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1. 01:20 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 06/24/13 (D L Josephson)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: #2 Welding Cable (Eric M. Jones)
3. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (wynaire@citlink.net)
4. 10:35 AM - Re: #2 Welding Cable (Eric M. Jones)
5. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Henador Titzoff)
6. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Jay Hyde)
7. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Rob Housman)
8. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (wynaire@citlink.net)
9. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Richard Girard)
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13. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Neal George)
14. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Henador Titzoff)
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 06/24/13 |
> From: Chuck Birdsall<cbirdsall6@cox.net>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: ELT antenna location
>
>
> I'm putting a 406MHz ELT (ACK E-04) in my Piper Cherokee in place of
> dead OE Narco.
>
> One of the statements in the installation manual - and in other
> references such as AC43.13-2 and antenna manufacturers - says that the
> ELT antenna should be at least 36 inches from a Com antenna. Key word:
> Should.
(snip)
>
> So the questions are:
> Am I going to have to move the Com 2 antenna?
> What are the risk factors if I leave the antenna locations as they are?
My suggestion is that it will be just fine, assuming that you use the
antenna supplied with the E-04. The comm will be affected just as it was
with the other ELT antenna there, or maybe a little less. The ELT
radiation pattern will be affected, but I would think only slightly, and
not at all on 406 MHz. The only risk factor I can think of is that there
might be a little more potential for intermodulation if you are
transmitting on Com 2 while the ELT is transmitting, but that's a highly
unlikely scenario.
--
David Josephson
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many
many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too.
Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tech polyester
insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Super-8 uses
a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others).
All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, racecars,
helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.
I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
Hello Eric,=0AThis may be a "loose canon" question..=0AIn a glass/plastic a
ircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same size [dia.]?- Seems
in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back to the battery" than
going out..., hence the-allowance-for a smaller pipe! =0AThanks in adv
ance,=0AMike W=0ALNC2 360 builder forever ;)=0APS: Your heavy cabling is on
my list of must have items. =0A************=0A=0A=0A>_____________________
___________=0A> From: Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>=0A>To: aeroelectr
ic-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM=0A>Subject:
AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A> =0A>=0A>--> AeroElectric-List
message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>=0A>=0A>I've been s
elling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many many h
appy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too.=0A>=0A
>Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tec
h polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Supe
r-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others
).=0A>=0A>All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in ballo
ons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.=0A>=0A
>I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.=0A>
=0A>--------=0A>Eric M. Jones=0A>www.PerihelionDesign.com=0A>113 Brentwood
Drive=0A>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>(508) 764-2072=0A>emjones(at)charter.net
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
> ...This may be a "loose cannon" question...In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both
polarity cables need to be the same size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there
are less electrons "coming back to the battery" than going out..., hence the
allowance for a smaller pipe! ...Mike W
What a wonderful question! In fact, there are exactly and precisely as many electrons
returning as got sent out. Electrons don't go back to "battery rehab" for
another trip. The true picture is far more complicated, and if you decided
you wanted to know, you'd never finish your airplane.
In a metal airplane, letting the metal body carry the ground current is possible
but not to be undertaken without some serious engineering work, and might change
over time. Letting the metal tube frame carry the ground current likewise
is problematic.
See attached.
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
Mike,=0A=0AAccording to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say be
low is not true.=0A-=0A=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0A From: "wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net>=0ATo: "aeroe
lectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tues
day, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding
Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AHello Eric,=0AThis may be a "loose canon" question..=0AI
n a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same siz
e [dia.]?- Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back t
o the battery" than going out..., hence the-allowance-for a smaller pip
e! =0AThanks in advance,=0AMike W=0ALNC2 360 builder forever ;)=0APS: Your
heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. =0A************=0A=0A=0AFro
m: Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>=0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.c
om =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM=0A>Subject: AeroElectric-List:
Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>=0A>=0A>I've been selling=0A Copper-cla
d-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many many happy users on the
Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too.=0A>=0A>Sizes Super-2-CC
A and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tech polyester insul
ation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Super-8 uses a TFE "T
efzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others).=0A>=0A>All of
these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, racecars, he
licopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.=0A>=0A>I will gladly se
nd a free sample to interested builders. See attached.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>E
ric M. Jones=0A>www.PerihelionDesign.com=0A>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>Southbri
dge, MA 01550=0A>(508) 764-2072=0A>emjones(at)charter.net=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
Correct; whilst the relative voltage changes in a series circuit, the
current stays the same throughout the circuit. We size cables by
considering the current through them, and the voltage drop incurred across
the line until it gets to the load; the current being the primary factor.
Since the current is the same throughout the circuit the return line must be
the same size as the supply line.
Johannesburg Jay
PS I think that it was Kirchoff's law and not Krucshev's J
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador
Titzoff
Sent: 25 June 2013 07:51 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
Mike,
According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is not
true.
Henador Titzoff
_____
From: "wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
Hello Eric,
This may be a "loose canon" question..
In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same
size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back
to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe!
Thanks in advance,
Mike W
LNC2 360 builder forever ;)
PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items.
************
From: Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
<emjones@charter.net>
I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years.
Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it
too.
Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tech
polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Super-8
uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others).
All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons,
racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.
I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
It was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in engineering.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS
Rotax 914
S/N A070
Airframe complete
Avionics soon
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador
Titzoff
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
Mike,
According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is not
true.
Henador Titzoff
_____
From: "wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
Hello Eric,
This may be a "loose canon" question..
In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same
size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back
to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe!
Thanks in advance,
Mike W
LNC2 360 builder forever ;)
PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items.
************
From: Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
<emjones@charter.net>
I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years.
Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it
too.
Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tech
polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Super-8
uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others).
All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons,
racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.
I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
Thanks for your clear reply to my [humor intended] question. Ironic that yo
u mention the ex-USSR president, as he remains a hero to some friends [USSR
], primarily for trying to get corn started in the countryside. Better it h
ad been "popcorn." I still enjoy watching kids eyes when popping in a bag o
f micro-waveable corn for them, on visits [Belarus].=C2-=C2- Mank=0A=0A
=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Jay Hyde <jay@horriblehyde.c
om>=0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013
12:48 PM=0A>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A> =0A>
=0A>=0A>Correct; whilst the relative voltage changes in a series circuit, t
he current stays the same throughout the circuit.=C2- We size cables by c
onsidering the current through them, and the voltage drop incurred across t
he line until it gets to the load; the current being the primary factor.=C2
- Since the current is the same throughout the circuit the return line mu
st be the same size as the supply line.=0A>=C2-=0A>Johannesburg Jay=0A>PS
I think that it was Kirchoff=99s law and not Krucshev=99s=C2
- J=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>From:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.
com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hena
dor Titzoff=0A>Sent: 25 June 2013 07:51 PM=0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matroni
cs.com=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>=C2-=0A
>Mike,=0A>=0A>According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say
below is not true.=0A>=C2-=0A>Henador Titzoff=0A>=0A>___________________
_____________=0A>=0A>From:"wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net>=0A>To
: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> =0A>S
ent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re:
#2 Welding Cable=0A>=C2-=0A>Hello Eric,=0A>This may be a "loose canon" qu
estion..=0A>In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be
the same size [dia.]?=C2- Seems in reality, that there are less electron
s "coming back to the battery" than going out..., hence the=C2-allowance
=C2-for a smaller pipe! =0A>Thanks in advance,=0A>Mike W=0A>LNC2 360 buil
der forever ;)=0A>PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items.
=0A>************=0A>=C2-=0A>>From:Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>=0A>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28
AM=0A>>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>>=0A>>--> AeroE
lectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>=0A>>
=0A>>I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for ye
ars. Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters lov
e it too.=0A>>=0A>>Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame
retardant high tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insul
ation can be. Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the m
ilitary and others).=0A>>=0A>>All of these are designed for aircraft use bu
t find uses in balloons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight
is important.=0A>>=0A>>I will gladly send a free sample to interested build
ers. See attached.=0A>>=0A>>--------=0A>>Eric M. Jones=0A>>http://www.perih
eliondesign.com/=0A>>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>>(508
) 764-2072=0A>>emjones(at)charter.net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Read this top
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
Kruschev's Law says: "Politicians are the same everywhere, they want to
build you a bridge when you have no river."
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Rob Housman <rob@hyperion-ef.com> wrote:
> It was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in engineering.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Rob Housman****
>
> ** **
>
> Irvine, California****
>
> Europa XS****
>
> Rotax 914****
>
> S/N A070****
>
> Airframe complete****
>
> Avionics soon****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Henador
> Titzoff
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM
>
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable****
>
> ** **
>
> Mike,
>
> According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is not
> true.
> ****
>
> Henador Titzoff****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* "wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net>
> *To:* "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable****
>
> ** **
>
> Hello Eric,****
>
> This may be a "loose canon" question..****
>
> In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same
> size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back
> to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe!
> ****
>
> Thanks in advance,****
>
> Mike W****
>
> LNC2 360 builder forever ;)****
>
> PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. ****
>
> ****************
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM
> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable****
>
>
> emjones@charter.net>
>
> I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years.
> Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it
> too.
>
> Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high
> tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be.
> Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and
> others).
>
> All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons,
> racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.
>
> I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.
>
> --------
> Eric M. Jones
> www.PerihelionDesign.com
> 113 Brentwood Drive
> Southbridge, MA 01550
> (508) 764-2072
> emjones(at)charter.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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John, actually it's Kirchoff's voltage and current laws.=C2- He formulate
d them in 1845, which is way back before we had EE decrees.=0A=0AWhen I arr
ived on the crypto scene in 1969, the old timers had been calling them Khru
shchev's voltage and current laws as a JOKE.=C2- Do you guys get it?=C2
- Both names start with a K and kinda sound alike unless you're German or
Russian.=C2- Then they don't.=0A=C2-=0A=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________=0A From: "john.maccallum@bigpond.com" <john.ma
ccallum@bigpond.com>=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday
, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM=0ASubject: AeroElectric-List: =EF=BBRe: AeroElec
tric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AKirchoffs law I think you mean.
The sum of the current flowing into a node is equal to the sum of the curr
ent flowing out of a node. Or in other words you need the same size cables.
=0ACheers =0AJohn MacCallum=0A=0ASent from my HTC One XL on the Telstra 4G
network=0A=0A=0A----- Reply message -----=0AFrom: "Henador Titzoff" <henado
r_titzoff@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-
list@matronics.com>=0ASubject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0ADa
te: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 01:51=0A=0A=0AMike,=0A=0AAccording to Krucshev's curr
ent and voltage law, what you say below is not true.=0A=C2-=0A=0AHenador
Titzoff=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "wynaire@citlink.n
et" <wynaire@citlink.net>=0ATo: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelec
tric-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM=0ASubject:
Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A=0A=0A=0AHello Eric,=0AThis
may be a "loose canon" question..=0AIn a glass/plastic aircraft, do both po
larity cables need to be the same size [dia.]?=C2- Seems in reality, that
there are less electrons "coming back to the battery" than going out..., h
ence the=C2-allowance=C2-for a smaller pipe! =0AThanks in advance,=0AMi
ke W=0ALNC2 360 builder forever ;)=0APS: Your heavy cabling is on my list o
f must have items. =0A************=0A=0A=0AFrom: Eric M. Jones <emjones@cha
rter.net>=0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25
, 2013 6:28 AM=0A>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A> =0A>
er.net>=0A>=0A>I've been selling=0ACopper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several
sizes for years. Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel d
ragsters love it too.=0A>=0A>Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a V
W-1 flame retardant high tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent a
s an insulation can be. Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-
8 to the military and others).=0A>=0A>All of these are designed for aircraf
t use but find uses in balloons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where
weight is important.=0A>=0A>I will gladly send a free sample to interested
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Design.com=0A>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>(508) 764-207
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Re: #2 Welding Cable
Hey Henador -
Good joke - too much damage control but I get it now (I am also prepared to
accept "EE decrees" as another joke . . ?).
All is well -
Bill
SF bay area
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Henador Titzoff
<henador_titzoff@yahoo.com>wrote:
> John, actually it's Kirchoff's voltage and current laws. He formulated
> them in 1845, which is way back before we had EE decrees.
>
> When I arrived on the crypto scene in 1969, the old timers had been
> calling them Khrushchev's voltage and current laws as a JOKE. Do you guy
s
> get it? Both names start with a K and kinda sound alike unless you're
> German or Russian. Then they don't.
>
> Henador Titzoff
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "john.maccallum@bigpond.com" <john.maccallum@bigpond.com>
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM
> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: =EF=BBRe: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Weld
ing Cable
>
> Kirchoffs law I think you mean. The sum of the current flowing into a nod
e
> is equal to the sum of the current flowing out of a node. Or in other wor
ds
> you need the same size cables.
> Cheers
> John MacCallum
>
> Sent from my HTC One XL on the Telstra 4G network
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Henador Titzoff" <henador_titzoff@yahoo.com>
> To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
> Date: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 01:51
>
>
> Mike,
>
> According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is no
t
> true.
>
>
> Henador Titzoff
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net>
> To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
>
>
> Hello Eric,
> This may be a "loose canon" question..
> In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same
> size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming bac
k
> to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe
!
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike W
> LNC2 360 builder forever ;)
> PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items.
> ************
>
>
> From: Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>
> >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM
> >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
> >
> >
> emjones@charter.net>
> >
> >I've been selling
> Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many many happy
> users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too.
> >
> >Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high
> tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be.
> Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and
> others).
> >
> >All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons,
> racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.
> >
> >I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.
> >
> >--------
> >Eric M. Jones
> >www.PerihelionDesign.com
> >113 Brentwood Drive
> >Southbridge, MA 01550
> >(508) 764-2072
> >emjones(at)charter.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Attachments:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectbsp;
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Wasn't Krucshev the guy with the shoe...?
Neal George
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:57 PM, "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com> wrote:
> It was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in engineering
.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Irvine, California
> Europa XS
> Rotax 914
> S/N A070
> Airframe complete
> Avionics soon
>
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelect
ric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador Titzoff
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
>
> Mike,
>
> According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is not
true.
>
> Henador Titzoff
> From: "wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net>
> To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
>
> Hello Eric,
> This may be a "loose canon" question..
> In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same s
ize [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back to
the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe!
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike W
> LNC2 360 builder forever ;)
> PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items.
> ************
>
> From: Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
>
net>
>
> I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years.
Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it t
oo.
>
> Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tec
h polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Super
-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others).
>
> All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, race
cars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.
>
> I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.
>
> --------
> Eric M. Jones
> www.PerihelionDesign.com
> 113 Brentwood Drive
> Southbridge, MA 01550
> (508) 764-2072
> emjones(at)charter.net
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: #2 Welding Cable |
Yes, Neal, everybody thought Krushchev was a heel, but he had a lot of sole
.=0A=0A-=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr
om: Neal George <neal.george@gmail.com>=0ATo: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.
com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:37
PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AWasn
't Krucshev the guy with the shoe...?=0A=0ANeal George=0ASent from my iPhon
e=0A=0AOn Jun 25, 2013, at 1:57 PM, "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com> wro
te:=0A=0A=0AIt was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in
engineering.=0A>-=0A>-=0A>Best regards,=0A>-=0A>Rob Housman=0A>-=0A
>Irvine, California=0A>Europa XS=0A>Rotax 914=0A>S/N A070=0A>Airframe compl
ete=0A>Avionics soon=0A>-=0A>From:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronic
s.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of He
nador Titzoff=0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM=0A>To: aeroelectric-
list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable
=0A>-=0A>Mike,=0A>=0A>According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, wh
at you say below is not true.=0A>-=0A>Henador Titzoff=0A>=0A>____________
____________________=0A>=0A>From:"wynaire@citlink.net" <wynaire@citlink.net
>=0A>To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-Lis
t: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>-=0A>Hello Eric,=0A>This may be a "loose canon
" question..=0A>In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need t
o be the same size [dia.]?- Seems in reality, that there are less electro
ns "coming back to the battery" than going out..., hence the-allowance-
for a smaller pipe! =0A>Thanks in advance,=0A>Mike W=0A>LNC2 360 builder fo
rever ;)=0A>PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. =0A>**
**********=0A>-=0A>>From:Eric M. Jones <emjones@charter.net>=0A>>To: aero
electric-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM=0A>>S
ubject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>>=0A>>--> AeroElectric-L
ist message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>=0A>>=0A>>I've
been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many
many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too.
=0A>>=0A>>Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant
high tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can
be. Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military a
nd others).=0A>>=0A>>All of these are designed for aircraft use but find us
es in balloons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is import
ant.=0A>>=0A>>I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See
attached.=0A>>=0A>>--------=0A>>Eric M. Jones=0A>>www.PerihelionDesign.com
=0A>>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>>(508) 764-2072=0A>>e
mjones(at)charter.net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Read this topic online here:
=0A>>=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388=0A>>
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