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1. 03:03 PM - Garmin 250XL Display Failure (Larry Ford)
2. 03:19 PM - Re: Garmin 250XL Display Failure (fedico94@mchsi.com)
3. 03:29 PM - Re: Garmin 250XL Display Failure (Robert Borger)
4. 05:13 PM - Open source wig-wag project (Paul Millner)
5. 05:34 PM - Re: Open source wig-wag project (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 07:34 PM - Re: Open source wig-wag project (Paul Millner)
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| Subject: | Garmin 250XL Display Failure |
I've just experienced the third failure of the display screen (illuminates but
no characters/digits) in 10 years and 835 hours TT. The comm does function but
there's no way to determine the frequency without the display. The last repair
was February 2009 and $653 which had to be "handled" through an avionics shop
as Garmin no longer deals direct with OBAM customers. The aircraft is always
hangared and there are no environmental or vibration issues contributing to the
problem. I'm disinclined to invest any more $$$ in a design that has demonstrated
to be unreliable. It's time to dump the 250XL but I'm leery of upgrading
to other Garmin products if they are just as maintenance intensive. Any others
having similar experiences or am I just unlucky?
Larry Ford
Glasair I RG
N149LF
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 250XL Display Failure |
Have alot of experience with Garmin products through a full Garmin avionics suite
and a G3X system. I have only had the products installed and working for 6
months. At the repair cost I would exit out of a "used" piece of equipment.
In the past a moisture bent circuit board or just a poor design such as the GMA240
Audio Panel is not "owned" by Garmin, they side step the issue. More companies
are entering the transponder nav-com market like Trutrak and Dynon. Customer
service and quality/reliability will make the marketplace competitive.
I am inclined to think that the guy who has 2 or 3 mortagages on his home to
fund his business venture is going to be more attentive to the above as oppossed
to an employee looking out for his own next personal interests.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Ford <psychden@sonic.net>
Sent: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:01:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 250XL Display Failure
I've just experienced the third failure of the display screen (illuminates but
no characters/digits) in 10 years and 835 hours TT. The comm does function but
there's no way to determine the frequency without the display. The last repair
was February 2009 and $653 which had to be "handled" through an avionics shop
as Garmin no longer deals direct with OBAM customers. The aircraft is always
hangared and there are no environmental or vibration issues contributing to the
problem. I'm disinclined to invest any more $$$ in a design that has demonstrated
to be unreliable. It's time to dump the 250XL but I'm leery of upgrading
to other Garmin products if they are just as maintenance intensive. Any others
having similar experiences or am I just unlucky?
Larry Ford
Glasair I RG
N149LF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390116#390116
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 250XL Display Failure |
Larry,
Multiple Garmin units, handheld, automotive and aviation. No problems with any
of them.
Well, almost no problems. I had a Nuvi that I gave to my wife for her use when
my new pickup came with a navigation unit. She threw the Nuvi in the back of
her car and never used it. When I dug it out a year later to update the maps,
it was dead. I called Garmin about a battery replacement and they told me to
plug it in and leave it for a couple days. I did and when I started it up two
days later it worked. Took about a week on and off the charger to recover
the battery but it works just fine now.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Dec 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Larry Ford <psychden@sonic.net> wrote:
I've just experienced the third failure of the display screen (illuminates but
no characters/digits) in 10 years and 835 hours TT. The comm does function but
there's no way to determine the frequency without the display. The last repair
was February 2009 and $653 which had to be "handled" through an avionics shop
as Garmin no longer deals direct with OBAM customers. The aircraft is always
hangared and there are no environmental or vibration issues contributing to the
problem. I'm disinclined to invest any more $$$ in a design that has demonstrated
to be unreliable. It's time to dump the 250XL but I'm leery of upgrading
to other Garmin products if they are just as maintenance intensive. Any others
having similar experiences or am I just unlucky?
Larry Ford
Glasair I RG
N149LF
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| Subject: | Open source wig-wag project |
On 12/7/2012 11:03 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> First passes at the software offered a single-flash
> mode (ostensibly for tungsten lamps) and a triple-flash
> mode for LED lamps due to their faster switching speeds.
Bob,
How well would these work with HID lamps?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Open source wig-wag project |
At 07:11 PM 12/9/2012, you wrote:
>
>
>On 12/7/2012 11:03 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>>First passes at the software offered a single-flash
>>mode (ostensibly for tungsten lamps) and a triple-flash
>>mode for LED lamps due to their faster switching speeds.
>
>Bob,
>
>How well would these work with HID lamps?
Unknown. I think there has been conversation here on
the List indicating that some HID lamps can be flashed
but not all. I've got some I can hook up here on the
bench. When I ran them in my car, I think it took about
20-30 seconds for them to 'warm up' to full light output
after a cold start.
It MIGHT be that they would flash well if they were
operated on-steady for a minute before going to the
wig-wag mode . . .
Have you operated your proposed HID lamps with any
sort of flasher in the past? You could test the
suitability by simply turning one of them on/off
at about 1/2 second per flash. Right now the 9012
is set up for triple flash but COULD be offered in
single flash mode.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Open source wig-wag project |
On 12/9/2012 5:34 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> Have you operated your proposed HID lamps with any
> sort of flasher in the past?
I have not, but they are the ones Precise Flight and Knots 2 U sell
(joint development project). And Precise Flight sells a modified
flasher for them (made of deep unobtanium)... so some kind of flashing
stratagem supposedly works, though not the conventional PulseLight,
supposedly.
Paul
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