---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/10/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:30 AM - Re: How to Select a Scope (Ken) 2. 06:00 PM - B&C 505-1 (chris Sinfield) 3. 07:31 PM - Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Michael Burbidge) 4. 07:48 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Robert Borger) 5. 08:02 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:44 AM PST US From: Ken Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: How to Select a Scope Jeff While a logic analyser was very helpful with non microcontroller logic circuitry I have not needed one since switching to playing with micros. Note that I'm just a hobbyist. I picked up a Velleman PCS100 multipurpose unit once that interfaces to a parallel printer port. After playing for less than an hour I put it back in the box and it has sat on the shelf undisturbed ever since. The software seemed pretty good but the logistics of needing a computer plus the scope plus AC power made it rather cumbersome and it was slow compared to a $300. (at the time) digital scope from saelig.com. I still may need a booster battery pack + inverter to use the saelig scope anywhere other than my bench but at least those are small rugged components that I usually have handy anyway. I now assume that anything that interfaces with a computer has a life of only a few years due to computer and operating system upgrades etc. that eventually increase the hassle factor too high compared to replacing the unit. Simplicity is important for occasional hobbyist use. Anyway don't underestimate the value of a stand alone (possibly hand held) scope. I avoid anything with non standard rechargeable batteries though. Speed is important for tracking down a glitch involving a spike at the corner of a digital signal but for me that is a rare need with microcontrollers. Usually I'm just looking for the correct polarity, phase, voltage, or frequency if that makes sense to you. Ken do not archive On 10/08/2012 12:40 AM, Jeff Luckey wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Luckey" > > Thanks for all responses. Most have dealt w/ actual O-scopes. > > What about scope/analyzers that connect to a computer via USB for control& > display? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 19:34 > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: How to Select a Scope > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken > > saelig.com is worth a look for value. I have an older PDS5022S which is > about all I need for playing with microcontrollers etc. > > Ken > > do not archive > > > On 09/08/2012 4:02 PM, Jeff Luckey wrote: >> I've been considering purchasing an oscilloscope for >> hobby/trouble-shooting use. It's been 30+ years since I've fiddled with >> scopes. I'm looking for counseling/guidance/recommendations. >> >> Some things I want to do: >> >> 1. Analyze the output of the crank angle sensor in my car - (currently >> having some starting problems, but I digress) >> 2. I like to program micro-controllers and would like to do >> trouble-shooting& analysis >> 3. Look at the wave-forms produced by an alternator >> 4. Get the best bang for the buck >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. I see devises advertised that are combo oscilloscope& logic >> analyzer. Are these as cool as they appear? >> 2. How do I decide which frequency range I need? (It seems the higher >> the MHz rating of a device the higher the cost) Most of the >> micro-controllers that I work with are clocked around 4 MHz. I once >> heard that the rating of the scope should be 10x the signal you want >> to analyze. Is that true? >> 3. What other criteria should I consider? >> >> As always TIA, I look forward to learning something >> >> Jeff Luckey ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:06 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: B&C 505-1 From: "chris Sinfield" Hi All I bought ages ago a PM/OV Filter and OV Protection Kit (14v) that I intended to fit to my Jab 3300. Now I have come to the fitting end and wonder if it is still the right part for my Single Phase Jab 20 AMP PM?? as the wiring shows it for a 3 Phase one.. Can someone confirm if this is the correct kit for my new jab? from their site This 14 volt kit provides crucial over-voltage protection to our permanent magnet alternator (BC433-H) and others rated at 30 amps or below. Comes with a clear-yellow warning light that will illuminate if the crowbar over-voltage protection module is tripped (or when the alternator switch is left off), and a filter capacitor to reduce radio noise and enhance regulation. Thanks Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380623#380623 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:48 PM PST US From: Michael Burbidge Subject: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire. Thanks, Michael- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:59 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... Michael, Harbor Freight has a hydraulic crimper that does the job. http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (H) 940-497-2123 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2012, at 20:30, Michael Burbidge wrote: I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire. Thanks, Michael- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:22 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... Works great, but do NOT go by the wire size markings on the various crimping dies...they are WAY off the mark. (or at least were on my unit) -James -----Original Message----- From: Robert Borger Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... Michael, Harbor Freight has a hydraulic crimper that does the job. http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (H) 940-497-2123 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2012, at 20:30, Michael Burbidge wrote: I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire. 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