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1. 07:28 AM - Re: Mooney Alternator woes (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 07:59 AM - Re: Resuscitating the Tripplet 630 (user9253)
3. 05:40 PM - anderoid tablets (bob noffs)
4. 06:28 PM - Re: Resuscitating the Tripplet 630 (Henador Titzoff)
5. 09:51 PM - Re: anderoid tablets (jerb)
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| Subject: | Mooney Alternator woes |
Thanks - I joined both lists and have posted my question there.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mooney Alternator woes
--> <kellym@aviating.com>
There are a couple Mooney email lists that have experts that likely can
help, including factory tech support. The S model isn't all that old, so
there should be good info available.
Mapalist mailing list..which requires membership in MAPA.
Mapalist@lists.mooneypilots.com <mailto:Mapalist@lists.mooneypilots.com>
http://lists.mooneypilots.com/listinfo.cgi/mapalist-mooneypilots.com
<http://lists.mooneypilots.com/listinfo.cgi/mapalist-mooneypilots.com>
Mooney Tech list which is open to all:
http://lists.aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/mooney-tech,
mailto:mooney-tech-request@aviating.com?subject=subscribe
On 8/16/2012 6:44 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 08:27 AM 8/16/2012, you wrote:
> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> My hangar neighbor is trying to figure out why his alternator
> occasionally drops off line - requiring a weird reset sequence. He has
> to shut off the battery and field, then go to a low power setting and
> bring it back up again. Something about resetting an overvoltage
> protection device.
>
> It is an M20S with Cont 550 and gear driven alternator. The first
> regulator lasted only a couple of years before giving up the ghost and
> the replacement was a special from Mooney.
>
> My first line of thinking is to locate the regulator and test it.
> Nobody knows where it is hiding.
> (I'm in DC - the plane is in DE...I'll be home next weekend to help
> more.)
>
> Meanwhile, does anyone have an electronic copy of the Light Plane
> Maintenance article on troubleshooting alternators...and the Mooney
> M20S maintenance manual?
>
> If we can find it, I'm hoping that we can determine if the regulator
> is the culprit.
>
> If it takes a southern Slobovian switch-dance to
> bring it back on line, it's almost certain to be
> something electronic. Is the successful reset sequence
> something different than what is called for in the
> POH as a response to an OV trip?
>
> I've not had any contact with Mooney in 25+ years. I
> bid an alternator controller for them while at
> Electro-Mech . . . we didn't get the job. I think
> Electrodelta out of White Oak, TX got it. It would
> have been a Mooney-unique product. ED has changed
> hands and/or moved several times over the years.
> The guy who ran ED is still hanging around the
> Wichita area. He MIGHT be a resource for help
> wrestling with your problem.
>
> The LPM article is not likely to be much help. It
> will be VERY generic. If it were my airplane, I'd
> jeep another regulator in place of the original to
> see if the problem goes away. Given the rarity of
> that regulator, I'd probably go for a one-time
> STC to install something more contemporary and
> available. There's nothing magic about alternator
> controllers . . . only the institutionalized and
> market driven B.S. in which they reside.
>
> B&C regulators are used elsewhere on current production
> airplanes . . . the FAA might look kindly upon
> substitution of B&C product for what's already
> installed.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resuscitating the Tripplet 630 |
> I'm gonna have to side with Eric on this one. I think you guys are in a nostalgia
induced somnambulism that results in tons of worthless cr*p
> laying around the house. By worthless, I mean things that you will never
> use again. You'll just walk by it and admire it occasionally as you worm
> your way through the make shift aisles to the kitchen for yet another
> Ruben sandwich. Some people call it hoarding.
I think the above post was written with tongue in cheek. I thought it humorous.
As I make my way though the makeshift isles in my house to the garage, I have
to be careful not to knock over the nicknacks that my wife has sitting on every
available horizontal surface in the house. Talk about worthless stuff that
that some people might admire, but to me it is junk that is in the way. However,
the "STUFF" in my workshop is not junk, even though I do not use some of
it. There is the EICO Model 232 VTVM that I assembled from a kit way back in
the 60s. And of course there is the Simpson 260 and another analog meter and
5 digital meters of various capabilities. And there is a HeathKit capacitance
meter that I put together. One of the digital meters has taken over its duties.
Joe
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| Subject: | anderoid tablets |
hi all,
anyone had experience with the garmin app out now for anderoid o.s. ?
bob noffs
hope it is good as i just ordered the google nexus 7 especially to use
that app.
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| Subject: | Resuscitating the Tripplet 630 |
--- On-Sat, 8/25/12, Robert L. Nuckolls, III-<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric
.com>-wrote:
- - If this discussion was about applying modern
---materials and systems to a 1940's restoration,
---would you decry the effort as whipping a
---dead horse? As one of my heros, Richard Feynman
---suggested in the tile of his book, there is
---a lot of pleasure to be gained from finding
---things out.-
Of course you are correct that we should be free to choose what gives us th
e most pleasure in life. Certainly the Tripplet meters are great instrument
s; however, I was responding to the original sender's question about whethe
r it worth resuscitating the meter with a hard to find battery or go with a
newer meter for modern day usability. His question didn't talk about havin
g museum pieces on top of lab workbenches or collecting meters for the heck
of it. -He was concerned about what instrument to use for troubleshootin
g purposes today, not back in the 1950s-60s.
If I misunderstood the original question and/or offended anyone on this lis
t, I extend my apologies to these people.
I also think there is value in looking at vacuum tubes and other electronic
s as I believe it helps to understand all technologies; however, the days o
f simple vacuum tubes are over as far as I can tell. I now get very good in
sight on the electronics of today by using tools that allow me to "see" wha
t's going on with highly sophisticated electronic systems and products, I u
se PSpice, MG HyperLynx, Ansys HFSS and several vendors' HDL simulators to
get a darn good idea of what's going on where we can't visually see what's
going on. I believe I said it here before that all this black magic stuff m
ay be black magic to many, but to us guys who have these tools and know how
to use them, it's not. I even know guys who are way better than I am who d
on't need some of these tools. -For example, they know magnetic fields so
well they can "see" them without HFSS. Same with the guys who don't need P
Spice other than to prove to others are correct. These guys are few
and far between, but they're out there. Most of them are older like the Tr
ipplet meters, so I do understand to some degree why some contributors to t
his list admire Tripplets immensely.
I'm now like the previous contributor who said he wants to get back to herd
ing electrons, except I want to herd holes, too. Like him, this is my last
contribution to this thread.
Everyone have a great week!
Henador Titzoff
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| Subject: | Re: anderoid tablets |
Don't see the relevance of the question now since you already ordered
it before asking.
? ? ?
At 07:39 PM 8/26/2012, you wrote:
>hi all,
> anyone had experience with the garmin app out now for anderoid o.s. ?
> bob noffs
>
> hope it is good as i just ordered the google nexus 7 especially
> to use that app.
>
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