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1. 06:37 AM - Re: For Sale: Garmin GPSMAP 195 (Steve Thomas)
2. 06:51 AM - Re: Resistor for LR3C-14 and CML LED indicator for low voltage (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 08:16 AM - Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? (D L Josephson)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? (Kelly McMullen)
5. 10:03 AM - AW: For Sale: Garmin GPSMAP 195 (A. Buess - Aviatik)
6. 11:36 AM - Re: portable gps (jan)
7. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: Garmin GPSMAP 195 |
See Ebay item number 170882659634. Or, click here:
http://tinyurl.com/cn5hrve
Steve Thomas
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On Jul 23, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Dennis Roche wrote:
> What is your price,I have a Cub with no electrical. How long will the
battery last ? I need something soon.
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> From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:26 PM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: For Sale: Garmin GPSMAP 195
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> I've had this unit in the shelf for a while and am not using it. It
is in very good condition, with a carry case, yoke mount and 12v power
cable, serial cable for database downloads, external antenna. Listed on
ebay as item number 170882659634.
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| Subject: | Re: Resistor for LR3C-14 and CML LED indicator for |
low voltage
>What I don't know and could use some direction on, is since my LED
>module already has built in resistor, which resistor do I add to the
>circuit to keep the LED from illuminating at all times? Or do I
>still use both? Same values? I have not found a schematic for the
>CML device anyplace to help shed any light on the subject.
Just wire a 470 ohm resistor in parallel with your
lamp fixture. It's not terribly important were
that resistor is located . . . it can be inside
across the LED or across the LED-resistor string
inside your fixture.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? |
I wrote earlier
>> The TSO (required to meet "approved" under FAR 91.207) generally includes
>> the antenna supplied by the ELT mfr, so any modification would void the
>> TSO. You'd have to check with Ameri-King. Bending the antenna is probably
>> not a problem. It would not be a good idea to solder on an extension,
>> mainly because many ELT antennas are physically shorter than quarter-wave
>> due to the presence of loading coils, and you too would be modifying TSO'd
>> equipment without approval. As the inspector, are you equipped to measure
>> the radiated output in accordance with 91.207 (d)(4)?
Sorry, there should have been more detail. The point is that the FAR's
don't specify how to measure radiated output. Maybe it's in the
manufacturer's instructions, maybe not, in which case you're on your
own... different shops use different methods like using a portable radio
with no antenna or a remote receiver to see whether there is "sufficient
signal radiated from its antenna."
But check with Ameri-King, the shortened antenna may be factory length.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? |
The requirements are in the TSO. The FARs require compliance with the
TSO. TSO approval is on the transmitter with antenna, which prevents
substitution with anything but identical antenna or one the manufacturer
has determined to perform identically.
On 7/24/2012 8:14 AM, D L Josephson wrote:
> Sorry, there should have been more detail. The point is that the FAR's
> don't specify how to measure radiated output. Maybe it's in the
> manufacturer's instructions, maybe not, in which case you're on your
> own... different shops use different methods like using a portable
> radio with no antenna or a remote receiver to see whether there is
> "sufficient signal radiated from its antenna."
> But check with Ameri-King, the shortened antenna may be factory length.
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> David
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| Subject: | For Sale: Garmin GPSMAP 195 |
Hi Dennis,
I have a Garmin 195 that I don't need any more. I is driven by a standard AA
battery pack. With all accessories. Contact me off-line at ykibuess@
bluewin.ch if you are interested.
Alfred
Von: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Dennis
Roche
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Juli 2012 04:59
An: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: AeroElectric-List: For Sale: Garmin GPSMAP 195
What is your price,I have a Cub with no electrical. How long will the
battery last ? I need something soon.
From: Steve Thomas < <mailto:lists@stevet.net> lists@stevet.net>
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: For Sale: Garmin GPSMAP 195
I've had this unit in the shelf for a while and am not using it. It is in
very good condition, with a carry case, yoke mount and 12v power cable,
serial cable for database downloads, external antenna. Listed on ebay as
item number 170882659634.
Steve Thomas
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<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List>
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Bob,
If you post a "I Want to Buy" over at the Vans forum you might be able to
find one that someone are selling - That is how I got mine a few months back
- Two people contact me who had one for sale.
You can still get update for the map from Garmin - a bit hard to find on the
Garmin site ... You need to open a free account first .. Also make sure you
get a RS232 cable so you can upload the map update.
Jan
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
Sent: 23 July 2012 23:57
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: portable gps
i checked out the pilot 3 and it looks like just what i need. now to find
one.
bob noffs
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 4:44 PM, JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton@btopenworld.com
<mailto:jmtipton@btopenworld.com> > wrote:
How about this: http://www.airspaceaware.com/products/devices/awaregps/
<http://www.airspaceaware.com/products/devices/awaregps/>
Best regards
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan <mailto:jan@CLAVER.DEMON.CO.UK>
<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: portable gps
What about Garmin Pilot III ?
All the best
Jan
On 23 Jul 2012, at 14:29, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com
<mailto:icubob@gmail.com> > wrote:
hi all, can anyone recommend a SMALL handheld gps that either has an
aviation database or could accept a download? this would be my backup. i
have a garmin 195 ''handheld'' that is as big as a house. i mean something
as small as an ''e- trex'', or even the size of the old garmin 12's.
bob noffs
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who had
one for sale.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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free account first .. Also make sure you get a RS232 cable so you can
upload
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On 23 Jul 2012, at 14:29, bob noffs <<a
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has an
aviation database or could accept a download? this would be my backup.
i have a
garmin 195 ''handheld'' that is as big as a house. i mean something as
small as
an ''e- trex'', or even the size of the old garmin
12's.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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| Subject: | Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? |
David, The antenna has definitely been hacked off. I have an identical
Ameri-King ELT on my personal airplane and it is about 7 to 8 inches longer
and has a ball end, no saw marks of ragged shrink tubing.
I called the Wichita FSDO and got the answer. I can replace the antenna for
the owner with an unaltered correct one, or I can get a ferry permit to fly
it home to him and he can deal with it.
On the sufficient signal strength, the rule is basically there to require a
check to see that the antenna is indeed radiating, i.e. connected properly
to the radio. Get your hand held, tune to 121.5, activate the ELT, see that
you get a signal on the hand held, and your done.
The inspector was kind enough to suggest a local shop that might have an
antenna, Bevan Rabell, and the good folks there are trying to help.
Thanks Guys,
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>wrote:
> kellym@aviating.com>
>
> The requirements are in the TSO. The FARs require compliance with the TSO.
> TSO approval is on the transmitter with antenna, which prevents
> substitution with anything but identical antenna or one the manufacturer
> has determined to perform identically.
>
>
> On 7/24/2012 8:14 AM, D L Josephson wrote:
>
>> Sorry, there should have been more detail. The point is that the FAR's
>> don't specify how to measure radiated output. Maybe it's in the
>> manufacturer's instructions, maybe not, in which case you're on your own...
>> different shops use different methods like using a portable radio with no
>> antenna or a remote receiver to see whether there is "sufficient signal
>> radiated from its antenna."
>> But check with Ameri-King, the shortened antenna may be factory length.
>>
>> David
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