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Sat 09/15/12


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 02:18 AM - USB power socket (JOHN TIPTON)
     2. 02:39 AM - Re: USB power socket (Daniel Hooper)
     3. 02:41 AM - Re: USB power socket (Peter Pengilly)
     4. 02:54 AM - Re: USB power socket (Peter Pengilly)
     5. 03:49 AM - Re: Flap Control Schematic - will it work? (Sauli Aalto)
     6. 06:49 AM - Re: USB power socket (Robert Borger)
     7. 07:37 AM - Re: USB power socket (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     8. 10:36 AM - Re: Flap Control Schematic - will it work? (Lynn Cole)
     9. 04:56 PM - Nav/position light specs (Roger & Jean Curtis)
    10. 05:57 PM - Re: Nav/position light specs (Kelly McMullen)
    11. 08:40 PM - Re: Flap Control Schematic - will it work? (Nati Niv)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:18:13 AM PST US
    From: "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
    Subject: USB power socket
    Hi Is this what I need to mount a USB (power) outlet for my 12/14volt RV http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200816366519?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 Regards John


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    Time: 02:39:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: USB power socket
    From: Daniel Hooper <enginerdy@gmail.com>
    That should work. Of course, you'll need something to generate the regulated 5V supply. If you want a more main stream source, here's the mouser listing: http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=NAUSB-W Or for you, maybe the farnell uk listing is more appropriate: http://uk.farnell.com/neutrik/nausb-w/adaptor-usb/dp/1760681?Ntt=NAUSB-W You can also get the NAUSB-W-B, which is the black version. On Sep 15, 2012, at 4:16 AM, JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > Hi > > Is this what I need to mount a USB (power) outlet for my 12/14volt RV > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200816366519?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 > > Regards > > John > > > > >


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    Time: 02:41:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: USB power socket
    From: Peter Pengilly <peter@sportingaero.com>
    John, I don't think so, it looks like this only provides a hard mounted USB socket - it does not do any voltage transforming. You would have to use a normal USB cable in the back side to connect to a 12/15v to 5v transformer. See http://www.neutrik.com/uk/en/dataconnectors/210_t2_619292854/NAUSB-W_detail.aspx Peter On 15 September 2012 10:16, JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton@btopenworld.com> wrote: > jmtipton@btopenworld.com> > > Hi > > Is this what I need to mount a USB (power) outlet for my 12/14volt RV > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/**200816366519?ssPageName=STRK:** > MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.**l2649<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200816366519?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649> > > Regards > > John > >


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    Time: 02:54:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: USB power socket
    From: Peter Pengilly <peter@sportingaero.com>
    John, Perhaps something like this http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/batteries/pololu-stepup-down-regulator or this http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/batteries/step-down-regulator-5v-3v3 will fit the bill? Mount in a project box. Peter On 15 September 2012 10:41, Peter Pengilly <peter@sportingaero.com> wrote: > John, > > I don't think so, it looks like this only provides a hard mounted USB > socket - it does not do any voltage transforming. You would have to use a > normal USB cable in the back side to connect to a 12/15v to 5v transformer. > > See > http://www.neutrik.com/uk/en/dataconnectors/210_t2_619292854/NAUSB-W_detail.aspx > > > Peter > > > On 15 September 2012 10:16, JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >> jmtipton@btopenworld.com> >> >> Hi >> >> Is this what I need to mount a USB (power) outlet for my 12/14volt RV >> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/**200816366519?ssPageName=STRK:** >> MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.**l2649<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200816366519?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649> >> >> Regards >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> >


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    Time: 03:49:08 AM PST US
    From: Sauli Aalto <sauli.aalto@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Flap Control Schematic - will it work?
    Robert Reed skrev 2012-09-15 01:51: > > All, > > Attached is my plan for a flap control system using a Rotary 4 > position switch to control the flaps with LED indicators to show the > position settings. The rotary switch will have a lever that not only > gives a tactile feel indicating position but will point to the LED. I > believe this setup will work but would like some review. I have also > included absolute limit switched to ensure that an over-run will not > occur due to a bad relay. > > Bob Reed > Hi folks! I know a guy who already made this working with a microprocessor-thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY7OYysvW_8 Sauli


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    Time: 06:49:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: USB power socket
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    John, How 'bout installing a simple 12 volt outlet. They are available through Amazon, ebay, auto parts, marine parts (waterproof!), etc. Then get a nice single or double USB power port to plug into it. For instance, here's a bunch of stuff from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=usb%2012%20volt%20adapter&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ausb%2012%20volt%20adapter Or there's something like this 12 Volt Power Point with 5 volt USB Powerpoint Outlet from ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Volt-Power-Point-with-5-volt-USB-Powerpoint-Outlet-/370409173256 It's only a single outlet, but maybe that's all you need. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Sep 15, 2012, at 4:16 AM, JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton@btopenworld.com> wrote: Hi Is this what I need to mount a USB (power) outlet for my 12/14volt RV http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200816366519?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 Regards John


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    Time: 07:37:11 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: USB power socket
    At 08:48 AM 9/15/2012, you wrote: > >John, > >How 'bout installing a simple 12 volt outlet. They are available >through Amazon, ebay, auto parts, marine parts (waterproof!), >etc. Then get a nice single or double USB power port to plug into >it. For instance, here's a bunch of stuff from Amazon: You beat me to it. Thanks! I was going to comment that there's a boat-load of technology and product to apply to the task but many 'solutions' require fabrication, mounting of multiple components, wrestling with noise issues for some 5v down-converter products, wiring, etc. The pre-packaged devices Bob points out offer turn-key solutions for installation. By picking down-converters designed to fit on or inside the legacy cigar-lighter socket, one may easily replace a noisy converter for one more accommodating without having to wrestle with mounting/re-wiring issues. All-in-all I think an elegant, low labor, low risk solution. Bob . . .


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    Time: 10:36:23 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Cole <LynnCole@foxvalley.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap Control Schematic - will it work?
    Very nice! However, did I hear a little overshoot followed by a slight reversal when the intermediate positions were selected? ----- Lynn Cole LynnCole@foxvalley.net On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Jeff Luckey wrote: > Robert see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcBvmL-FxYQ > > It=92s a demo of a flap controller that uses a pot for position-sense & is field_programmable. > > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Reed > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 16:52 > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Flap Control Schematic - will it work? > > All, > > > > Attached is my plan for a flap control system using a Rotary 4 position switch to control the flaps with LED indicators to show the position settings. The rotary switch will have a lever that not only gives a tactile feel indicating position but will point to the LED. I believe this setup will work but would like some review. I have also included absolute limit switched to ensure that an over-run will not occur due to a bad relay. > > > > Bob Reed > > > >


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    Time: 04:56:23 PM PST US
    From: "Roger & Jean Curtis" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: Nav/position light specs
    I am considering a "roll your own" set of LED lights for my homebuilt aircraft. I know that I have seen the specs here on this forum. Can someone point me in the direction of the FAA specs for the navigation/position lights. Thanks, Roger


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    Time: 05:57:19 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Nav/position light specs
    /*TSO C30c and C96a */ On 9/15/2012 4:55 PM, Roger & Jean Curtis wrote: > > I am considering a "roll your own" set of LED lights for my homebuilt > aircraft. I know that I have seen the specs here on this forum. Can > someone point me in the direction of the FAA specs for the > navigation/position lights. > > Thanks, > > Roger > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 08:40:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap Control Schematic - will it work?
    From: Nati Niv <n992dn@gmail.com>
    Bob Here is something that will work for you: from any to any (position), with limit switches and based on electromechanical (relays 7 of them they can be very small) and 11 diodes, more complex but it will work . For that to work properly you will need to modify the mechanical design in a way that only one micro switch is make at a time, you will also have different LED indication compared to your design: only one LED will be lit at a time indicating current flap position. Have fun Nati On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Nati Niv <n992dn@gmail.com> wrote: > Bob > > > Now, that I understand the mechanical design I have a solution including > to the =93moving from any position to any position up/down=94 can you sen d me > the diagram in a format other than PDF and I will returned it corrected? > Now that I understand I really the simplicity of it. > > > Nati > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote: > >> Nati, >> >> Sorry, I only showed the electrical and did not explain the mechanics of >> the operation. >> >> The micro-switches will be located in a channel with the ability to move >> them to adjust the positions. A slide bar will be attached to the trim >> control arm. The slide bar will close each switch in line during the >> retract operation and open each in line during the extend. During the >> retract operation only the retract circuit will be powered by the rotary >> switch with the intent of full retraction and not stepped retraction. >> During extension, only one circuit can be active at any time and that >> circuit will close as soon as the slide bar passes the switch allowing i t >> to open. The indicator lights will only light when the desired circuit is >> active and the switch is open. It should allow for either stepped flap >> extension or full extension with one operation. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Nati Niv <n992dn@gmail.com> >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Fri, September 14, 2012 10:14:26 PM >> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Flap Control Schematic - will it work? >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> It will not work. >> >> I understand the KIS approach that leads you to use relays/micro switche s >> only. Unfortunately designing such thing will require some level of >> electronic involves and the reason for it is that you need to know *at >> all times* what the position of the flaps is because you need to tell >> the motor to which direction to go, up/down. Using micro switch as a >> location sensing lacks this capability, it =93senses=94 at only one posi tion, >> the position to which you set it mechanically along the motor travel. Th e >> moment the motor moves from that position you have no indication of wher e >> you are. The most common sense to use as sensing device would be a >> potentiometer, and then you need some electronics to sense and compare >> (comparators). I would even think basing the design on the LM3914 10 LED >> driver. >> >> When it was time for me to change the flap system on my RANS 6 from >> manual to electric I thought, as an electronic fan about deferent design s >> but eventually find myself using this: >> >> >> >> http://www.e-motionllc.com/Feedback_actuator_p/fa-po-150-12-2.htm >> >> >> >> As the actuator (it has built in potentiometer) >> >> >> >> And this as a controller. >> >> >> >> >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/electronicsflapcontroller. php >> >> >> >> A little pricy, I know but works, I love every second flying the 6 with >> this arrangement >> >> >> >> Nati >> >> RANS 6 >> >> Illinois >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> >>> >>> Attached is my plan for a flap control system using a Rotary 4 position >>> switch to control the flaps with LED indicators to show the position >>> settings. The rotary switch will have a lever that not only gives a >>> tactile feel indicating position but will point to the LED. I believe this >>> setup will work but would like some review. I have also included absol ute >>> limit switched to ensure that an over-run will not occur due to a bad r elay. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob Reed >>> >> >> * >> >> om/Navigator?AeroElectric-List" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://ww w.mhref="http://forums.matronics.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>htt p:/========= >> * >> >> * >> =========== =========== =========== =========== >> * >> >> >




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