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1. 02:40 AM - Re: Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? (Stuart Hutchison)
2. 04:35 AM - Unapproved ELT antenna? (Owen Baker)
3. 05:50 AM - Re: Resistor for LR3C-14 and CML LED indicator for low voltage (pmnewlon)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? (Richard Girard)
5. 08:49 AM - Re: Resistor for LR3C-14 and CML LED indicator for low voltage (Radold)
6. 04:41 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/20/12 (larry Severson)
7. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/20/12 (Bob McCallum)
8. 08:59 PM - fueling-created static discharge prevention (Paul Millner)
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| Subject: | Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? |
Hi Rick,
I appreciate that 121.5 radiation is a measure of success, but not sure if
you guys are talking about a 406 beacon.
You're best not to transmit live without approval ... otherwise, in no time
at all (one 406 data burst) you will have triggered a DISTRESS phase at the
RCC.
Kind regards, Stu
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Girard
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Unapproved ELT antenna?
David, The antenna has definitely been hacked off. I have an identical
Ameri-King ELT on my personal airplane and it is about 7 to 8 inches longer
and has a ball end, no saw marks of ragged shrink tubing.
I called the Wichita FSDO and got the answer. I can replace the antenna for
the owner with an unaltered correct one, or I can get a ferry permit to fly
it home to him and he can deal with it.
On the sufficient signal strength, the rule is basically there to require a
check to see that the antenna is indeed radiating, i.e. connected properly
to the radio. Get your hand held, tune to 121.5, activate the ELT, see that
you get a signal on the hand held, and your done.
The inspector was kind enough to suggest a local shop that might have an
antenna, Bevan Rabell, and the good folks there are trying to help.
Thanks Guys,
Rick Girard
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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
wrote:
<kellym@aviating.com>
The requirements are in the TSO. The FARs require compliance with the TSO.
TSO approval is on the transmitter with antenna, which prevents substitution
with anything but identical antenna or one the manufacturer has determined
to perform identically.
On 7/24/2012 8:14 AM, D L Josephson wrote:
Sorry, there should have been more detail. The point is that the FAR's don't
specify how to measure radiated output. Maybe it's in the manufacturer's
instructions, maybe not, in which case you're on your own... different shops
use different methods like using a portable radio with no antenna or a
remote receiver to see whether there is "sufficient signal radiated from its
antenna."
But check with Ameri-King, the shortened antenna may be factory length.
David
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| Subject: | Unapproved ELT antenna? |
7/25/2012
Hello Rick, You wrote: ....or I can get a ferry permit to fly it home to
him and he can deal with it.
Either one of two provisions of the FARs already give permission to fly that
airplane to the owners home field without the need for the paperwork of a
ferry permit. See here:
91.207 Emergency locator transmitters.
(e) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, a person may
(2) Ferry an airplane with an inoperative emergency locator transmitter from
a place where repairs or replacements cannot be made to a place where they
can be made."
or 91.207 (f)
"(10) An aircraft during any period for which the transmitter has been
temporarily removed for inspection, repair, modification, or replacement,
subject to the following:
(i) No person may operate the aircraft unless the aircraft records contain
an entry which includes the date of initial removal, the make, model, serial
number, and reason for removing the transmitter, and a placard located in
view of the pilot to show ELT not installed.
(ii) No person may operate the aircraft more than 90 days after the ELT is
initially removed from the aircraft;..."
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to gather
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Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Unapproved ELT antenna?
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
David, The antenna has definitely been hacked off. I have an identical
Ameri-King ELT on my personal airplane and it is about 7 to 8 inches longer
and has a ball end, no saw marks of ragged shrink tubing.
I called the Wichita FSDO and got the answer. I can replace the antenna for
the owner with an unaltered correct one, or I can get a ferry permit to fly
it home to him and he can deal with it.
On the sufficient signal strength, the rule is basically there to require a
check to see that the antenna is indeed radiating, i.e. connected properly
to the radio. Get your hand held, tune to 121.5, activate the ELT, see that
you get a signal on the hand held, and your done.
The inspector was kind enough to suggest a local shop that might have an
antenna, Bevan Rabell, and the good folks there are trying to help.
Thanks Guys,
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Resistor for LR3C-14 and CML LED indicator for |
low voltage
Thank you Bob!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379147#379147
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| Subject: | Re: Unapproved ELT antenna? |
Stu, The following are excerpts from AIM section 6-2-5, Emergency Locator
Transmitter (ELT), dealing with testing, false alarms, and reporting.
Testing
1. ELTs should be tested in accordance with the manufacturer's
instructions. This should be done, preferably, in a shielded or screened
room or specially designed test container to prevent the broadcast of
signals, which could trigger a false alert.
2. When this cannot be done, aircraft operational testing is authorized as
follows:
(a) *Analog 121.5/243 MHz ELTs should only be tested during the first
five minutes* after any hour. If operational tests must be made outside of
this period, they should be coordinated with the nearest FAA Control Tower
or Flight Ser-vice Station. Tests should be no longer than three audible
weeps. If the antenna is removable, a dummy load should be substituted
during test procedures.
(b) *Digital 406 MHz ELTs should only be tested in accordance with the
unit's manufacturer's instructions.*
(c) Airborne tests are not authorized.
Rick
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Stuart Hutchison <
stuart@stuarthutchison.com.au> wrote:
> **
> Hi Rick,
>
> I appreciate that 121.5 radiation is a measure of success, but not sure if
> you guys are talking about a 406 beacon.
>
> You're best not to transmit live without approval ... otherwise, in no
> time at all (one 406 data burst) you will have triggered a DISTRESS phase
> at the RCC.
>
>
> Kind regards, Stu******
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Girard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:21 AM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Unapproved ELT antenna?
>
> David, The antenna has definitely been hacked off. I have an identical
> Ameri-King ELT on my personal airplane and it is about 7 to 8 inches longer
> and has a ball end, no saw marks of ragged shrink tubing.
> I called the Wichita FSDO and got the answer. I can replace the antenna
> for the owner with an unaltered correct one, or I can get a ferry permit to
> fly it home to him and he can deal with it.
> On the sufficient signal strength, the rule is basically there to require
> a check to see that the antenna is indeed radiating, i.e. connected
> properly to the radio. Get your hand held, tune to 121.5, activate the ELT,
> see that you get a signal on the hand held, and your done.
> The inspector was kind enough to suggest a local shop that might have an
> antenna, Bevan Rabell, and the good folks there are trying to help.
>
> Thanks Guys,
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>wrote:
>
>> kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>> The requirements are in the TSO. The FARs require compliance with the
>> TSO. TSO approval is on the transmitter with antenna, which prevents
>> substitution with anything but identical antenna or one the manufacturer
>> has determined to perform identically.
>>
>>
>> On 7/24/2012 8:14 AM, D L Josephson wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, there should have been more detail. The point is that the FAR's
>>> don't specify how to measure radiated output. Maybe it's in the
>>> manufacturer's instructions, maybe not, in which case you're on your own...
>>> different shops use different methods like using a portable radio with no
>>> antenna or a remote receiver to see whether there is "sufficient signal
>>> radiated from its antenna."
>>> But check with Ameri-King, the shortened antenna may be factory length.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Resistor for LR3C-14 and CML LED indicator for |
low voltage
pmnewlon wrote:
> Thank you Bob!
Thanks a lot bob. I followed your advice and my LED lights are working perfectly
now.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379158#379158
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/20/12 |
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/20/12 |
Does this message have any meaning or is it just mail box spam?????
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Bob McC
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> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of larry Severson
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:40 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 6 Msgs -
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<larry2@socal.rr.com>
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> On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:56 PM, AeroElectric-List Digest Server
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> list@matronics.com> wrote:
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formatted
> > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> > of the AeroElectric-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
editor
> > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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> > 2. 01:10 PM - Re: troubleshooting help needed (Bill Bradburry)
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| Subject: | fueling-created static discharge prevention |
On 7/10/2012 11:37 AM, bob noffs wrote:
> lately i have been filling my plane out of 5 gal. plastic cans and i
> am finding it not too time consuming. the biggest reason is higher
> octane mogas than i can get at the airport.
> anyway.............i need some advice on grounding.i have a 12 volt
> pump mounted and it is powered by a battery 20 feet away. i have a
> handheld switch . i set the plastic can on the table and fuel is
> transferred thru vinyl tubing. at the airplane end is a metal filter.
> pumps a gallon a minute. i plan to set up a ground to the exhaust pipe
> [all tanks are grounded to the engine] but i do not know how to
> ground the pump or hoses. any advice would be appreciated.
Hi Bob,
Technically, it's BONDING you're interested in... grounding isn't much
important unless you've experiencing lightening...
You need some metal screen at the 'can', a conductive hose (run a copper
wire through it that's the best you can do) and a connection at the tank
inlet on the airplane. All those nee to be bonded together electrically.
Paul
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