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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Indicator Help (Michael Welch)
2. 05:14 AM - Indicator Help (Owen Baker)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: Indicator Help (Ralph)
4. 10:52 AM - Re: Indicator Help (Richard E. Tasker)
5. 04:18 PM - Circuit breakers for sale (Richard Girard)
6. 05:06 PM - Re: Indicator Help (Nati Niv)
7. 06:10 PM - Aeroled wiring (Rick Lark)
8. 06:50 PM - Re: Aeroled wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 07:17 PM - Re: Aeroled wiring (Rick Lark)
10. 07:32 PM - Re: Indicator Help (Richard E. Tasker)
11. 11:01 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:06 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Indicator Help |
On Dec 31, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote:
> OC,
>
> That linear actuator seems like overkill. Have you tried increasing
the chord of the trim tab? You can increase the length of the control
horn and or increase the chord of the tab and you should be able to use
the servo you have.
>
> RAC has a trim tab travel computer that shows the movement you will
get with the different servos. Attached.
>
> Bill B
>
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Owen
Baker
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:12 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Indicator Help
>
> 12/31/2012
>
> Hello Bob Nuckolls and Fellow Listers, Here is the situation:
>
> I have a spring bias pitch trim system in my KIS TR-1 experimental
amateur built airplane. I am using a Ray Allen T3-12A servo with their
RP 3 LED type indicator installed in my instrument panel. The 1.2 inch
travel of the T3-12A servo is just not enough movement to give me the
trim travel needed at both ends, nose up and nose down. See here:
>
> http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html
>
> My intended solution is to purchase and install an electrical linear
actuator with a position indicator such as this:
>
>
http://www.aeicomp.com/Detail.asp?Product_ID=302.390_6102TP&Product=Po
tentiometer+Feedback+2%22+Linear+Actuator+%28Speed+1%2F2%22+per+Sec%29+w%2
F10K+Ohm+Pot++%22IP65+Rated%22
>
> My questions:
>
> Indicator Question 1: Could I possibly use the already installed Ray
Allen LED indicator with the 10K OHM POT that this linear actuator is
equipped with? See here:
>
> http://www.aeicomp.com/image2/AE-6102TP.pdf
>
> and here:
>
> http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/instructionsRP3.pdf
>
> Indicator Question 2: If so how would I connect the three LED
indicator wires (orange, green (signal return), blue) to the three wires
(white-ground, yellow-V input, blue-RS input) of the actuator?
>
> Indicator Question 3: Assuming that I cannot use the Ray Allen LED
indicator with this linear actuator where can I obtain an indicator that
will work with this actuator? (AEI declines to help me with this
question.)
>
> Speed Control Question: The linear actuator is much faster than the
Ray Allen actuator and I expect that I will have to slow down the
linear actuator. What is the best way to accomplish this?
>
> Many thanks for your help.
>
> OC
>
> 'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
gather and understand information."
>
>
> www.buildersbooks.com
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> <trimtabtravelcomputer.pdf>
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1/1/2013
Hello Bill, You wrote: =9CHave you tried increasing the chord of
the trim tab?=9D
Thanks for your input. I left out one important piece of information in
my posting. I do not have a trim tab. I am spring biasing the entire
elevator push rod with a center stop spring bias system.
I have experimented extensively with spring strength and rod lengths for
the springs and the only solution appears to be more center stop
movement.
OC
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Time: 08:45:27 PM PST US
From: "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Indicator Help
OC,
That linear actuator seems like overkill. Have you tried increasing the
chord of the trim tab? You can increase the length of the control horn
and
or increase the chord of the tab and you should be able to use the servo
you
have.
RAC has a trim tab travel computer that shows the movement you will get
with
the different servos. Attached.
Bill B
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Subject: | Re: Indicator Help |
OC,
If you have the ray Allen potentiometer measure it with an ohm meter and see if
it 10k total. If so it will work. There is not enough info published on the Ray
Allen to tell but a simple way to construct these LED indicators is with a
series of comparators that compare the input voltage to a fixed voltage. In that
case it would be fairly insensitive to the source impedance of the voltage
within reason.
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm3914.pdf
The linear actuator you have selected is quite beefy! How much force do you really
need? Could you use a lever with the Ray Allen to increase the range of motion
without running out of force required?
Ralph Hoover
Sent from my iPad
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Subject: | Re: Indicator Help |
Here is the schematic for the Ray Allen indicator. As shipped it uses a 5k pot.
Since the wiper of the pot drives a high impedance op amp node you could just
add a 10K resistor in parallel with the
10K pot in your actuator (between white and yellow) and the LEDs should work properly.
With this schematic you should be able to figure out how to connect the actuator
to the indicator. My best guess is shown below:
Actuator -> Indicator
White -> Blue (Common)
Yellow -> Orange (+V)
Blue -> Green (wiper)
If the pot is isolated then the orange and blue wires can be swapped if the indicator
operates in reverse to what you want. If the actuator pot is not isolated
(I assume it is) the the Ray Allen
indicator will not work quite right (the indicator blue wire is not at ground potential),
but may be okay for your application.
Dick Tasker
Owen Baker wrote:
> 12/31/2012
> Hello Bob Nuckolls and Fellow Listers, Here is the situation:
> I have a spring bias pitch trim system in my KIS TR-1 experimental amateur built
airplane. I am using a Ray Allen T3-12A servo with their RP 3 LED type indicator
installed in my instrument panel.
> The 1.2 inch travel of the T3-12A servo is just not enough movement to give me
the trim travel needed at both ends, nose up and nose down. See here:
> http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html
> My intended solution is to purchase and install an electrical linear actuator
with a position indicator such as this:
> http://www.aeicomp.com/Detail.asp?Product_ID=302.390_6102TP&Product=Potentiometer+Feedback+2%22+Linear+Actuator+%28Speed+1%2F2%22+per+Sec%29+w%2F10K+Ohm+Pot++%22IP65+Rated%22
> My questions:
> Indicator Question 1: Could I possibly use the already installed Ray Allen LED
indicator with the 10K OHM POT that this linear actuator is equipped with?
See here:
> http://www.aeicomp.com/image2/AE-6102TP.pdf
> and here:
> http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/instructionsRP3.pdf
> Indicator Question 2: If so how would I connect the three LED indicator wires
(orange, green (signal return), blue) to the three wires (white-ground, yellow-V
input, blue-RS input) of the actuator?
> Indicator Question 3: Assuming that I cannot use the Ray Allen LED indicator
with this linear actuator where can I obtain an indicator that will work with
this actuator? (AEI declines to help me
> with this question.)
> Speed Control Question: The linear actuator is much faster than the Ray Allen
actuator and I expect that I will have to slow down the linear actuator. What
is the best way to accomplish this?
> Many thanks for your help.
> OC
> 'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to gather and
understand information."
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Subject: | Circuit breakers for sale |
I have 9 NOS aircraft circuit breakers that I'd like to pass along to
someone who can put them to use. Five are Wood Electric brand, 2 Five amp,
1 Eight amp, 1 Fifteen amp, and 2 Twenty amp. Four are Mechanical Product
all are Ten amp. Four have no mounting nuts, none have a locator washer.
$50 for all includes shipping to the lower 48 via Priority Mail.
Rick Girard
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Subject: | Re: Indicator Help |
Here are my suggestions:
1) Buy the linear actuator from here, same product better
choice of models better product technical specifications
http://www.e-motionllc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=FA%2DPO%2D150%2
D12%2D2&Show=TechSpecs
2) If 1.2=94 is not sufficient, 2=94 will probably not suf
fice
too to your application, select a product with higher stroke, 3=94 4=94 or
so.
3) To reduce travel speed, select a product with lower
speed. To reduce speed further more you can add power resistor in series
to the motor, try values from 10 to 50 ohms. You can always get fancy with
electronically regulated power supplies, but practically speaking a
resistor with the right value will do the job
4) Last but not least: do not pay attention to the
difference in pot impedance. The Allen Ray indicator will work just fine
because it actually measures voltages between 0 to 12 volts and also both
the pot circuit in the actuator and the input circuitry of the AR indicator
are isolated from ground, you should have no problem with the AR indicator
if connected properly.
Best Regards
Nati Niv
RANS S6
Illinois
(PS: with field experience with both line of products)
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
> 12/31/2012
>
> Hello Bob Nuckolls and Fellow Listers, Here is the situation:
>
> I have a spring bias pitch trim system in my KIS TR-1 experimental amateu
r
> built airplane. I am using a Ray Allen T3-12A servo with their RP 3 LED
> type indicator installed in my instrument panel. The 1.2 inch travel of t
he
> T3-12A servo is just not enough movement to give me the trim travel neede
d
> at both ends, nose up and nose down. See here:
>
> http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html
>
> My intended solution is to purchase and install an electrical linear
> actuator with a position indicator such as this:
>
>
> http://www.aeicomp.com/Detail.asp?Product_ID=302.390_6102TP&Product=P
otentiometer+Feedback+2%22+Linear+Actuator+%28Speed+1%2F2%22+per+Sec%29+w%2
F10K+Ohm+Pot++%22IP65+Rated%22
>
> My questions:
>
> Indicator Question 1: Could I possibly use the already installed Ray Alle
n
> LED indicator with the 10K OHM POT that this linear actuator is equippe
d
> with? See here:
>
> http://www.aeicomp.com/image2/AE-6102TP.pdf
>
> and here:
>
> http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/instructionsRP3.pdf
>
> Indicator Question 2: If so how would I connect the three LED indicator
> wires (orange, green (signal return), blue) to the three wires
> (white-ground, yellow-V input, blue-RS input) of the actuator?
>
> Indicator Question 3: Assuming that I cannot use the Ray Allen LED
> indicator with this linear actuator where can I obtain an indicator that
> will work with this actuator? (AEI declines to help me with this question
.)
>
> Speed Control Question: The linear actuator is much faster than the Ray
> Allen actuator and I expect that I will have to slow down the linear
> actuator. What is the best way to accomplish this?
>
> Many thanks for your help.
>
> OC
>
> 'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to gathe
r
> and understand information."
>
> *
>
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Hi all
I've started wiring my -10 and am wondering if what I'm proposing is within
normal wiring standards.
A shielded 20 ga, 3 conductor wire enters the wing tip near the rear wing
spar, goes forward to the leading edge. I'd like to remove about 2" of
outer insulation, 3' from the end, pull the shielding away from the 3
wires, solder another wire to the shield and ground to the metal wing rib.
The 3' shielded wire then goes to the Aeroled light via a 4 pin connector,
with the shielding tieing to the Aeroled base as per installation
instructions.
The idea is to ground at the light base and at the outboard wing rib while
still having enough wire to set the wing tip on the floor. I guess I could
run another ground wire from the light base directly to the ouboard rib,
but why not use the shielding as it passes the rib?
Does this configuration seem right?
Thx, Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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Subject: | Re: Aeroled wiring |
At 08:09 PM 1/1/2013, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>I've started wiring my -10 and am wondering if what I'm proposing is
>within normal wiring standards.
>
>A shielded 20 ga, 3 conductor wire enters the wing tip near the rear
>wing spar, goes forward to the leading edge. I'd like to remove
>about 2" of outer insulation, 3' from the end, pull the shielding
>away from the 3 wires, solder another wire to the shield and ground
>to the metal wing rib. The 3' shielded wire then goes to the
>Aeroled light via a 4 pin connector, with the shielding tieing to
>the Aeroled base as per installation instructions.
what part number of AEROLED are you using? I'd
like to see the instructions.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Aeroled wiring |
Bob, a pair of Pulsar NS 90's and the Suntail.
Here's a link to the installation instructions.
http://www.aeroleds.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=VLoy7bgULOw%3d&tabid=6250
I've seen your description on how to add a faston connector to shielding,
so I'm basically proposing the same thing, just not at the end of the wire.
Make sense?
Thx, Rick
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com**>
>
> At 08:09 PM 1/1/2013, you wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I've started wiring my -10 and am wondering if what I'm proposing is
>> within normal wiring standards.
>>
>> A shielded 20 ga, 3 conductor wire enters the wing tip near the rear wing
>> spar, goes forward to the leading edge. I'd like to remove about 2" of
>> outer insulation, 3' from the end, pull the shielding away from the 3
>> wires, solder another wire to the shield and ground to the metal wing rib.
>> The 3' shielded wire then goes to the Aeroled light via a 4 pin connector,
>> with the shielding tieing to the Aeroled base as per installation
>> instructions.
>>
>
> what part number of AEROLED are you using? I'd
> like to see the instructions.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Indicator Help |
Nati Niv wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> 4)Last but not least: do not pay attention to the difference in pot impedance.
The Allen Ray indicator will work just fine because it actually measures voltages
between 0 to 12 volts and also both
> the pot circuit in the actuator and the input circuitry of the AR indicator are
isolated from ground, you should have no problem with the AR indicator if connected
properly.
>
It actually does NOT measure voltages between 0-12V unless they have changed the
design recently. See the circuit diagram I sent earlier. It measures from
an internal 1.26V reference through a 5K
pot and a 1K resistor in series.
And it is Ray Allen...
Dick Tasker
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Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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