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Sun 11/04/12


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 01:25 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery Longevity (Tony Babb)
     2. 05:34 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery Longevity (R. curtis)
     3. 07:55 AM - Soldering Iron Recommendations (Jared Yates)
     4. 08:59 AM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (B Tomm)
     5. 09:28 AM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (Jeff Luckey)
     6. 12:03 PM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     7. 12:19 PM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (John Loram)
     8. 12:50 PM - Re: vhf transponder interference (jappie)
     9. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. (David Lloyd)
    10. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. (Darrel Jones)
    11. 02:32 PM - More good 'junque' looking for a home (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    12. 02:45 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    13. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: vhf transponder interference (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    14. 04:13 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    15. 04:25 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    16. 06:21 PM - A200/Flightcom 403 radio not transmitting- plane grounded!!! (SIDESLIP)
    17. 07:40 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:25:13 AM PST US
    From: "Tony Babb" <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
    Subject: Odyssey Battery Longevity
    Dean, I'm a little confused. I thought CCA was "Cold Cranking Amps" and was a measure of the flow of electricity the battery can supply. Capacity is a certain number of amps for a certain number of hours without the voltage decreasing below some specified level. Am I misunderstanding something here? Thanks, Tony Babb Velocity SEFG 62% done, 78% to go www.alejandra.net/velocity -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Odyssey Battery Longevity --> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> Just finished my fourth annual on the RV-6A. When I built the airplane I installed the firewall mounted battery kit with the Odyssey PC680 battery. Being an aficionado of Bob's philosophy I was originally going to replace the battery after two years of service. I had however, heard many great things about the Odyssey and decided to keep it in service after my second annual, it was working perfectly and I could find no reason to spend another $150 for a new one. Same great service in 2011 so I decided I'd let it run for one more year. This year I decided I'd replace it regardless of how it was performing so, I bought a new one and installed it (even though the 4 year old one still cranked the airplane vigorously). I was curious how much capacity remained in the old battery so I took it to an auto parts store and had them load test it. Results...4 year old Odyssey still put out 207 of its 220 CCA rated capacity. That's an incredible 94% capacity remaining after FOUR years!!! Down here in Florida we are lucky to get 4 years of service out of a flooded cell car battery and the Odyssey still gives a whopping 94% of the capacity it had when I bought it! Awesome battery, I think I let the new one go 5-6 years and see how it performs. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Going on 5 fun filled years


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    Time: 05:34:56 AM PST US
    From: "R. curtis" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Odyssey Battery Longevity
    > > I'm a little confused. I thought CCA was "Cold Cranking Amps" and was a > measure of the flow of electricity the battery can supply. Capacity is a > certain number of amps for a certain number of hours without the voltage > decreasing below some specified level. Am I misunderstanding something > here? >Tony You have it right! The CCA is a measurement of the ability of the battery to supply high current for short periods to operate the starter. The Capacity of the battery, measured in AH is at a much lower constant amperage. Due to the internal resistance of the battery, there will be a difference of capacity if it is measured at a higher or lower current drain. You will find that as you increase the current the AH will decrease. If you have an electrically dependent aircraft it is a good idea to capacity check your battery at approximately your normal endurance current. Roger


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    Time: 07:55:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Soldering Iron Recommendations
    From: Jared Yates <email@jaredyates.com>
    My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking to replace it, perhaps with one of the station soldering irons. I'm looking for a unit that is suitable for hobby use that will last a while and get the job done. Does anyone have any recommendations for one that is worth considering?


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    Time: 08:59:36 AM PST US
    From: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
    Subject: Soldering Iron Recommendations
    I use portable soldering irons every day at work. I like the cordless (butane) for convenience of no cords and fast heat and they fit into my tool belt even right after use without the risk of burns when reaching for another tool. I have used many different kinds over the years but Portasol see http://www.apexhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=0371031693 89 has been my trusty workhorse and not the most expensive of the portables. HOWEVER, you must be mindful that it uses an open flame and sparks from the igniter which should not be used around flammables or in confined spaces where flammable fumes may have collected. Bevan -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jared Yates Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Soldering Iron Recommendations --> <email@jaredyates.com> My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking to replace it, perhaps with one of the station soldering irons. I'm looking for a unit that is suitable for hobby use that will last a while and get the job done. Does anyone have any recommendations for one that is worth considering?


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    Time: 09:28:53 AM PST US
    From: "Jeff Luckey" <JLuckey@pacbell.net>
    Subject: Soldering Iron Recommendations
    It is probably over-kill for just hobby use but I just purchased a Weller WES51 temp-controlled soldering station. They list for ~$130, got it at Fry's for $99. This is the first soldering station I've purchased in more than 20 years because I could no longer find new tips for my trusty old Ungar soldering iron. The temp is adjustable from 600 to 850F, it heats in less than a minute & the iron itself is lightweight & easy to hold. I have not used it much but, so far, I like it & it appears to get good reviews. -Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jared Yates Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 07:54 Subject: AeroElectric-List: Soldering Iron Recommendations My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking to replace it, perhaps with one of the station soldering irons. I'm looking for a unit that is suitable for hobby use that will last a while and get the job done. Does anyone have any recommendations for one that is worth considering? ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 12:03:07 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Soldering Iron Recommendations
    At 12:27 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote: > > >It is probably over-kill for just hobby use but I just purchased a Weller >WES51 temp-controlled soldering station. They list for ~$130, got it at >Fry's for $99. > >This is the first soldering station I've purchased in more than 20 years >because I could no longer find new tips for my trusty old Ungar soldering >iron. > >The temp is adjustable from 600 to 850F, it heats in less than a minute & >the iron itself is lightweight & easy to hold. I have not used it much but, >so far, I like it & it appears to get good reviews. > >-Jeff This Weller product is an excellent value. Weller was amongst the first of the soldering tool guys to come out with temperature control at the tip technology. I've owned (or caused the purchase of) many WTCP solder wands. The NEAT thing about these tools is that 'station' is simply a 24vac transformer. Temperature control happens right at the tip. I built a production line of WTCP wands for Electro-Mech back about 1982. The boss took a look at the price of the individual stations and nixed the idea; didn't want to spend that much money (8 stations as I recall). After getting a budget limit I discovered that I could buy replacement wands really reasonably. I wired the back-to- back benches with 24VAC outlets powered by a surplus transformer from my junk box. I thought Fred was going to have me flogged when I heard that he was unhappy that I bought the WTCP systems anyhow . . . but when he confronted me later I was able to show him that I'd spent only a fraction of the budget and got the performance I was seeking anyhow. Since that time, temperature control technologies have leap frogged several generations. One of the 'Cadillac' examples is sold by Metcal. See the matronics forums site to search 'Metcal' on this List. It takes some patience to get that technology at the lowest price. Never buy a complete station consisting of cord, wand, power supply and stand. Also, look for the legacy STTC/RFG30/PS2E supplies like these http://tinyurl.com/ad9l7ls http://tinyurl.com/ay5eksv http://tinyurl.com/amct74p and others. Be patient. Don't bid more than $50 and make sure 'returns are accepted'. You'll get one eventually. You'll want to buy the wand brand new. Used ones tend to be really beat. You need the MX-RM3E wand. Tips you can buy off eBay used and new at good prices and a huge selection of styles. http://tinyurl.com/basessm http://tinyurl.com/d2p28z9 This tool is only 30W but it puts it ALL at the tip. I've soldered un-insulated lugs to 2AWG welding cable with this iron. At the same time, there are needle-point tips that will handily work 0604 surface mount components under your microscope. I think the last time I assembled an STTC system was for my brother-in-law about three years ago. I think I spent about $160 total on it. There MAY be other combinations of Metcal products of equal value and accessibility . . . I'm just VERY familiar with the combination cited above. There are several systems where the parts are NOT interchangeable. They're newer than the STTC system and tend to be more expensive too. Bob . . .


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    Time: 12:19:45 PM PST US
    From: "John Loram" <johnl@loram.org>
    Subject: Soldering Iron Recommendations
    I have over 30 years on my two Weller 60 watt Soldering Stations. At times I have left them turned on for months at a time and they both work perfectly. Can't go wrong with a one of these Wellers for general electrical/electronic circuit work. Heats up in under a minute. Consider more modern WES51 or WESD51 (auto-shutoff). Expect to spend around $80-$150. Buy a couple of big tips, medium tips and small tips. You'll need something bigger (Weller soldering gun?) for other kinds of soldering. -john- > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Jared Yates > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:54 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Soldering Iron Recommendations > > --> <email@jaredyates.com> > > My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking > to replace it, perhaps with one of the station soldering > irons. I'm looking for a unit that is suitable for hobby use > that will last a while and get the job done. Does anyone > have any recommendations for one that is worth considering?


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    Time: 12:50:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: vhf transponder interference
    From: "jappie" <jappie@videotron.ca>
    Hello Just got back from the hangar, did some test with my VHF radio, (outside) Looked at the Satellite strength signal, my average was 7.8, TX on freq. 131.20 up to 131.35 and did see a decrease in strength signal averaging 3.7, at one point, I got the poor coverage warning. So, next step, inspect my connectors, coax, antenna, ground plate...etc. Winter project. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386753#386753


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    Time: 01:28:05 PM PST US
    From: "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger.
    Jeff, My impression is that you did not leave the 1562 on line long enough... I use several of them and they all go briefly to about 15.2 v. at very low current. Then, they start shifting down to a float or maintenance voltage level. After maybe 24 hrs on a large model battery, it will then drop to about 13. 3 V. or somewhere very near that and stay put. I leave them on continuously and have not had to add water to any of my conventional RV or engine start batteries. give it another try but, leave it on for a day or two... D ____________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Page" <jpx@qenesis.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. > > I bought the Schumacher SEM-1562A while at AirVenture this year. It was > all that was available when I needed to recharge a battery I brought > along from a UPS that I was using to recharge my iPad. > > Although the battery had previous abuse prior to AirVenture, I did expect > it to perform adequately. I recharged it five or six times at AirVenture > and each time, it seemed like it was not fully charged. > > When I got home, I determined that the battery was no longer able to hold > a charge. > > Now that fall is here, I have some car-size batteries out of a couple of > boats in my basement. They had already been fully charged and were on > another maintainer, so are in good shape. > > Just for fun, I put the Schumacher on one of the batteries, expecting it > to go to maintenance mode almost immediately. > > Instead, it began trying to recharge the battery, with 14.7 volts. It > briefly went as high as 15.2 ! > > There was not a lot of current (maybe 150mA if I remember), since the > battery was already charged. I expected that current to drop off and > then voltage to drop to a maintenance level. > > I stood and watched for 20 minutes. I gave up waiting after the current > dropped to one-third of the original value, with the Schumacher still > putting out 14.7 volts and then disconnected it. > > The manual states that the maximum charging voltage is 14.8 volts, which > seems very high to me, but probably would not harm a car battery. A > smaller battery might overheat ? > > The manual states that this device is for charging and maintaining small > batteries (eg. motorcycle), but that while it is suitable for maintaining > large batteries, such as car and marine deep cycle batteries, it's charge > current is too low to charge those. > > Unless I understand incorrectly, 14.8 seems to high to charge a small > aircraft battery, although perhaps the voltage is unimportant if the > current is limited. > > I did pull it apart to look. Lots of high precision resistors, but no > potentiometers to adjust. > > Until I learn more, I will not be using this Schumacher on any batteries > I do not want ruined. > > Jeff Page > Dream Aircraft Tundra #10 > > >


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    Time: 01:52:29 PM PST US
    From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
    Subject: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger.
    I just tried one of the new model XM1-5 chargers overnight on my car and it was floating at 13.4-5 volts after 24 hours. The hitch I had with it before is that the "charging" LED is not bright enough to see in ambient light, but after shading it I could see that it was on during the charge phase. The green "float" LED is brighter. Darrel Jones On 11/4/2012 1:27 PM, David Lloyd wrote: > <skywagon@charter.net> > > Jeff, > My impression is that you did not leave the 1562 on line long enough... > > I use several of them and they all go briefly to about 15.2 v. at very > low current. Then, they start shifting down to a float or maintenance > voltage level. After maybe 24 hrs on a large model battery, it will > then drop to about 13. 3 V. or somewhere very near that and stay put. > I leave them on continuously and have not had to add water to any of > my conventional RV or engine start batteries. > > give it another try but, leave it on for a day or two... > D > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Page" <jpx@qenesis.com> > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:24 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. > > >> >> I bought the Schumacher SEM-1562A while at AirVenture this year. It >> was all that was available when I needed to recharge a battery I >> brought along from a UPS that I was using to recharge my iPad. >> >> Although the battery had previous abuse prior to AirVenture, I did >> expect it to perform adequately. I recharged it five or six times >> at AirVenture and each time, it seemed like it was not fully charged. >> >> When I got home, I determined that the battery was no longer able to >> hold a charge. >> >> Now that fall is here, I have some car-size batteries out of a >> couple of boats in my basement. They had already been fully charged >> and were on another maintainer, so are in good shape. >> >> Just for fun, I put the Schumacher on one of the batteries, >> expecting it to go to maintenance mode almost immediately. >> >> Instead, it began trying to recharge the battery, with 14.7 volts. >> It briefly went as high as 15.2 ! >> >> There was not a lot of current (maybe 150mA if I remember), since the >> battery was already charged. I expected that current to drop off and >> then voltage to drop to a maintenance level. >> >> I stood and watched for 20 minutes. I gave up waiting after the >> current dropped to one-third of the original value, with the >> Schumacher still putting out 14.7 volts and then disconnected it. >> >> The manual states that the maximum charging voltage is 14.8 volts, >> which seems very high to me, but probably would not harm a car >> battery. A smaller battery might overheat ? >> >> The manual states that this device is for charging and maintaining >> small batteries (eg. motorcycle), but that while it is suitable for >> maintaining large batteries, such as car and marine deep cycle >> batteries, it's charge current is too low to charge those. >> >> Unless I understand incorrectly, 14.8 seems to high to charge a small >> aircraft battery, although perhaps the voltage is unimportant if the >> current is limited. >> >> I did pull it apart to look. Lots of high precision resistors, but >> no potentiometers to adjust. >> >> Until I learn more, I will not be using this Schumacher on any >> batteries I do not want ruined. >> >> Jeff Page >> Dream Aircraft Tundra #10 >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 02:32:20 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: More good 'junque' looking for a home
    I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour dial that shows no signs of ever being installed. Emacs! This is the 'zulu' version with an pointer that can be set for another time zone, usually GMT. $100 postage paid to first taker. Satisfaction guaranteed. Bob . . .


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    Time: 02:45:31 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home
    hi BOB, Would love to have the clock! Old Bob Siegfried. In a message dated 11/4/2012 4:33:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes: I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour dial that shows no signs of ever being installed. This is the 'zulu' version with an pointer that can be set for another time zone, usually GMT. $100 postage paid to first taker. Satisfaction guaranteed. Bob . . .


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    Time: 04:12:45 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: vhf transponder interference
    At 02:49 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote: > >Hello > >Just got back from the hangar, did some test with my VHF radio, (outside) >Looked at the Satellite strength signal, my average was 7.8, >TX on freq. 131.20 up to 131.35 and did see a decrease in strength >signal averaging 3.7, at one point, I got the poor coverage warning. > >So, next step, inspect my connectors, coax, antenna, ground >plate...etc. Winter project. Not sure there's anything 'wrong' with your as-installed transceiver. The VHF comm transmitter WILL have harmonic content in its output. It's an expected condition that's tested during the TSO qualification process. You're probably seeing a manifestation of a special case were the transmitter might be very good in the world of terrestrial communications and navigation but offers insult to the very tiny GPS satellite signals . . . but only in a narrow range of circumstances and intermittently at that. I think you're golden. Adding the suggested 'notch filter' in your transceiver's antenna feeder will no doubt improve on your observed interference in the range of interest so if you don't mind the expense off adding the filter . . .it's not a big thing [] Aircraft Spruce has the one above for about $110. Found this one on eBay for $25 plus too much shipping (by it now). http://tinyurl.com/c3e68jf You could make a best offer of say $25 if he ships it first class in a padded envelope for $2.00. I went to the workbench and fiddled with a 'po man's notch filter. Emacs! While you're hammering on the airplane this winter, you might conduct the experiment above. Let us know what your final dimension is. Yes, the 'active dimension' includes conductors inside the coax T-connector. You'll want to do some look-see at the 13th harmonics too . . . near and either side of 121.25 Mhz. In fact, do the initial experiments at the 13th harmonic values . . . odd harmonics from transmitters tend to be much stronger than even ones. I see that Comant is now offering VHF antennas with GPS notch filtering built in. Cool move. Here's a thread on VansAF forum where a builder was experiencing severe interference http://tinyurl.com/a3em5l2 Bob . . .


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    Time: 04:13:27 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home
    At 04:31 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote: >I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour >dial that shows no signs of ever being installed. The clock is gone gentlemen. Thanks for all the interest! Bob . . .


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    Time: 04:25:27 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home
    Who was the lucky winner? Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 11/4/2012 6:14:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> At 04:31 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote: >I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour >dial that shows no signs of ever being installed. The clock is gone gentlemen. Thanks for all the interest! Bob . . .


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    Time: 06:21:29 PM PST US
    Subject: A200/Flightcom 403 radio not transmitting- plane grounded!!!
    From: "SIDESLIP" <Chad2007@rogers.com>
    Hello all. Just purchased a Homebuilt Zodiac 601XL-B. Rotax 912ULS powered. A200 Radio, Flightcom 403 intercom. Aero flash strobes. The radio is intermittently squealing and tower cannot understand my transmissions. Tried both engine running and not running. Intermittent either way. When it is working, I get 5/5. When it begins squealing, 0/0. Previous owner said he had the same issue with cheaper headsets. Radio worked great, then it didn't. I'm using David Clark 13.2s's. The previous owner has a portable wired in as well, telling me that he's had issues in the past. There is a falcon T/B gyro, Garmin transponder and aero flash strobes. When the strobes are on, the pop of the flash comes thru headsets. I'm really stuck! Bought this plane, and now can't fly it! The rest of the plane is great,, ending runs PERFECT..... But this radio issue has me beat! HELLLP! Chad. :( Additional info..... There is a handheld wired into the system. It uses its own separate antenna, but there are two switches on centre console to flip send receive. I wonder if that wiring is causing the problems. Helllllp! -------- C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386788#386788 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_137.jpg


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    Time: 07:40:28 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home
    At 06:24 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote: >Who was the lucky winner? The guy who got the PayPal invoice . . . which I see you've paid already. It goes out tomorrow via first class mail. Thank you sir! Bob . . .




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