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1. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Found it! (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Found it! (Dan Billingsley)
3. 03:26 PM - Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator (Robert Borger)
4. 04:13 PM - Re: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator (Jay Hyde)
5. 05:41 PM - Re: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator (rayj)
6. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Found it! (Dan Billingsley)
7. 08:03 PM - PMAG (Tim Andres)
8. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: Found it! (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 09:42 PM - Re: PMAG (B Tomm)
10. 09:59 PM - Re: PMAG (Tim Andres)
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At 09:52 PM 5/29/2012, you wrote:
>
>From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:31 PM
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Found it!
>
>At 09:14 PM 5/29/2012, you wrote:
>>Found this thread on
>>VansAirforce http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=17882
>>It looks like this is a common problem with the Garmin 396.
>>Dan
>
> Okay, where does the 396 get power ground. Try grounding it
> to the same place all the audio-lo or shield grounds get
> connected.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>Will take another look Bob. Thanks
Just dug up the manual on the 396. I'm 99% certain
that this is a ground loop problem. The telling
symptom is alternator noise that increases with
ship's loads when substantial currents travel over
the airframe. I'll bet if you move the Garmin
DC(-) lead to the same ground as all the avionics/
audio system grounds, the noise will go away.
Bob . . .
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=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "Robert L. Nuckolls,
III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:56 AM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
Re: Found it!=0A =0A=0AAt 09:52 PM 5/29/2012, you wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A>=0A
>From: "Robert L.=0ANuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>=0A>=0A>T
o: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>=0A>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:31
PM=0A>=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Found it!=0A>=0A>=0A>At 09:1
4 PM 5/29/2012, you=0Awrote:=0A>Found this thread on VansAirforce-=0Ahttp
://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=17882 =0A>>It looks li
ke this is a common problem with the Garmin 396. =0A>>Dan=0A>=0A>- Okay,
where does the 396 get power ground. Try grounding=0Ait=0A>=0A>- to the s
ame place all the audio-lo or shield grounds get=0A>=0A>- connected.=0A>
=0A>=0A>=0A>- Bob . . . =0A>=0A>=0A>Will take another look Bob.=0AThanks
=0A=0A- Just dug up the manual on the 396. I'm 99% certain=0A- that thi
s is a ground loop problem. The telling=0A- symptom is alternator noise t
hat increases with=0A- ship's loads when substantial currents travel over
=0A- the airframe. I'll bet if you move the Garmin=0A- DC(-) lead to th
e same ground as all the avionics/=0A- audio system grounds, the noise wi
ll go away.=0A=0A- Bob . . . =0AOK, I won't be able to get to the airport
for a couple days, but I will play with the ground wires then and report b
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| Subject: | Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke Electronic to
allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6 voltage regulators.
They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968 that they
require written permission for export to the United States.
I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but do not know
how to go about it.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
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| Subject: | Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
I'm going to send out the same message that I sent to the Rotax list, in
response to Bob, just for your amusement, and perhaps edification...
Here it is:
Hah, the world is full of such idiosyncrasies. Try getting something out of
Zeftronics in the US. Took me around 6 months to get a generator regulator
from them; it arrived last week and I am too terrified to look at the
details of it in case I ordered the wrong one- my client will castrate me.
And there I thought that Germany was a service desert...
How about trying what the rest of the world does when trying to buy
something from Itunes? Lie. You can only buy stuff from Itunes if you are
in the US, so the rest of us create fictitious email addresses that seem to
originate in the US and get on with buying what we desire. Of course, being
from third world countries that very few people in the US have heard of,
much less place, we immediately sell the tunes on the black market. Hmm,
not really. And, in defence of the US (which I am not entirely comfortable
with doing; you did re-elect dubyah, and you still use that antiquated
imperial system that stuffs me around no end... ) I did not know where most
of the US cities were... or which states were what. But then I visited
some of them. And now I do know where some of them are. Especially
OSHKOSH! J
So, Bob, if you cannot figure a way around this, mail me directly. I, being
non-American ;-) , have a few friends in Europe who might be able to help
out by getting the item sent to them and sending it on to you.... even some
in Germany (but don't mention the war!) :o
Please someone tell me if this gets through; everytime that I send a reply
there is a deafening silence- what is that? Is it because I am from
somewhere in Africa (South Africa is in the south of Africa and is a country
in its own right - SOUTH AFRICA), or is it that no one wants to talk to me
because our idiot president has his d**k all over the net?
Jay
>From Johannesburg (apparently one of the most dangerous cities in the world)
(crap- its an amazing metropolis that's even sexier than Cape Town- with
less stoned people)
(actually, maybe more stoned people, but WAY more interesting)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HH Enterprises
* Supply and installation of top class water filters
for your best drinking experience!
* Aircraft assembly, repair, wiring and avionics
* Flight instruction
* General and Electrical Engineering services
(NHD Elec Eng, BTech Elec Eng, GDE ELec Eng)
* Great dinner parties and conversation
* General adventuring, climbing, kayaking and living
Blog: www.rawhyde.wordpress.com
Cel: 083 300 8675
Email: jay@horriblehyde.com
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Borger
Sent: 31 May 2012 12:24 AM
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke Electronic
to allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6 voltage regulators.
They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968
that they require written permission for export to the United States.
I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but do
not know how to go about it.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
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| Subject: | Re: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
Jay,
I got your message! I think some people may not want to talk to you
because you're.....African. ;) Everyone else from Africa that writes
them is having problems getting money out and wants help!!!!
Or maybe not.
If you know any princes with bank problems, don't call me.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/30/2012 06:12 PM, Jay Hyde wrote:
> Im going to send out the same message that I sent to the Rotax list, in
> response to Bob, just for your amusement, and perhaps edification...
>
> Here it is:
>
> Hah, the world is full of such idiosyncrasies. Try getting something out
> of Zeftronics in the US. Took me around 6 months to get a generator
> regulator from them; it arrived last week and I am too terrified to look
> at the details of it in case I ordered the wrong one- my client will
> castrate me. And there I thought that Germany was a service desert...
>
> How about trying what the rest of the world does when trying to buy
> something from Itunes? Lie. You can only buy stuff from Itunes if you
> are in the US, so the rest of us create fictitious email addresses that
> seem to originate in the US and get on with buying what we desire. Of
> course, being from third world countries that very few people in the US
> have heard of, much less place, we immediately sell the tunes on the
> black market. Hmm, not really. And, in defence of the US (which I am not
> entirely comfortable with doing; you did re-elect dubyah, and you still
> use that antiquated imperial system that stuffs me around no end... ) I
> did not know where most of the US cities were... or which states were
> what. But then I visited some of them. And now I do know where some of
> them are. Especially OSHKOSH! J
>
> So, Bob, if you cannot figure a way around this, mail me directly. I,
> being non-American ;-) , have a few friends in Europe who might be able
> to help out by getting the item sent to them and sending it on to
> you.... even some in Germany (but dont mention the war!) :o
>
> Please someone tell me if this gets through; everytime that I send a
> reply there is a deafening silence- what is that? Is it because I am
> from somewhere in Africa (South Africa is in the south of Africa and is
> a country in its own right SOUTH AFRICA), or is it that no one wants
> to talk to me because our idiot president has his d**k all over the net?
>
> Jay
>
> From Johannesburg (apparently one of the most dangerous cities in the
> world)
>
> (crap- its an amazing metropolis thats even sexier than Cape Town- with
> less stoned people)
>
> (actually, maybe more stoned people, but WAY more interesting)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> *HH Enterprises ***
>
> * Supply and installation of top class water filters
>
> for your best drinking experience!
>
> * Aircraft assembly, repair, wiring and avionics
> * Flight instruction
> * General and Electrical Engineering services
>
> (NHD Elec Eng, BTech Elec Eng, GDE ELec Eng)
>
> * Great dinner parties and conversation
> * General adventuring, climbing, kayaking and living
>
> Blog: www.rawhyde.wordpress.com <http://www.rawhyde.wordpress.com>
>
> Cel: 083 300 8675
>
> Email: jay@horriblehyde.com <mailto:jay@horriblehyde.com>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> *From:*owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Robert Borger
> *Sent:* 31 May 2012 12:24 AM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com; rotaxengines-list@matronics.com;
> aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
>
> Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
>
> Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke
> Electronic to allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6
> voltage regulators.
>
> They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968
> that they require written permission for export to the United States.
>
> I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but
> do not know how to go about it.
>
> Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
>
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "Robert L. Nuckolls,
III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:31 PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re
: Found it!=0A =0A=0AAt 09:14 PM 5/29/2012, you wrote:=0A=0AFound this thre
ad on VansAirforce-=0Ahttp://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.ph
p?t=17882=0A>=0A>It looks like this is a common problem with the Garmin 3
96. =0A>=0A>Dan=0A> =0A- Okay, where does the 396 get power ground. Try g
rounding it=0A- to the same place all the audio-lo or shield grounds get
=0A- connected.=0A=0A=0A=0A- Bob . . . =0AI did get to the hanger today
and quickly pulled the wires out into the open that has the 3.5mm plug-
=0A(one that goes into the Garmin). Can you explain the lo / hi audio wire
thing. Am I to understand that-=0Athe lo is to be soldered to the ground?
This may be my goof as I-purchased this plug (which is stereo-=0Aand m
y intercom is not). I think I may have soldered the two wires to right and
left and the ground-=0Amight be left out in the cold. Will need to double
check, but I looked up the PM 1000 pin-out after I-=0Agot home so it may
be in the-soldering of that plug. I purchased the solderable mini plug i
n stereo-=0Aconfig as I wanted to hear the music / alerts in both sides o
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Hey gang, what grommet or gadget was being discussed to use on the wires end
s to the PMAG connector? I ended up using SD male
D-sub pins with the pin clipped off and just the crimp left over the wire. S
eems ok, but I don't get warm fuzzys from these connectors. Not at all....
Thanks, Tim
>
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Bob . . .
I did get to the hanger today and quickly pulled the wires out into
the open that has the 3.5mm plug
(one that goes into the Garmin). Can you explain the lo / hi audio wire thing.
In a monophonic audio cable with 3.5 mm plug, the tip is
connected to the signal/center/hi lead, the sleeve is
connected to the shield/ground/lo lead.
A stereo cable adds another free conductor and the
two signal wires become right and left audio. The
shield/ground/lo lead still connects to the sleeve.
The larger analogy can be seen on a legacy microphone
connector
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
Am I to understand that
the lo is to be soldered to the ground? This may be my goof as I
purchased this plug (which
is stereo and my intercom is not). I think I may have soldered the
two wires to right and left and the ground
might be left out in the cold. Will need to double check, but I
looked up the PM 1000 pin-out after I
got home so it may be in the soldering of that plug. I purchased the
solderable mini plug in stereo
config as I wanted to hear the music / alerts in both sides of headset.
I'm confused. If you have stereo headsets, then you would
need to install 3-circuit jacks and tie both r/l audio
from headset together to be treated as a mono headset.
This is the only place you would use a 3-ckt jack.
The PM1000 MUSIC IN is monophonic which would required
blending r/l channels together BEFORE wiring the blend
into pin 20 and the lo/gnd side to pin 7.
Emacs!
This would call for a 2-ckt plug to do the mate up between
the Garmin and the PS1000. And just for grins, I'd use
pin 7 of the PS1000 for BOTH audio ground and DC power
ground for the Garmin.
http://tinyurl.com/7ypuofg
Emacs!
Unless you have stereo audio to handle, a simple 2-ckt plug/jack
combination will suffice. The mis-application of the 3-ckt jack
may indeed be contributing to your problem.
Bob . . .
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I ordered wire ferrules from McMasterCarr for the Pmag connections. See
http://www.mcmaster.com/#lug-terminals/=hrnvdt
Bevan
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Andres
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: PMAG
Hey gang, what grommet or gadget was being discussed to use on the wires
ends to the PMAG connector? I ended up using SD male
D-sub pins with the pin clipped off and just the crimp left over the wire.
Seems ok, but I don't get warm fuzzys from these connectors. Not at all....
Thanks, Tim
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Ok thanks! I'll give them a try.
Tim
Sent from my iPad
On May 30, 2012, at 9:39 PM, "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net> wrote:
> I ordered wire ferrules from McMasterCarr for the Pmag connections. See
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#lug-terminals/=hrnvdt
>
> Bevan
>
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelect
ric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Andres
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:03 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: PMAG
>
> Hey gang, what grommet or gadget was being discussed to use on the wires e
nds to the PMAG connector? I ended up using SD male
> D-sub pins with the pin clipped off and just the crimp left over the wire.
Seems ok, but I don't get warm fuzzys from these connectors. Not at all...
.
> Thanks, Tim
>
>
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