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     1. 02:50 AM - Re: Lucas Electrical Theory (jan)
     2. 11:39 AM - Re: Lucas Electrical Theory (Kent Ogden)
     3. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Iron-Constantan oil temp gauge (Paul Millner)
     4. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Iron-Constantan oil temp gauge (Paul Millner)
     5. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Iron-Constantan oil temp gauge (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     6. 07:36 PM - Re: TV Antennas in parallel (user9253)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:50:04 AM PST US
    From: jan <jan@CLAVER.DEMON.CO.UK>
    Subject: Lucas Electrical Theory
    Brilliant !! _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch Sent: 22 December 2012 04:10 Subject: AeroElectric-List: Lucas Electrical Theory For your holiday laughs. ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS Positive ground depends on proper circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as "smoke". Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British Intelligence leaks national defense secrets. Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable. In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries of electrical components especially British units manufactured by Joseph Lucas, Ltd. And remember: "A gentleman does not motor about after dark." Joseph Lucas "The Prince of Darkness" 1842-1903 A few Lucas quips: The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark." Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE. The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. If Lucas made guns, wars would not start Back in the '70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which did not suck. Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators. This has been referred to as the smoke theory, when the smoke comes out it's finished, cooked or done for. <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} pre {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brilliant !! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ralph Finch<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 22 December 2012 04:10<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> aeroelectric-list@matronics.com<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> AeroElectric-List: Lucas Electrical Theory</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>For your holiday laughs.<br> <br> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS<br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span id="yui_3_7_2_1_1356148789704_4499"></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span id="yui_3_7_2_1_1356148789704_4491">Positive ground depends on proper circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as &#8220;smoke&#8221;. Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an electrical circuit, it stops working. &nbsp;This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing.<br> <br> For example, if one places a copper bar across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable!<br> <br> The function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward.<br> <br> Starter motors were considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very unsightly large wires.<br> <br> It has been reported that Lucas electrical components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.<br> <br> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.<br> <br> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries of electrical components especially British units manufactured by Joseph Lucas, Ltd.<br> <br> And remember: &#8220;A gentleman does not motor about after dark.&#8221;<br> <br> Joseph Lucas &#8220;The Prince of Darkness&#8221;<br> 1842-1903<br> <br> A few Lucas quips:<br> <br> The Lucas motto: &#8220;Get home before dark.&#8221;<br> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.<br> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.<br> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.<br> <br> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.<br> <br> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.<br> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start<br> <br> Back in the &#8216;70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which did not suck.<br> <br> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? 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    Time: 11:39:20 AM PST US
    From: "Kent Ogden" <ogdenk@upstate.edu>
    Subject: Re: Lucas Electrical Theory
    Here is an excellent tribute to Joseph Lucas: http://www.hummingbirds.net/lucas/index.html Don't think on it too long ;) Kent Ogden RV-10 (wings), getting my electrical questions ready . . Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "jan <jan@claver.demon.co.uk>" <jan@claver.dem on.co.uk> wrote: > Brilliant !! > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelec tric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch > Sent: 22 December 2012 04:10 > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Lucas Electrical Theory > > For your holiday laughs. > > ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS > > Positive ground depends on proper circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as =93smoke=94. Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing. > > For example, if one places a copper bar across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! > > The function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. > > Starter motors were considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very unsightly large wires. > > It has been reported that Lucas electrical components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British Intelligence leaks national defense secrets. > > Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable. > > In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries of electrical components especially British units manufactured by Joseph Lucas, Ltd. > > And remember: =93A gentleman does not motor about after dark.=94 > > Joseph Lucas =93The Prince of Darkness=94 > 1842-1903 > > A few Lucas quips: > > The Lucas motto: =93Get home before dark.=94 > Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. > Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. > Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. > > The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE. > > The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. > If Lucas made guns, wars would not start > > Back in the =9170s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which did not suck. > > Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators. > > This has been referred to as the smoke theory, when the smoke comes out it's finished, cooked or done for. > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== >


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    Time: 01:36:06 PM PST US
    From: Paul Millner <millner@me.com>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Iron-Constantan oil temp gauge
    On 12/20/2012 8:17 PM, nuckollsr wrote: > In the present case, we're talking about type-K (iron-constantan) wire-couple Don't think so... Type J is iron-constantan. Type K is chromel-alumel, no? Paul


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    Time: 02:13:29 PM PST US
    From: Paul Millner <millner@me.com>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Iron-Constantan oil temp gauge
    On 12/20/2012 8:17 PM, nuckollsr wrote: > In the present case, we're talking about type-K (iron-constantan) wire-couple Don't think so... Type J is iron-constantan. Type K is chromel-alumel, no? Paul


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    Time: 02:27:11 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Iron-Constantan oil temp gauge
    At 03:34 PM 12/22/2012, you wrote: > > >On 12/20/2012 8:17 PM, nuckollsr wrote: >>In the present case, we're talking about type-K >>(iron-constantan) wire-couple > >Don't think so... Type J is iron-constantan. Type K is chromel-alumel, no? Ah yes . . . but of course . . . thanks for saving me from stepping off into that hole! Dave, what colors the insulation on your thermocouple leads. "Most" folks follow the convention for Type J wire (Iron Constantan) to have red and white insulation on the individual strands. http://tinyurl.com/cutt7qu The Type K wire (Chromel-Alumel) strands are usually yellow and red. http://tinyurl.com/cgz6yxe I think one of the reasons that Type-J wire is not favored for long term installation is vulnerablity to corrosion for the iron wire. If the probe you have did indeed rust through one of the conductors, it seems likely that your working with J wire, not K. In fact, I note that the back of your gage is marked for 8 ohm, I-C leads. I think you mentioned that earlier but it got stuck in a transient short between the headphones. This page on Omega.com will let you order 25' of GG-J-20S wire for about $32. I think I'd use new wire and fabricate a new probe from scratch. Silver solder a piece of stainless tube into a suitable brass pipe plug. Fabricate a thermocouple with a few twists of bared conductor and capture them into the deep end of the tube by mashing in a vice. Then silver solder the deep end of the probe shut. According to this table http://tinyurl.com/d8c67e7 The loop resistance for 20 gage stranded type J wire is .348 ohms per foot. An 8-ohm probe lead would require all of the 25 feet. Were your old leads that long? The they were originally 22AWG, then the overall length would have been about 16' Alternatively, you could use a shorter lead set up to require a precision low-ohms resistor. For example, a 10' lead set of 20S I-C wire would have a resistance on the order of 3.5 ohms . . . so you'd want to insert an additional 4.5 ohms in series with one lead. Yeah, this creates some parasitic thermocouples but they are opposing pairs in close thermal proximity. Self powered thermocouple instruments for large airplanes used to always require calibration resistors. This let you use a common instrument and probes for all 4 engines while offering a way to compensate for different installed lengths of thermocouple wire. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:36:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: TV Antennas in parallel
    From: "user9253" <fransew@gmail.com>
    http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/ganging.html There is a drawing on this website that is similar to the way that I connected my antennas together, except that my 3 antennas are all connected in parallel. Another 300 ohm cable connects that junction to a balun for conversion to 75 ohms. After reading this article, I realize that I am lucky to have good reception. Joe -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390839#390839




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