AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Fri 05/11/12


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:10 AM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (Steve Thomas)
     2. 07:04 AM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (DeWitt (Dee) Whittington)
     3. 07:27 AM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
     4. 08:08 AM - Volt electrics: To do or not to do, that is the question. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     5. 08:38 AM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (Steve Thomas)
     6. 11:15 AM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (Rob Housman)
     7. 11:15 AM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (Bob McCallum)
     8. 11:46 AM - ATC on a bracket (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     9. 12:06 PM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
    10. 12:07 PM - Re: ATC on a bracket (Matt Prather)
    11. 12:21 PM - Re: ATC on a bracket (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
    12. 12:49 PM - Re: ATC on a bracket (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    13. 12:55 PM - Chev. Volt Article (Janet Amtmann)
    14. 01:21 PM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (Kelly McMullen)
    15. 01:48 PM - connect 1-5 volt fuel level sender to legacy type fuel gage (Paul Millner)
    16. 02:07 PM - Re: ATC on a bracket (Bill Bradburry)
    17. 05:29 PM - Engine Quit on Takeoff (Jim Thorne)
    18. 06:08 PM - Re: Engine Quit on Takeoff (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    19. 06:10 PM - Re: ATC on a bracket (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    20. 06:20 PM - Re: connect 1-5 volt fuel level sender to legacy type fuel gage (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    21. 09:09 PM - Re: ATC on a bracket (Stuart Hutchison)
    22. 10:39 PM - Re: ATC on a bracket (Bob McCallum)
    23. 11:27 PM - Re: Chevy Volt electrics (Tony Babb)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:10:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Chevy Volt electrics
    From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
    The winmail.dat file is a proprietary file produced by Microsoft Outlook. Outlook is the only program that can open it. If you use any other mail program, you're kinda outta luck. There are some programs that will interpret it. The Outlook user that sent this file should change the settings in Outlook to attach native files rather than the winmail.dat file. Steve Thomas ________________________________________________________________________ On May 10, 2012, at 11:31 AM, ROGER & JEAN CURTIS wrote: > Here is an article on how the Chevy Volt electrical system is put together. > Some on the list may be interested. > > > > Roger > <winmail.dat>


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    Time: 07:04:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Chevy Volt electrics
    From: "DeWitt (Dee) Whittington" <dee.whittington@gmail.com>
    Same for me, when I downloaded it and opened it with Adobe Acrobat Reader, but not when it initially opened with Google whatever, .doc I think. Dee On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Allen Fulmer <afulmer@charter.net> wrote: > ** > > For what it=92s worth the original attachment worked for me. > > Allen Fulmer > > RV7 > > _____________________________________________ > ***From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com<owner-aeroelectric-li st-server@matronics.com> > ]*** On Behalf Of* ROGER & JEAN CURTIS > ***Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:32 PM > ***To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > ***Subject:* AeroElectric-List: Chevy Volt electrics > > Here is an article on how the Chevy Volt electrical system is put > together. Some on the list may be interested. > > << File: > 26349-Teardown_reveals_Chevy_Volt_s_electronic_secrets_PDF[1].pdf >> > > Roger > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- DeWitt Whittington www.VirginiaFlyIn.org Building Glasair Sportsman with 3 partners


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    Time: 07:27:07 AM PST US
    From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: Chevy Volt electrics
    The winmail.dat file is a proprietary file produced by Microsoft Outlook. Outlook is the only program that can open it. If you use any other mail program, you're kinda outta luck. There are some programs that will interpret it. The Outlook user that sent this file should change the settings in Outlook to attach native files rather than the winmail.dat file. Steve Thomas Can you point me in the right direction to change my Outlook to send native files? I can't seem to find it in the help files. Thanks, Roger Do not archive


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    Time: 08:08:58 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Volt electrics: To do or not to do, that is the question.
    > > Thanks! The link wraps so a bit fussy for cut-n-paste. > Here's a tinyurl > >http://tinyurl.com/6vnhyox An interesting article, both for the technology described and the information that give rise to pondering return on investment/reliability. Without a doubt, the industry's ability to put a host of features into a small package is inarguable. From the perspective of a user of such features, there's a question of value. A second, and equally important consideration is the consideration of risk. Few failures in 4-wheeled vehicles pose concerns for life-threatening failure . . . at least today. I'm reading mumbles about all electric braking . . . and steer by wire system being proposed for automobiles. The longevity of exceedingly complex consumer products speaks to advances of an ability to produce but most markets for complex systems have little need to worry about cost of ownership and gross reliability issues that concern designers, builders and operators of aircraft. I think it is useful to watch what comes over the hill in ground-based technologies and to ponder its utility in future aircraft applications. At the same time, I am cognizant of my own motivations to climb into an admittedly risky machine and give up contact with the ground. I do it for fun and personal satisfaction as a pilot . . . whether the machine is fitted like a J-3 or a 787 matters not . . . no, it does matter. It takes too long and costs too much to be proficient in a 787. Further, proficiency in a 787 takes too much time and attention away from "flying." A talented instructor and a J-3 frees me from the earth in a few hours in a machine that places few demands on visceral or material resources. This gives rise to a personal considerations of what features we should expend time, talent and resources to acquire . . . and what we can live quite nicely without. Each of us has to make the trade off between design goals and expenditures. The Volt is one example of some amazing abilities "to do stuff". But quite often, the best way to drive a nail is the judicious and skilled application of a hammer. Bob . . .


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    Time: 08:38:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Chevy Volt electrics
    From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
    I switched to Mac a number of years ago and haven't used Outlook in just as long. I don't remember where to find that setting. I'm sure that there must be some Outlook users out there that can help. But I do know that there is a setting where you can switch that "feature." Also, if you are connected to a Windows server using Exchange, the setting may be at the Exchange level. Any windows experts out there? Steve Thomas ________________________________________________________________________ On May 11, 2012, at 7:26 AM, ROGER & JEAN CURTIS wrote: > > > The winmail.dat file is a proprietary file produced by Microsoft Outlook. > Outlook is the only program that can open it. If you use any other mail > program, you're kinda outta luck. There are some programs that will > interpret it. The Outlook user that sent this file should change the > settings in Outlook to attach native files rather than the winmail.dat file. > > > Steve Thomas > > Can you point me in the right direction to change my Outlook > to send native files? I can't seem to find it in the help files. > > Thanks, > > Roger > > Do not archive > <winmail.dat>


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    Time: 11:15:44 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
    Subject: Chevy Volt electrics
    All is explained at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138053 Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon _____________________________________________ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROGER & JEAN CURTIS Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 7:26 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chevy Volt electrics The winmail.dat file is a proprietary file produced by Microsoft Outlook. Outlook is the only program that can open it. If you use any other mail program, you're kinda outta luck. There are some programs that will interpret it. The Outlook user that sent this file should change the settings in Outlook to attach native files rather than the winmail.dat file. Steve Thomas Can you point me in the right direction to change my Outlook to send native files? I can't seem to find it in the help files. Thanks, Roger Do not archive


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    Time: 11:15:44 AM PST US
    From: Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Chevy Volt electrics
    Roger; According to Microsoft, this problem arises (automatic conversion to .dat files) when you try to send e-mails in "rich text format". Their solution is to use either "plain text format" or "HTML format". Different versions of Windows and Outlook make these selections differently, but on my combination there is a selection box on the toolbar where the "send" button is located which allows me to make that distinction. Your e-mails have always looked different than everyone else's on my computer and this may be why. In typing this response my computer automatically selected "rich text" because that is the format of your original. That would seem to lend credence to Microsoft's explanation. I've changed this reply manually to "HTML" because that's what I normally use for e-mail. Bob McC _____________________________________________ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROGER & JEAN CURTIS Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:26 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chevy Volt electrics The winmail.dat file is a proprietary file produced by Microsoft Outlook. Outlook is the only program that can open it. If you use any other mail program, you're kinda outta luck. There are some programs that will interpret it. The Outlook user that sent this file should change the settings in Outlook to attach native files rather than the winmail.dat file. Steve Thomas Can you point me in the right direction to change my Outlook to send native files? I can't seem to find it in the help files. Thanks, Roger Do not archive


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    Time: 11:46:44 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: ATC on a bracket
    On several occasions, like today, I've wanted to incorporate a hard-mounted ATC fuse into a chassis assembly. There are probably surface mounted holders out there . . . just didn't have one in the junk-bins. I'll refer the interested readers to the fuseholder pictures at: http://tinyurl.com/7sguf9t The ATC_on_a_Bracket series shows what I discovered when I ground off the "inert" meat on the fuse holders I have on hand. This exploration revealed that for this particular device, there was .400" of inert plastic on butt side of the fuse holder. A few minutes work in the shop produced a bracket and attach method that solved the problem du jour. Thought I'd add it to the shared AeroElectric bag of tricks . . . Bob . . .


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    Time: 12:06:12 PM PST US
    From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: Chevy Volt electrics
    All is explained at: <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138053> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138053 Best regards, Rob Housman Roger; According to Microsoft, this problem arises (automatic conversion to .dat files) when you try to send e-mails in =9Crich text format=9D. Their solution is to use either =9Cplain text format=9D or =9CHTML format=9D. Different versions of Windows and Outlook make these selections differently, but on my combination there is a selection box on the toolbar where the =9Csend=9D button is located which allows me to make that distinction. Your e-mails have always looked different than everyone else=99s on my computer and this may be why. In typing this response my computer automatically selected =9Crich text=9D because that is the format of your original. That would seem to lend credence to Microsoft=99s explanation. I=99ve changed this reply manually to =9CHTML=9D because that=99s what I normally use for e-mail. Bob McC Thanks Rob & Bob, I will start using only HTML! Not sure why I got into the habit of using Rich Text but if changing to HTML will solve the problem, I=99m all for it. =98=BA =98=BA Roger


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    Time: 12:07:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: ATC on a bracket
    From: Matt Prather <mapratherid@gmail.com>
    That's great Bob! I have a project where this will be perfect.. Thanks, Matt- On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> > > On several occasions, like today, I've wanted to > incorporate a hard-mounted ATC fuse into a chassis > assembly. There are probably surface mounted holders > out there . . . just didn't have one in the junk-bins. > > I'll refer the interested readers to the fuseholder > pictures at: > > http://tinyurl.com/7sguf9t > > The ATC_on_a_Bracket series shows what I discovered > when I ground off the "inert" meat on the fuse holders > I have on hand. This exploration revealed that for this > particular device, there was .400" of inert plastic on > butt side of the fuse holder. > > A few minutes work in the shop produced a bracket and > attach method that solved the problem du jour. Thought > I'd add it to the shared AeroElectric bag of tricks . . . > > > Bob . . . > >


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    Time: 12:21:46 PM PST US
    From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: ATC on a bracket
    The ATC_on_a_Bracket series shows what I discovered when I ground off the "inert" meat on the fuse holders I have on hand. This exploration revealed that for this particular device, there was .400" of inert plastic on butt side of the fuse holder. A few minutes work in the shop produced a bracket and attach method that solved the problem du jour. Thought I'd add it to the shared AeroElectric bag of tricks . . . Bob . . . Interesting! Looks like this could be a rather useful discovery. Roger


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    Time: 12:49:51 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: ATC on a bracket
    At 02:19 PM 5/11/2012, you wrote: Interesting! Looks like this could be a rather useful discovery. Roger Not all holders have that much free plastic and you'll want to sand away the proposed mounting meat to make sure no fuse wiring extends into the boss. I considered just bonding this holder to the bracket but wasn't sure about storage temperature extremes. Decided to bond it to fixture and then re-enforce the bond with screws. Bob . . .


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    Time: 12:55:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Chev. Volt Article
    From: Janet Amtmann <jgamtmann2@gmail.com>
    For what it is worth, I did not get an attachment either. Bob's tiny url did the trick. Do not archive. Jurgen Amtmann


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    Time: 01:21:55 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Chevy Volt electrics
    The better choice for most email is plain text. Every email program handles it cleanly, the file size is kept to a minimum. Many listservs will automatically strip HTML from a message, leaving you shooting blanks. On 5/11/2012 12:05 PM, ROGER & JEAN CURTIS wrote: > > All is explained at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138053 > > Best regards, > > Rob Housman > > *Roger;* > > ** > > *According to Microsoft, this problem arises (automatic conversion to > .dat files) when you try to send e-mails in rich text format. Their > solution is to use either plain text format or HTML format. > Different versions of Windows and Outlook make these selections > differently, but on my combination there is a selection box on the > toolbar where the send button is located which allows me to make > that distinction. Your e-mails have always looked different than > everyone elses on my computer and this may be why. In typing this > response my computer automatically selected rich text because that > is the format of your original. That would seem to lend credence to > Microsofts explanation. Ive changed this reply manually to HTML > because thats what I normally use for e-mail.* > > ** > > *Bob McC* > > ** > Thanks Rob& Bob, > > I will start using only HTML! Not sure why I got into the habit of using Rich Text but if changing to HTML will solve the problem, Im all for it. > > Roger > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 01:48:55 PM PST US
    From: Paul Millner <millner@me.com>
    Subject: connect 1-5 volt fuel level sender to legacy type fuel
    gage Hi Bob, I'm toying with the idea of installing Electronics International's new magnetic fuel level senders, that output 1-5 volts from empty to full, to interface with a JPI 930 or similar. However, I'd like to continue to make the legacy 12 volt Wheatstone bridge style needle gage work... I've been puzzling over how to fool the legacy gage into thinking it's seeing a resistance, comparable to the stock potentiometer fuel level sender, via a conversion circuit that's looking at my new senders' 1-5 volt output in parallel to the JPI monitor. I'm filling the paper with voltage sources and current sources, but I'm not sure I'm getting much closer to a circuit design... seems like it shouldn't be hard for someone with at least a little insight, but so far I'm not bringing that insight to bear. Thoughts? Paul


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    Time: 02:07:29 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: ATC on a bracket
    I suppose if you used wood or metal screws you would not need a nut to secure the bracket to the ATC holder? B2 -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: ATC on a bracket <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> On several occasions, like today, I've wanted to incorporate a hard-mounted ATC fuse into a chassis assembly. There are probably surface mounted holders out there . . . just didn't have one in the junk-bins. I'll refer the interested readers to the fuseholder pictures at: http://tinyurl.com/7sguf9t The ATC_on_a_Bracket series shows what I discovered when I ground off the "inert" meat on the fuse holders I have on hand. This exploration revealed that for this particular device, there was .400" of inert plastic on butt side of the fuse holder. A few minutes work in the shop produced a bracket and attach method that solved the problem du jour. Thought I'd add it to the shared AeroElectric bag of tricks . . . Bob . . .


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    Time: 05:29:44 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
    Subject: Engine Quit on Takeoff
    OK I need some help on where to start looking. Sorry for a long post but don't know how to say it without leaving important stuff out. About a month ago I lost power on takeoff. It didn't quit completely so thanks to some throttle blips and altitude I made the "impossible turn" and got the plane back on the ground and taxied normally to the hangar. First we checked the fuel system, doing fuel flows every conceivable way we knew how. Even tied the tail down and ran one in a "climb out attitude". All flows seemed to be normal. The next thing was to download the Dynon data log. In looking that over it became apparent at the time of the incident I was producing 62 Amps and 20+ Volts. This would last for a few seconds and drop to a more normal range then spike again it did it several times. It appeared that the spikes were when the engine wasn't running. The next was checking the P and E mags. Brad after hearing my story suggested I send them in. They found the circuit board in the P-Mag wasn't reliable. Both mags had been subjected to very high temps, according to Brad this could have been from the engine oil temp or the high amperage. I learned that I had the blast tubes aimed incorrectly. They have been rebuilt and are now both P-Mags. The alternator, Van's Nippon Denso, was bench checked twice by two separate shops. Everything was normal. The plane was reassembled and test run. Everything seemed normal until I ran high RPM, 2000+. As soon as the RPMs climbed the Dynon showed the amps climbed right up to 60 and voltage up to 20. The engine kept running on the ground but to say the least I am not enthusiastic trying to fly it with these same conditions. Where do I go from here? Jim Thorne RV7A


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    Time: 06:08:53 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Quit on Takeoff
    At 07:28 PM 5/11/2012, you wrote: OK I need some help on where to start looking. Sorry for a long post but don't know how to say it without leaving important stuff out. About a month ago I lost power on takeoff. It didn't quit completely so thanks to some throttle blips and altitude I made the "impossible turn" and got the plane back on the ground and taxied normally to the hangar. First we checked the fuel system, doing fuel flows every conceivable way we knew how. Even tied the tail down and ran one in a "climb out attitude". All flows seemed to be normal. The next thing was to download the Dynon data log. In looking that over it became apparent at the time of the incident I was producing 62 Amps and 20+ Volts. This would last for a few seconds and drop to a more normal range then spike again it did it several times. It appeared that the spikes were when the engine wasn't running. The next was checking the P and E mags. Brad after hearing my story suggested I send them in. They found the circuit board in the P-Mag wasn't reliable. Both mags had been subjected to very high temps, according to Brad this could have been from the engine oil temp or the high amperage. I learned that I had the blast tubes aimed incorrectly. They have been rebuilt and are now both P-Mags. The alternator, Van's Nippon Denso, was bench checked twice by two separate shops. Everything was normal. The plane was reassembled and test run. Everything seemed normal until I ran high RPM, 2000+. As soon as the RPMs climbed the Dynon showed the amps climbed right up to 60 and voltage up to 20. The engine kept running on the ground but to say the least I am not enthusiastic trying to fly it with these same conditions. Where do I go from here? Jim Thorne The alternator was in uncontrolled runaway and you apparently don't have over-voltage protection system installed. The last time we were discussing Van's alternators, they were internally regulated machines. At a minimum, have the regulator replaced. If you're going to have the alternator opened up by a competent local shop, you might see if they would modify it for external regulation which is more builder friendly for addition of ov protection and any-time, any-conditions on/off control from the cockpit. What you have experienced is a relatively rare event . . . but the risks are not zero. This is why legacy alternator installations in TC aircraft have been externally regulated and fitted with ov protection almost since day-one. The first alternator installations on Cessnas did not have ov protection . . . but we quickly learned. Bob . . .


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    Time: 06:10:40 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: ATC on a bracket
    At 04:06 PM 5/11/2012, you wrote: ><bbradburry@bellsouth.net> > >I suppose if you used wood or metal screws you would not need a nut to >secure the bracket to the ATC holder? > >B2 The holder body is solid plastic. I suppose you could use self tapping screws in the plastic . . . but machine nuts on a screw are much more secure. You can thread-lock them with super glue. Bob . . .


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    Time: 06:20:55 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: connect 1-5 volt fuel level sender to legacy
    type fuel gage At 03:48 PM 5/11/2012, you wrote: > >Hi Bob, > >I'm toying with the idea of installing Electronics International's >new magnetic fuel level senders, that output 1-5 volts from empty to >full, to interface with a JPI 930 or similar. > >However, I'd like to continue to make the legacy 12 volt Wheatstone >bridge style needle gage work... What are the characteristics of the instrument? Current full scale? It's pretty easy to craft an op-amp signal conditioner that will apply the necessary gain and offset to spread the 1-5 volt signal over the legacy instrument's scale. These tend to be 'beefy' instruments of perhaps 10 ma full scale. The signal conditioner would have to be vetted for this much sink or source current. If you can get full scale current value for me along with the old resistance sender's empty-full span I can sketch a circuit and propose parts. On way to do it in the airplane is hook a rheostat up to emulate the old sender. Adjust the rheostat first for FULL indication, measure voltage across the rheostat before disconnecting it to measure its resistance. Repeat for 1/2 and empty. The only reason you need reading at 1/2 is to verify that the instrument is reasonably linear. Bob . . .


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    Time: 09:09:59 PM PST US
    From: "Stuart Hutchison" <stuart@stuarthutchison.com.au>
    Subject: ATC on a bracket
    90 degree difference in orientation, but another option is: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SZ2046 Kind regards, Stu F1 Rocket VH-FLY http://www.mykitlog.com/RockFLY www.teamrocketaircraft.com


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    Time: 10:39:46 PM PST US
    From: Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: ATC on a bracket
    Thanks Stu, and these have the added benefit of not having to splice into pre-assembled PVC lead wires. Bob McC > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Hutchison > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:09 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ATC on a bracket > > 90 degree difference in orientation, but another option is: > http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SZ2046 > > Kind regards, Stu > > F1 Rocket VH-FLY http://www.mykitlog.com/RockFLY > www.teamrocketaircraft.com


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    Time: 11:27:54 PM PST US
    From: "Tony Babb" <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
    Subject: Chevy Volt electrics
    In Outlook 2010 there appear to be two places that might affect this. In Outlook go to File/ Options You'll see this: Description: cid:image001.png@01CD2FCA.E325FFB0 Scroll down a bit further and you'll see this, look under "Message Format": Tony Velocity SEFG 62% done, 78% to go www.alejandra.net/velocity From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob McCallum Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chevy Volt electrics Roger; According to Microsoft, this problem arises (automatic conversion to .dat files) when you try to send e-mails in "rich text format". Their solution is to use either "plain text format" or "HTML format". Different versions of Windows and Outlook make these selections differently, but on my combination there is a selection box on the toolbar where the "send" button is located which allows me to make that distinction. Your e-mails have always looked different than everyone else's on my computer and this may be why. In typing this response my computer automatically selected "rich text" because that is the format of your original. That would seem to lend credence to Microsoft's explanation. I've changed this reply manually to "HTML" because that's what I normally use for e-mail. Bob McC _____________________________________________ From: <mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com> owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROGER & JEAN CURTIS Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:26 AM aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chevy Volt electrics The winmail.dat file is a proprietary file produced by Microsoft Outlook. Outlook is the only program that can open it. If you use any other mail program, you're kinda outta luck. There are some programs that will interpret it. The Outlook user that sent this file should change the settings in Outlook to attach native files rather than the winmail.dat file. Steve Thomas Can you point me in the right direction to change my Outlook to send native files? I can't seem to find it in the help files. Thanks, Roger Do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution




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