will allow any software developers to hook a switch and 12v power supply to the board and exercise the fruits of their efforts on the bench. I'll take another pass at the 'sieve' tomorrow and maybe get some boards on order. I have all the parts. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:19 PM PST US From: "JOHN TIPTON" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using all the wires Bob says: "Or is the installation manual available on the 'net?" Indeed: http://www.ztronlabs.com/products.php http://www.ztronlabs.com/products/pswt/User_Manual-12.pdf I propose using a 2 pole switch, OFF - ON(nav only) - ON(nav+strobes) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Using all the wires > > > At 05:42 AM 4/18/2012, you wrote: >> >> >>Hi Guys (Bob) >> >>We are going with the Ztron Labs 'LED Nav/Strobe' lights, the wireing call >>out is 2 wire 18AWG sheathed wire for the power feed and return, plus a >>seperate 22AWG wire for the strobe sync, I have plenty of 3 wire 18AWG, >>can I use the spare wire to feed something else eg: the landing lights > > probably . . . but why not use the third wire for > sync. The fact that it's larger than the recommended > wire will not affect performance . . . and this keeps > the strobe wiring nice and tidy. > > Can you scan and share the recommended wiring diagram > for your Ztron system? Or is the instllation manual > available on the 'net? > > > Bob . . . > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:13 PM PST US From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Red Dot SWR Meter Bob, Thanks much for procuring and testing the Red Dot SWR meter. I will put it to use testing my installed antennas mounted inside my wooden aircraft. No doubt, there will be questions how best to do these tests, and what are acceptable parameters. Have you published the results of your testing of this meter with your reference? Roger ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:04 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Open source product development for OBAM aircraft I will answer and comment to all the previous inquiries. S. Ramirez: Eagle has schematic capture that, in my opinion, is very good. I have not used one of the PADS suites in many years so I cannot really comment on how it compares. Eagle does have schematic capture that is linked to the board layout. It has an auto-router that seems to be pretty good if you want to use it. I don't use it myself. You can download a free copy and try it out for yourself. It is pretty easy to learn. Bob N.: I too started with the same stuff you mention. Doing layouts on a drafting board at 5:1 and flipping translucent sheets to make multilayer boards - the "good old days". I don't use the auto-router in Eagle myself, although it is there if one wants it. I would really recommend you download a copy of the Eagle freeware and check it out. It is really easy to use and definitely helps with the final checkouts to make sure you didn't miss anything and that you haven't done anything stupid. I do the boards I design just like you describe, except I enter the schematic first and then switch to the board where all the parts are waiting for me to place wherever I want them. Then auto-route if you want or manually rout if you prefer (I prefer). Don't know if it will work, but I have attached a copy of one of our schematics so you can see what it looks like. If you don't like what it looks it, you can make and add your own symbols for anything to the library and use them instead. Eric: Express PCB is also very good. The only disadvantage is that it is linked to the particular board supplier - which is fine as long as that is who you want to deal with. With Eagle you can use the Gerber files it generates with any board supplier. Dick Tasker Eric M. Jones wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" > > >> I don't know what you use for board layout, but if you use something like Eagle from http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ the layout connections will always agree with the schematic since they are linked. > > I love Eagle and have used it extensively. Express PCB is better for my purposes now (my average PCB is under one-square inch). Furthermore Express PCB's learning curve is almost ZERO. You can be set up and using it in minutes. Please note: Express PCB's schematic program is also linked to the PCB. > > -------- > Eric M. Jones > www.PerihelionDesign.com > 113 Brentwood Drive > Southbridge, MA 01550 > (508) 764-2072 > emjones(at)charter.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371144#371144 > > -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. 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