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1. 01:25 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery Longevity (Tony Babb)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery Longevity (R. curtis)
3. 07:55 AM - Soldering Iron Recommendations (Jared Yates)
4. 08:59 AM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (B Tomm)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (Jeff Luckey)
6. 12:03 PM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 12:19 PM - Re: Soldering Iron Recommendations (John Loram)
8. 12:50 PM - Re: vhf transponder interference (jappie)
9. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. (David Lloyd)
10. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. (Darrel Jones)
11. 02:32 PM - More good 'junque' looking for a home (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 02:45 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (BobsV35B@aol.com)
13. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: vhf transponder interference (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 04:13 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 04:25 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (BobsV35B@aol.com)
16. 06:21 PM - A200/Flightcom 403 radio not transmitting- plane grounded!!! (SIDESLIP)
17. 07:40 PM - Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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| Subject: | Odyssey Battery Longevity |
Dean,
I'm a little confused. I thought CCA was "Cold Cranking Amps" and was a
measure of the flow of electricity the battery can supply. Capacity is a
certain number of amps for a certain number of hours without the voltage
decreasing below some specified level. Am I misunderstanding something here?
Thanks,
Tony Babb
Velocity SEFG 62% done, 78% to go
www.alejandra.net/velocity
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN
PSIROPOULOS
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Odyssey Battery Longevity
--> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Just finished my fourth annual on the RV-6A. When I built the airplane I
installed the firewall mounted battery kit with the Odyssey PC680 battery.
Being an aficionado of Bob's philosophy I was originally going to replace
the battery after two years of service. I had however, heard many great
things about the Odyssey and decided to keep it in service after my second
annual, it was working perfectly and I could find no reason to spend another
$150 for a new one. Same great service in 2011 so I decided I'd let it run
for one more year. This year I decided I'd replace it regardless of how it
was performing so, I bought a new one and installed it (even though the 4
year old one still cranked the airplane vigorously). I was curious how much
capacity remained in the old battery so I took it to an auto parts store and
had them load test it. Results...4 year old Odyssey still put out 207 of
its 220 CCA rated capacity. That's an incredible 94% capacity remaining
after FOUR years!!! Down here in Florida we are lucky to get 4 years of
service out of a flooded cell car battery and the Odyssey still gives a
whopping 94% of the capacity it had when I bought it! Awesome battery, I
think I let the new one go 5-6 years and see how it performs.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Going on 5 fun filled years
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey Battery Longevity |
>
> I'm a little confused. I thought CCA was "Cold Cranking Amps" and was a
> measure of the flow of electricity the battery can supply. Capacity is a
> certain number of amps for a certain number of hours without the voltage
> decreasing below some specified level. Am I misunderstanding something
> here?
>Tony
You have it right! The CCA is a measurement of the ability of the battery
to supply high current for short periods to operate the starter. The
Capacity of the battery, measured in AH is at a much lower constant
amperage. Due to the internal resistance of the battery, there will be a
difference of capacity if it is measured at a higher or lower current drain.
You will find that as you increase the current the AH will decrease. If you
have an electrically dependent aircraft it is a good idea to capacity check
your battery at approximately your normal endurance current.
Roger
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| Subject: | Soldering Iron Recommendations |
My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking to
replace it, perhaps with one of the station soldering irons. I'm
looking for a unit that is suitable for hobby use that will last a
while and get the job done. Does anyone have any recommendations for
one that is worth considering?
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| Subject: | Soldering Iron Recommendations |
I use portable soldering irons every day at work. I like the cordless
(butane) for convenience of no cords and fast heat and they fit into my tool
belt even right after use without the risk of burns when reaching for
another tool. I have used many different kinds over the years but Portasol
see
http://www.apexhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=0371031693
89 has been my trusty workhorse and not the most expensive of the portables.
HOWEVER, you must be mindful that it uses an open flame and sparks from the
igniter which should not be used around flammables or in confined spaces
where flammable fumes may have collected.
Bevan
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jared
Yates
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:54 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Soldering Iron Recommendations
--> <email@jaredyates.com>
My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking to replace it,
perhaps with one of the station soldering irons. I'm looking for a unit
that is suitable for hobby use that will last a while and get the job done.
Does anyone have any recommendations for one that is worth considering?
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| Subject: | Soldering Iron Recommendations |
It is probably over-kill for just hobby use but I just purchased a Weller
WES51 temp-controlled soldering station. They list for ~$130, got it at
Fry's for $99.
This is the first soldering station I've purchased in more than 20 years
because I could no longer find new tips for my trusty old Ungar soldering
iron.
The temp is adjustable from 600 to 850F, it heats in less than a minute &
the iron itself is lightweight & easy to hold. I have not used it much but,
so far, I like it & it appears to get good reviews.
-Jeff
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jared
Yates
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 07:54
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Soldering Iron Recommendations
My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking to
replace it, perhaps with one of the station soldering irons. I'm
looking for a unit that is suitable for hobby use that will last a
while and get the job done. Does anyone have any recommendations for
one that is worth considering?
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| Subject: | Soldering Iron Recommendations |
At 12:27 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>
>
>It is probably over-kill for just hobby use but I just purchased a Weller
>WES51 temp-controlled soldering station. They list for ~$130, got it at
>Fry's for $99.
>
>This is the first soldering station I've purchased in more than 20 years
>because I could no longer find new tips for my trusty old Ungar soldering
>iron.
>
>The temp is adjustable from 600 to 850F, it heats in less than a minute &
>the iron itself is lightweight & easy to hold. I have not used it much but,
>so far, I like it & it appears to get good reviews.
>
>-Jeff
This Weller product is an excellent value. Weller was amongst the
first of the soldering tool guys to come out with temperature
control at the tip technology. I've owned (or caused the purchase
of) many WTCP solder wands. The NEAT thing about these tools
is that 'station' is simply a 24vac transformer. Temperature
control happens right at the tip. I built a production line
of WTCP wands for Electro-Mech back about 1982. The boss took
a look at the price of the individual stations and nixed the idea;
didn't want to spend that much money (8 stations as I recall).
After getting a budget limit I discovered that I could buy
replacement wands really reasonably. I wired the back-to-
back benches with 24VAC outlets powered by a surplus transformer
from my junk box. I thought Fred was going to have me flogged
when I heard that he was unhappy that I bought the
WTCP systems anyhow . . . but when he confronted me later I
was able to show him that I'd spent only a fraction of the
budget and got the performance I was seeking anyhow.
Since that time, temperature control technologies have leap
frogged several generations. One of the 'Cadillac' examples
is sold by Metcal. See the matronics forums site to search
'Metcal' on this List. It takes some patience to get that
technology at the lowest price. Never buy a complete station
consisting of cord, wand, power supply and stand. Also, look
for the legacy STTC/RFG30/PS2E supplies like these
http://tinyurl.com/ad9l7ls
http://tinyurl.com/ay5eksv
http://tinyurl.com/amct74p
and others. Be patient. Don't bid more than $50
and make sure 'returns are accepted'. You'll get
one eventually.
You'll want to buy the wand brand new. Used ones
tend to be really beat. You need the MX-RM3E wand.
Tips you can buy off eBay used and new at good
prices and a huge selection of styles.
http://tinyurl.com/basessm
http://tinyurl.com/d2p28z9
This tool is only 30W but it puts it ALL
at the tip. I've soldered un-insulated lugs to 2AWG
welding cable with this iron. At the same time,
there are needle-point tips that will handily work
0604 surface mount components under your microscope.
I think the last time I assembled an STTC system
was for my brother-in-law about three years ago.
I think I spent about $160 total on it.
There MAY be other combinations of Metcal products
of equal value and accessibility . . . I'm just
VERY familiar with the combination cited above.
There are several systems where the parts are NOT
interchangeable. They're newer than the STTC system
and tend to be more expensive too.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Soldering Iron Recommendations |
I have over 30 years on my two Weller 60 watt Soldering Stations. At times I
have left them turned on for months at a time and they both work perfectly.
Can't go wrong with a one of these Wellers for general electrical/electronic
circuit work. Heats up in under a minute. Consider more modern WES51 or
WESD51 (auto-shutoff). Expect to spend around $80-$150. Buy a couple of big
tips, medium tips and small tips.
You'll need something bigger (Weller soldering gun?) for other kinds of
soldering.
-john-
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Jared Yates
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:54 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Soldering Iron Recommendations
>
> --> <email@jaredyates.com>
>
> My little pencil-style soldering iron is dead and I'm looking
> to replace it, perhaps with one of the station soldering
> irons. I'm looking for a unit that is suitable for hobby use
> that will last a while and get the job done. Does anyone
> have any recommendations for one that is worth considering?
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| Subject: | Re: vhf transponder interference |
Hello
Just got back from the hangar, did some test with my VHF radio, (outside)
Looked at the Satellite strength signal, my average was 7.8,
TX on freq. 131.20 up to 131.35 and did see a decrease in strength signal averaging
3.7, at one point, I got the poor coverage warning.
So, next step, inspect my connectors, coax, antenna, ground plate...etc. Winter
project.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386753#386753
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. |
Jeff,
My impression is that you did not leave the 1562 on line long enough...
I use several of them and they all go briefly to about 15.2 v. at very low
current. Then, they start shifting down to a float or maintenance voltage
level. After maybe 24 hrs on a large model battery, it will then drop to
about 13. 3 V. or somewhere very near that and stay put. I leave them on
continuously and have not had to add water to any of my conventional RV or
engine start batteries.
give it another try but, leave it on for a day or two...
D
____________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Page" <jpx@qenesis.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger.
>
> I bought the Schumacher SEM-1562A while at AirVenture this year. It was
> all that was available when I needed to recharge a battery I brought
> along from a UPS that I was using to recharge my iPad.
>
> Although the battery had previous abuse prior to AirVenture, I did expect
> it to perform adequately. I recharged it five or six times at AirVenture
> and each time, it seemed like it was not fully charged.
>
> When I got home, I determined that the battery was no longer able to hold
> a charge.
>
> Now that fall is here, I have some car-size batteries out of a couple of
> boats in my basement. They had already been fully charged and were on
> another maintainer, so are in good shape.
>
> Just for fun, I put the Schumacher on one of the batteries, expecting it
> to go to maintenance mode almost immediately.
>
> Instead, it began trying to recharge the battery, with 14.7 volts. It
> briefly went as high as 15.2 !
>
> There was not a lot of current (maybe 150mA if I remember), since the
> battery was already charged. I expected that current to drop off and
> then voltage to drop to a maintenance level.
>
> I stood and watched for 20 minutes. I gave up waiting after the current
> dropped to one-third of the original value, with the Schumacher still
> putting out 14.7 volts and then disconnected it.
>
> The manual states that the maximum charging voltage is 14.8 volts, which
> seems very high to me, but probably would not harm a car battery. A
> smaller battery might overheat ?
>
> The manual states that this device is for charging and maintaining small
> batteries (eg. motorcycle), but that while it is suitable for maintaining
> large batteries, such as car and marine deep cycle batteries, it's charge
> current is too low to charge those.
>
> Unless I understand incorrectly, 14.8 seems to high to charge a small
> aircraft battery, although perhaps the voltage is unimportant if the
> current is limited.
>
> I did pull it apart to look. Lots of high precision resistors, but no
> potentiometers to adjust.
>
> Until I learn more, I will not be using this Schumacher on any batteries
> I do not want ruined.
>
> Jeff Page
> Dream Aircraft Tundra #10
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Walmart battery charger. |
I just tried one of the new model XM1-5 chargers overnight on my car and
it was floating at 13.4-5 volts after 24 hours. The hitch I had with it
before is that the "charging" LED is not bright enough to see in ambient
light, but after shading it I could see that it was on during the charge
phase. The green "float" LED is brighter.
Darrel Jones
On 11/4/2012 1:27 PM, David Lloyd wrote:
> <skywagon@charter.net>
>
> Jeff,
> My impression is that you did not leave the 1562 on line long enough...
>
> I use several of them and they all go briefly to about 15.2 v. at very
> low current. Then, they start shifting down to a float or maintenance
> voltage level. After maybe 24 hrs on a large model battery, it will
> then drop to about 13. 3 V. or somewhere very near that and stay put.
> I leave them on continuously and have not had to add water to any of
> my conventional RV or engine start batteries.
>
> give it another try but, leave it on for a day or two...
> D
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Page" <jpx@qenesis.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:24 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Walmart battery charger.
>
>
>>
>> I bought the Schumacher SEM-1562A while at AirVenture this year. It
>> was all that was available when I needed to recharge a battery I
>> brought along from a UPS that I was using to recharge my iPad.
>>
>> Although the battery had previous abuse prior to AirVenture, I did
>> expect it to perform adequately. I recharged it five or six times
>> at AirVenture and each time, it seemed like it was not fully charged.
>>
>> When I got home, I determined that the battery was no longer able to
>> hold a charge.
>>
>> Now that fall is here, I have some car-size batteries out of a
>> couple of boats in my basement. They had already been fully charged
>> and were on another maintainer, so are in good shape.
>>
>> Just for fun, I put the Schumacher on one of the batteries,
>> expecting it to go to maintenance mode almost immediately.
>>
>> Instead, it began trying to recharge the battery, with 14.7 volts.
>> It briefly went as high as 15.2 !
>>
>> There was not a lot of current (maybe 150mA if I remember), since the
>> battery was already charged. I expected that current to drop off and
>> then voltage to drop to a maintenance level.
>>
>> I stood and watched for 20 minutes. I gave up waiting after the
>> current dropped to one-third of the original value, with the
>> Schumacher still putting out 14.7 volts and then disconnected it.
>>
>> The manual states that the maximum charging voltage is 14.8 volts,
>> which seems very high to me, but probably would not harm a car
>> battery. A smaller battery might overheat ?
>>
>> The manual states that this device is for charging and maintaining
>> small batteries (eg. motorcycle), but that while it is suitable for
>> maintaining large batteries, such as car and marine deep cycle
>> batteries, it's charge current is too low to charge those.
>>
>> Unless I understand incorrectly, 14.8 seems to high to charge a small
>> aircraft battery, although perhaps the voltage is unimportant if the
>> current is limited.
>>
>> I did pull it apart to look. Lots of high precision resistors, but
>> no potentiometers to adjust.
>>
>> Until I learn more, I will not be using this Schumacher on any
>> batteries I do not want ruined.
>>
>> Jeff Page
>> Dream Aircraft Tundra #10
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | More good 'junque' looking for a home |
I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour
dial that shows no signs of ever being installed.
Emacs!
This is the 'zulu' version with an pointer that can
be set for another time zone, usually GMT.
$100 postage paid to first taker. Satisfaction
guaranteed.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home |
hi BOB,
Would love to have the clock!
Old Bob Siegfried.
In a message dated 11/4/2012 4:33:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes:
I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour
dial that shows no signs of ever being installed.
This is the 'zulu' version with an pointer that can
be set for another time zone, usually GMT.
$100 postage paid to first taker. Satisfaction
guaranteed.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: vhf transponder interference |
At 02:49 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>
>Hello
>
>Just got back from the hangar, did some test with my VHF radio, (outside)
>Looked at the Satellite strength signal, my average was 7.8,
>TX on freq. 131.20 up to 131.35 and did see a decrease in strength
>signal averaging 3.7, at one point, I got the poor coverage warning.
>
>So, next step, inspect my connectors, coax, antenna, ground
>plate...etc. Winter project.
Not sure there's anything 'wrong' with your as-installed
transceiver. The VHF comm transmitter WILL have harmonic
content in its output. It's an expected condition that's
tested during the TSO qualification process.
You're probably seeing a manifestation of a special
case were the transmitter might be very good in the
world of terrestrial communications and navigation
but offers insult to the very tiny GPS satellite
signals . . . but only in a narrow range of circumstances
and intermittently at that.
I think you're golden. Adding the suggested 'notch filter'
in your transceiver's antenna feeder will no doubt
improve on your observed interference in the range of
interest so if you don't mind the expense off adding the
filter . . .it's not a big thing
[]
Aircraft Spruce has the one above for about $110.
Found this one on eBay for $25 plus too much shipping (by it
now).
http://tinyurl.com/c3e68jf
You could make a best offer of say $25 if he
ships it first class in a padded envelope for $2.00.
I went to the workbench and fiddled with a 'po man's
notch filter.
Emacs!
While you're hammering on the airplane this winter, you might
conduct the experiment above. Let us know what your final dimension
is. Yes, the 'active dimension' includes conductors inside the
coax T-connector. You'll want to do some look-see at the 13th
harmonics too . . . near and either side of 121.25 Mhz. In fact,
do the initial experiments at the 13th harmonic values . . . odd
harmonics from transmitters tend to be much stronger than
even ones.
I see that Comant is now offering VHF antennas with GPS notch
filtering built in. Cool move.
Here's a thread on VansAF forum where a builder was experiencing
severe interference
http://tinyurl.com/a3em5l2
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home |
At 04:31 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour
>dial that shows no signs of ever being installed.
The clock is gone gentlemen. Thanks for all the
interest!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home |
Who was the lucky winner?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 11/4/2012 6:14:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
At 04:31 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>I have a like new Wakmann 8-day, clock with 24-hour
>dial that shows no signs of ever being installed.
The clock is gone gentlemen. Thanks for all the
interest!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | A200/Flightcom 403 radio not transmitting- plane grounded!!! |
Hello all. Just purchased a Homebuilt Zodiac 601XL-B. Rotax 912ULS powered. A200
Radio, Flightcom 403 intercom. Aero flash strobes. The radio is intermittently
squealing and tower cannot understand my transmissions. Tried both engine running
and not running. Intermittent either way. When it is working, I get 5/5.
When it begins squealing, 0/0. Previous owner said he had the same issue with
cheaper headsets. Radio worked great, then it didn't. I'm using David Clark
13.2s's. The previous owner has a portable wired in as well, telling me that he's
had issues in the past. There is a falcon T/B gyro, Garmin transponder and
aero flash strobes. When the strobes are on, the pop of the flash comes thru
headsets. I'm really stuck! Bought this plane, and now can't fly it! The rest
of the plane is great,, ending runs PERFECT..... But this radio issue has me beat!
HELLLP!
Chad. :(
Additional info..... There is a handheld wired into the system. It uses its own
separate antenna, but there are two switches on centre console to flip send receive.
I wonder if that wiring is causing the problems.
Helllllp!
--------
C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
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| Subject: | Re: More good 'junque' looking for a home |
At 06:24 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote:
>Who was the lucky winner?
The guy who got the PayPal invoice . . .
which I see you've paid already.
It goes out tomorrow via first class
mail.
Thank you sir!
Bob . . .
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