---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/12/12: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:44 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (rayj) 2. 10:24 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 11:42 PM - Re: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... (Stuart Hutchison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:08 PM PST US From: rayj Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... Greetings, I wasn't describing stacking processes. I was suggesting that the process of "wedging" might be replaced by compressing the components together with a "whack-n-bash" tool. It would avoid the - find the wire - find the sharpening tool - strip - sharpen - drive - nip - process of wedging. Seems quicker and at least as repeatable as "wedging", if it doesn't introduce additional issues I'm not considering. Just wondering out loud. Thanks, Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN. "And you know that I could have me a million more friends, and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine On 08/11/2012 11:03 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > > At 05:16 PM 8/11/2012, you wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> I know crimp and then solder is frowned upon as unnecessary. I was >> wondering if there was a problem with crimping with a whack-type, to >> tighten up the strands in the terminal(instead of wedging) and then >> soldering. Seems less fussy if you already have the beat-n-bash >> crimper, or if you have several to do. > > Can't imagine any 'problem' . . . just > curious as to your lack of confidence in > a demonstrably known process. Crimps properly > installed are good for the lifetime of the airplane. > So are soldered joints. I suppose there's > some confidence to be gained if your soldering > or crimping skills are questionable. > > It seems more practical to become good at > one if not both processes. I own a drawer full > of crimp tools and perhaps a half dozen different > soldering systems. This gives me broad options > for many combinations of wire, terminal and tool. > > But to use both techniques on a single installation > adds no value unless you're unsure about either > process. Getting good at one or both is always > better than "stacking" processes because you are > not-so-good at either. > > Would you run a line of screws and nuts down the > edge of a wing skin because you were not so good > at setting rivets? > > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:55 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... At 02:41 PM 8/12/2012, you wrote: > >Greetings, > >I wasn't describing stacking processes. > >I was suggesting that the process of "wedging" might be replaced by >compressing the components together with a "whack-n-bash" tool. It >would avoid the - find the wire - find the sharpening tool - strip - >sharpen - drive - nip - process of wedging. Hmmm . . . understand. Yes, anything you do to minimize voids in the wire grip before soldering is a good thing to do. If copper 'wedging' is unattractive then reducing the cross section of the terminal barrel is another option. The wire for wedges is pretty easy. Most hardware stores will sell 14/2+ground house wire by the foot. Buy one foot and you'll have 3 feet of wedge material. It's pvc insulation and comes off easy with a pocket knife. I get sharp ends by cutting the pieces with the tool as close to parallel with the wire as it will permit. Pushing the wedges in can be done with the same pair of wire cutters. The last one will need to be driven . . . I use the wire cutter for that too. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:27 PM PST US From: "Stuart Hutchison" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Attaching "uninsulated ring terminals" to 4 awg wire... Hi guys, I haven't read all the posts on this thread ... please forgive me if I'm covering old ground. Not everyone's cup-o-tea, but you can make dies like this too. Just cut two bits of the same steel bar to length, hold them together in a vice, drill a big hole at the join from the top in one direction and a small hole from the side. Smooth the end of a rod or pin punch and there you have it, a decent die you can hold in the vice that will retain the shape of your terminal as you crimp away the void, prior to solder and heatshrink. 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