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1. 03:26 AM - Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Glen Matejcek)
2. 04:05 AM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Jared Yates)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: B&C 505-1 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 12:10 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Bill Watson)
7. 01:55 PM - Re: B&C 505-1 (chris Sinfield)
8. 03:18 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (rayj)
9. 03:42 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Richard Girard)
10. 03:44 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Richard Girard)
11. 07:30 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Richard Girard)
12. 09:05 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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| Subject: | Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... |
Hi Michael-
I went to a local welding supply house to have them do it. The guy there pointed
out he'd have to charge me $10 per crimp, and for the same 10 bucks I could
by a hammer-driven die. It's about 2" x 3" x 5", IIRC, is conceptually similar
to a cigar tip cutting guillotine (whatever you actually call those things),
will crimp terminals to any of the really fat wires, and mounts to a bench,
bumper, or in a vise. You could probably use it sitting on concrete, but that
would be a little gutsy.
Put the wire end ass'y into the device, whack it with a small sledge a few times
(until the built-in gauge says you're done) and you're all set. Dirt simple,
very effective, and about the cheapest airplane tool I've ever bought.
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire...
>I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the contractors
>to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant to be crimped or
>soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough to handle 4 awg. B&C
>only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire.
Glen Matejcek
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg |
wire...
I've got one of those wack-types that I'd like to get rid of. I wasn't happy with
the results, but perhaps someone else coudl do better. I anyone is in the market
for one, send me a note.
On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:24, Glen Matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael-
>
> I went to a local welding supply house to have them do it. The guy there pointed
out he'd have to charge me $10 per crimp, and for the same 10 bucks I could
by a hammer-driven die. It's about 2" x 3" x 5", IIRC, is conceptually similar
to a cigar tip cutting guillotine (whatever you actually call those things),
will crimp terminals to any of the really fat wires, and mounts to a bench,
bumper, or in a vise. You could probably use it sitting on concrete, but that
would be a little gutsy.
>
> Put the wire end ass'y into the device, whack it with a small sledge a few times
(until the built-in gauge says you're done) and you're all set. Dirt simple,
very effective, and about the cheapest airplane tool I've ever bought.
>
>
>
>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg
wire...
>
>
>> I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the contractors
>> to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant to be crimped
or
>> soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough to handle 4 awg. B&C
>> only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire.
>
>
> Glen Matejcek
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg |
wire...
At 09:30 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:
>
>I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the
>contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C
>meant to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a
>crimper big enough to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle
>up to 10 awg wire.
>
>Thanks,
>Michael-
Crimp tools for the larger terminals are
pretty pricey. Further, most airplanes will
need only a handful of large terminals. Consider
soldering un-insulated terminals and dressing
out with heat shrink. See:
http://tinyurl.com/9pbvky8
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg |
wire...
At 06:05 AM 8/11/2012, you wrote:
>
>I've got one of those wack-types that I'd like to get rid of. I
>wasn't happy with the results, but perhaps someone else coudl do
>better. I anyone is in the market for one, send me a note.
The problem with beat-n-bash crimpers is lack
of verification for having achieved a gas-tight
joint.
See:
http://tinyurl.com/8vk6sxc
http://tinyurl.com/93yweyd
Without vetting the marriage of wire-to-terminal-to-tool,
the easiest way to maximize copper in the wire grip is
to stuff wire-wedges into the matrix and then fill all
voids with free-flow of an electronic grade 63/37 solder.
Works good, lasts a long time.
Bob . . .
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At 07:58 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Hi All
I bought ages ago a PM/OV Filter and OV Protection Kit (14v) that I
intended to fit to my Jab 3300.
Now I have come to the fitting end and wonder if it is still the
right part for my Single Phase Jab 20 AMP PM?? as the wiring shows it
for a 3 Phase one..
Can someone confirm if this is the correct kit for my new jab?
From their site:
This 14 volt kit provides crucial over-voltage protection to our
permanent magnet alternator (BC433-H) and others rated at 30 amps or
below. Comes with a clear-yellow warning light that will illuminate
if the crowbar over-voltage protection module is tripped (or when the
alternator switch is left off), and a filter capacitor to reduce
radio noise and enhance regulation.
Thanks
Chris
This kit is applicable to any PM alternator.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 |
awg wire...
I soldered the 4 or 5 big wire terminals in my project and it all worked
very well per Bob's tutorial below. In particular, the stuffing of the
barrel with copper wedges was a key detail. Did mine with a 25 year
old Weller soldering gun.
Bill
On 8/11/2012 8:24 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 09:30 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:
>> <mburbidg@gmail.com>
>>
>> I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the
>> contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C
>> meant to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper
>> big enough to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle up to 10
>> awg wire.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael-
>
> Crimp tools for the larger terminals are
> pretty pricey. Further, most airplanes will
> need only a handful of large terminals. Consider
> soldering un-insulated terminals and dressing
> out with heat shrink. See:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9pbvky8
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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Thanks Bob.
I got abut worried when I realised it also was for a 3 phase system.
Chris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380681#380681
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 |
awg wire...
Greetings,
I know crimp and then solder is frowned upon as unnecessary. I was
wondering if there was a problem with crimping with a whack-type, to
tighten up the strands in the terminal(instead of wedging) and then
soldering. Seems less fussy if you already have the beat-n-bash
crimper, or if you have several to do.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 08/11/2012 07:29 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 06:05 AM 8/11/2012, you wrote:
>> <email@jaredyates.com>
>>
>> I've got one of those wack-types that I'd like to get rid of. I wasn't
>> happy with the results, but perhaps someone else coudl do better. I
>> anyone is in the market for one, send me a note.
>
> The problem with beat-n-bash crimpers is lack
> of verification for having achieved a gas-tight
> joint.
>
> See:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8vk6sxc
>
> http://tinyurl.com/93yweyd
>
> Without vetting the marriage of wire-to-terminal-to-tool,
> the easiest way to maximize copper in the wire grip is
> to stuff wire-wedges into the matrix and then fill all
> voids with free-flow of an electronic grade 63/37 solder.
> Works good, lasts a long time.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg |
wire...
The wire size markings on the Harbor Freight crimper are not only mismarked
but the make a crappy crimp when you do get them to sort of work.
With Amp #4 solder on terminals I have had success with the "G" (5/32")
Nico sleeve swager on my GCMP (1/16 to 5/32) tool. I hit it three times the
same way I would a Nico sleeve so that there is a slight bubble between
each and it worked great. Afterward I used three brushed on coats of enamel
paint to seal everything up followed by glue lined heat shrink tubing (your
basic belt and suspenders approach). Four years and no sign of corrosion on
the open end.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, <berkut13@berkut13.com> wrote:
>
> Works great, but do NOT go by the wire size markings on the various
> crimping dies...they are WAY off the mark. (or at least were on my unit)
> -James
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Borger
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:48 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.**com <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to
> 4 awg wire...
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Harbor Freight has a hydraulic crimper that does the job.
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/**hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-**66150.html<http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html>
>
> Best regards,
> Robert Borger, President
> Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
> Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> (H) 940-497-2123
> (C) 817-992-1117
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 20:30, Michael Burbidge <mburbidg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> mburbidg@gmail.com>
>
> I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the
> contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant
> to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough
> to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael-
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg |
wire...
Didn't mean to be rude, our 19 year old cat stepped on the keyboard and
sent the post for me.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> The wire size markings on the Harbor Freight crimper are not only
> mismarked but the make a crappy crimp when you do get them to sort of work.
> With Amp #4 solder on terminals I have had success with the "G" (5/32")
> Nico sleeve swager on my GCMP (1/16 to 5/32) tool. I hit it three times the
> same way I would a Nico sleeve so that there is a slight bubble between
> each and it worked great. Afterward I used three brushed on coats of enamel
> paint to seal everything up followed by glue lined heat shrink tubing (your
> basic belt and suspenders approach). Four years and no sign of corrosion on
> the open end.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, <berkut13@berkut13.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Works great, but do NOT go by the wire size markings on the various
>> crimping dies...they are WAY off the mark. (or at least were on my unit)
>> -James
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Borger
>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:48 PM
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.**com <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to
>> 4 awg wire...
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Harbor Freight has a hydraulic crimper that does the job.
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/**hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-**66150.html<http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Robert Borger, President
>> Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
>> Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
>> (H) 940-497-2123
>> (C) 817-992-1117
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 20:30, Michael Burbidge <mburbidg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> mburbidg@gmail.com>
>>
>> I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the
>> contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant
>> to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough
>> to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg |
wire...
Okay, I caught my own mistake, the "G" swager is the 1/16", the "P" is the
5/32".
Rick
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Didn't mean to be rude, our 19 year old cat stepped on the keyboard and
> sent the post for me.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The wire size markings on the Harbor Freight crimper are not only
>> mismarked but the make a crappy crimp when you do get them to sort of work.
>> With Amp #4 solder on terminals I have had success with the "G" (5/32")
>> Nico sleeve swager on my GCMP (1/16 to 5/32) tool. I hit it three times the
>> same way I would a Nico sleeve so that there is a slight bubble between
>> each and it worked great. Afterward I used three brushed on coats of enamel
>> paint to seal everything up followed by glue lined heat shrink tubing (your
>> basic belt and suspenders approach). Four years and no sign of corrosion on
>> the open end.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, <berkut13@berkut13.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Works great, but do NOT go by the wire size markings on the various
>>> crimping dies...they are WAY off the mark. (or at least were on my unit)
>>> -James
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Borger
>>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:48 PM
>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.**com <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals"
>>> to 4 awg wire...
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Harbor Freight has a hydraulic crimper that does the job.
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/**hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-**66150.html<http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Robert Borger, President
>>> Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
>>> Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
>>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>>> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
>>> (H) 940-497-2123
>>> (C) 817-992-1117
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 20:30, Michael Burbidge <mburbidg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> mburbidg@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I'm using the "uninsulated ring terminals" for 4 awg wire from the
>>> contractors to my bus and alternator. Are the terminals sold by B&C meant
>>> to be crimped or soldered? If crimped where can I get a crimper big enough
>>> to handle 4 awg. B&C only sells ones that handle up to 10 awg wire.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michael-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
>> unhappy.
>> - Groucho Marx
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to |
4 awg wire...
At 05:16 PM 8/11/2012, you wrote:
>
>Greetings,
>
>I know crimp and then solder is frowned upon as unnecessary. I was
>wondering if there was a problem with crimping with a whack-type, to
>tighten up the strands in the terminal(instead of wedging) and then
>soldering. Seems less fussy if you already have the beat-n-bash
>crimper, or if you have several to do.
Can't imagine any 'problem' . . . just
curious as to your lack of confidence in
a demonstrably known process. Crimps properly
installed are good for the lifetime of the airplane.
So are soldered joints. I suppose there's
some confidence to be gained if your soldering
or crimping skills are questionable.
It seems more practical to become good at
one if not both processes. I own a drawer full
of crimp tools and perhaps a half dozen different
soldering systems. This gives me broad options
for many combinations of wire, terminal and tool.
But to use both techniques on a single installation
adds no value unless you're unsure about either
process. Getting good at one or both is always
better than "stacking" processes because you are
not-so-good at either.
Would you run a line of screws and nuts down the
edge of a wing skin because you were not so good
at setting rivets?
Bob . . .
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