AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/30/12


Total Messages Posted: 8



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:42 AM - Re: Radio Coax (John MacCallum)
     2. 05:07 AM - Re: Secrets Techniques (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     3. 06:54 AM - Re: Ignition Interference (stearman456)
     4. 07:27 AM - Re: Ignition Interference (messydeer)
     5. 07:40 AM - Re: Ignition Interference (stearman456)
     6. 07:47 AM - Re: Radio Coax (paul wilson)
     7. 08:53 AM - Re: Ignition Interference (messydeer)
     8. 09:37 AM - Re: Shunt insulation (gregmchugh)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:42:23 AM PST US
    From: "John MacCallum" <john.maccallum@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Radio Coax
    Hi Paul, Coaxial cable can be run next to metal objects and coiled. In fact under some circumstances coiling it is beneficial, such as if you want to make a Transmission line choke Balun, strain relief or water isolation. You can=92t do that with a Balanced Line Feeder such as the old 300 ohm TV ribbon, which may be where the idea of not crossing over Itself came from. Sometimes you can get into trouble with odd =BC wave multiples of the frequency you are working at causing the impedance of the Antenna and Transmission line together to be something other than it should be. This results in a high SWR but this requires a reasonably big miss match of the Antenna=92s fed point impedance and the Transmission Lines Characteristic Impedance (50 ohms). So get yourself an SWR meter, check the SWR and if it=92s less than 2.5 to 1 you will be ok. Cheers John MacCallum VH-DUU RV10 #41016 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 9:39 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Coax Is there physics to the comment below? I happened to pick up the comment on a jeep forum where the guys buy an antenna with a stock length of coax and don't have the ability to change the length. Apperciate any comments. Thanks, Paul DO NOT coil your antenna coax lead or let it cross over itself, to get the best reception and transmission from your radio. I have now tried this and found significant increases for both. Run your lead around the seat, around the roof, or whatever you have to do to prevent crossover of the lead, next to itself. You will find much improvement in your reception.


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    Time: 05:07:45 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Secrets Techniques
    At 06:30 PM 4/29/2012, you wrote: >Well, that works like a charm!... I've spent so many years trying >not to melt the insulation that I was not taking full advantage of >the properties of Tefzel. I've encountered solder sleeves in the >past, but never appreciate their purpose. Yeah, they're kinda cool. I'm seeing some po' boy's solder sleeves showing up from suppliers on the net at attractive prices. I'm going to acquire some as see how well they work. I'm a bit surprised to find them offered to the commercial installation crowd. PVC or even the higher temperature PVC insulations are king. Not sure you can put a legacy RayChem solder sleeve on this wire. But these new kids on the block just might feature lower temperature solders (yes my children, there ARE other alloys that will do that melty-glue-thing) along with some lower temperature shrink and sealants. We'll have to see. In any case, I'm pleased that your dragons are at least "behind bars" if not completely dispatched . . . Bob . . .


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    Time: 06:54:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ignition Interference
    From: "stearman456" <warbirds@shaw.ca>
    If you have two mags and a filter on each one, the quickest thing to try is swapping the filters. I had a dud filter once a couple of years ago straight out of the box. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372136#372136


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    Time: 07:27:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ignition Interference
    From: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
    There are no filters on either mag. The filter capacitor is on the alternator. You think putting a filter capacitor on the offending mag wire might work? -------- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372140#372140


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    Time: 07:40:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ignition Interference
    From: "stearman456" <warbirds@shaw.ca>
    I put a filter on each of mine (Continental C90 with Bendix mags) and that cleared up my noise. I had one dud filter at first but after replacing it she's nice and quiet now. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372142#372142


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    Time: 07:47:09 AM PST US
    From: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
    Subject: Radio Coax
    Hi John, Interesting comments. I will pass them along. I wondered where the no ant coil vs coil came from. For my various rigs I use SWRs, cheapy one for CB and another pricy one for the VHF setups. My SWRs are great due to my significant effort. I now have one of Bobs low ohm devices and will work thru all my grounds and feeds to see what I find. Should be fun and informative. I know my discussion was for off road rigs, but I hope the airplane guys dont mind. Seems applicable to any radio install. Thanks, Paul At 02:39 AM 4/30/2012, John MacCallum wrote: >Hi Paul, >Coaxial cable can be run next to metal objects >and coiled. In fact under some circumstances >coiling it is beneficial, such as if you want to make a >Transmission line choke Balun, strain relief or water isolation. >You can=92t do that with a Balanced Line Feeder >such as the old 300 ohm TV ribbon, which may be >where the idea of not crossing over >Itself came from. > >Sometimes you can get into trouble with odd =BC >wave multiples of the frequency you are working >at causing the impedance of the Antenna >and Transmission line together to be something >other than it should be. This results in a high >SWR but this requires a reasonably big miss match >of the Antenna=92s fed point impedance and the >Transmission Lines Characteristic Impedance (50 ohms). > >So get yourself an SWR meter, check the SWR and >if it=92s less than 2.5 to 1 you will be ok. > >Cheers > >John MacCallum >VH-DUU >RV10 #41016 > > >From: >owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson >Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012 9:39 PM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Coax > >Is there physics to the comment below? >I happened to pick up the comment on a jeep >forum where the guys buy an antenna with a stock >length of coax and don't have the ability to change the length. >Apperciate any comments. Thanks, Paul > >DO NOT coil your antenna coax lead or let it >cross over itself, to get the best reception and >transmission from your radio. I have now tried >this and found significant increases for both. >Run your lead around the seat, around the roof, >or whatever you have to do to prevent crossover >of the lead, next to itself. You will find much improvement in your reception. > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > >http://forums.matronics.com > > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >


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    Time: 08:53:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ignition Interference
    From: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
    Yes, thanks for pointing this out. Sounds like I could disconnect the P lead of the left mag and see if it still makes noise. If it does, then Bob says it's getting out through the P lead wiring. If that's the case, sounds like replacing the single conductor wire P lead and ground shield would work. That's not a huge undertaking, but maybe it could be avoided if I slapped one of my ferrite beads on the switch end of the offending P lead and ground? If the noise doesn't go away, then the 'plug harnesses are suspect' Plug harnesses may be electrically tested (continuity between end of center conductor and between ends of shield braid). Unhook individual plug wires and do a continuity check between the spark plug connector shell (attaches to shield) and engine crankcase. I don't quite understand what's being asked for, since I don't have a spark plug wire handy and haven't really looked to see how the wires are made. Sounds like it's a single conductor shielded wire. Is there to be no continuity between the inner conductor and the shell? -------- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372149#372149


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    Time: 09:37:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Shunt insulation
    From: "gregmchugh" <gregmchugh@aol.com>
    Bob, They sure look like Weather Pack fuse holders maybe from http://www.whiteproducts.com/ and the Blue Sea version is on Amazon for $9 http://tinyurl.com/7tzcmc2 Greg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372152#372152




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