---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/26/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:49 AM - Re: #2 Welding Cable (GLEN MATEJCEK) 2. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (wynaire@citlink.net) 3. 12:56 PM - forest of earths (Bill Allen) 4. 01:34 PM - Re: forest of earths (R. curtis) 5. 01:59 PM - Re: forest of earths (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 02:09 PM - Re: forest of earths (Vern Little) 7. 02:58 PM - Re: forest of earths (Bill Allen) 8. 02:59 PM - Re: forest of earths (Bill Allen) 9. 03:02 PM - Re: forest of earths (Bill Allen) 10. 03:33 PM - Good deal on handy bench supply (nuckollsr) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:05 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable From: GLEN MATEJCEK And I though I was getting old! ;-) >From: Neal George >Wasn't Krucshev the guy with the shoe...? On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:58 AM, AeroElectric-List Digest Server < aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete AeroElectric-List Digest can also be found in either of > the > two Web Links listed below. 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Jones) > 3. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (wynaire@citlink.net) > 4. 10:35 AM - Re: #2 Welding Cable (Eric M. Jones) > 5. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Henador Titzoff) > 6. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Jay Hyde) > 7. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Rob Housman) > 8. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (wynaire@citlink.net) > 9. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Richard Girard) > 10. 03:31 PM - > =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEFlcm9FbGVjdHJpYy1MaXN0OiBSZTogIzIgV2VsZGluZyBDYWJsZQ==? > (=?utf-8?B?am9obi5tYWNjYWxsdW1AYmlncG9uZC5jb20=?=) > 11. 04:15 PM - > =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEFlcm9FbGVjdHJpYy1MaXN0OiDvu79SZTogQWVyb0VsZWN0cmljLUxp? > =?utf-8?B?c3Q6IFJlOiAjMiBXZWxkaW5nIENhYmxl? (Henador Titzoff) > 12. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > (Bill) > 13. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Neal George) > 14. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: #2 Welding Cable (Henador Titzoff) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:20:53 AM PST US > From: D L Josephson > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 06/24/13 > > > > From: Chuck Birdsall > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: ELT antenna location > > > > > > I'm putting a 406MHz ELT (ACK E-04) in my Piper Cherokee in place of > > dead OE Narco. > > > > One of the statements in the installation manual - and in other > > references such as AC43.13-2 and antenna manufacturers - says that the > > ELT antenna should be at least 36 inches from a Com antenna. Key word: > > Should. > (snip) > > > > So the questions are: > > Am I going to have to move the Com 2 antenna? > > What are the risk factors if I leave the antenna locations as they are? > My suggestion is that it will be just fine, assuming that you use the > antenna supplied with the E-04. The comm will be affected just as it was > with the other ELT antenna there, or maybe a little less. The ELT > radiation pattern will be affected, but I would think only slightly, and > not at all on 406 MHz. The only risk factor I can think of is that there > might be a little more potential for intermodulation if you are > transmitting on Com 2 while the ELT is transmitting, but that's a highly > unlikely scenario. > > -- > David Josephson > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:29:16 AM PST US > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > From: "Eric M. Jones" > > > I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. > Many > many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too. > > Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high > tech polyester > insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Super-8 uses > a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others). > > All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, > racecars, > helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important. > > I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached. > > -------- > Eric M. Jones > www.PerihelionDesign.com > 113 Brentwood Drive > Southbridge, MA 01550 > (508) 764-2072 > emjones(at)charter.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:11:27 AM PST US > From: "wynaire@citlink.net" > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > Hello Eric,=0AThis may be a "loose canon" question..=0AIn a glass/plastic a > ircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same size [dia.]?- Seems > in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back to the battery" than > going out..., hence the-allowance-for a smaller pipe! =0AThanks in adv > ance,=0AMike W=0ALNC2 360 builder forever ;)=0APS: Your heavy cabling is on > my list of must have items. =0A************=0A=0A=0A>_____________________ > ___________=0A> From: Eric M. Jones =0A>To: > aeroelectr > ic-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM=0A>Subject: > AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A> =0A>=0A>--> AeroElectric-List > message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" =0A>=0A>I've been > s > elling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many many h > appy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too.=0A>=0A > >Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tec > h polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Supe > r-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others > ).=0A>=0A>All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in ballo > ons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.=0A>=0A > >I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached.=0A> > =0A>--------=0A>Eric M. Jones=0A>www.PerihelionDesign.com=0A>113 Brentwood > Drive=0A>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>(508) 764-2072=0A>emjones(at)charter.net > =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> > http://forums.matro > nics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Attachments: > =0A>=0A> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_72 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L > ==========0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:35:36 AM PST US > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > From: "Eric M. Jones" > > > > ...This may be a "loose cannon" question...In a glass/plastic aircraft, > do both > polarity cables need to be the same size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that > there > are less electrons "coming back to the battery" than going out..., hence > the > allowance for a smaller pipe! ...Mike W > > > What a wonderful question! In fact, there are exactly and precisely as > many electrons > returning as got sent out. Electrons don't go back to "battery rehab" for > another trip. The true picture is far more complicated, and if you decided > you wanted to know, you'd never finish your airplane. > > In a metal airplane, letting the metal body carry the ground current is > possible > but not to be undertaken without some serious engineering work, and might > change > over time. Letting the metal tube frame carry the ground current likewise > is problematic. > > See attached. > > -------- > Eric M. Jones > www.PerihelionDesign.com > 113 Brentwood Drive > Southbridge, MA 01550 > (508) 764-2072 > emjones(at)charter.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403408#403408 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dabbling_with_electricity_385.pdf > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dabbling_with_electricity_360.pdf > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:52:08 AM PST US > From: Henador Titzoff > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > Mike,=0A=0AAccording to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say be > low is not true.=0A-=0A=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A_______________________ > _________=0A From: "wynaire@citlink.net" =0ATo: > "aeroe > lectric-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: > Tues > day, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding > Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AHello Eric,=0AThis may be a "loose canon" question..=0AI > n a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same siz > e [dia.]?- Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back t > o the battery" than going out..., hence the-allowance-for a smaller pip > e! =0AThanks in advance,=0AMike W=0ALNC2 360 builder forever ;)=0APS: Your > heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. =0A************=0A=0A=0AFro > m: Eric M. Jones =0A>To: > aeroelectric-list@matronics.c > om =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM=0A>Subject: AeroElectric-List: > Eric M. Jones" =0A>=0A>I've been selling=0A > Copper-cla > d-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many many happy users on the > Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too.=0A>=0A>Sizes Super-2-CC > A and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tech polyester insul > ation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. Super-8 uses a TFE "T > efzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others).=0A>=0A>All of > these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, racecars, he > licopters, drones, etc., where weight is important.=0A>=0A>I will gladly se > nd a free sample to interested builders. See attached.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>E > ric M. Jones=0A>www.PerihelionDesign.com=0A>113 Brentwood > Drive=0A>Southbri > dge, MA 01550=0A>(508) 764-2072=0A>emjones(at)charter.net=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> > =0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtop > ic.php?p=403388#403388=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Attachments: =0A>=0A>http://for > ums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf > http://www.m > atronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectbsp; - - - -=0Aums.matronics.com/" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/=0A>_; - - - - - > - - - - -Matt Dralcontribution" target="_blank">http://www.matron > ====== > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:49:07 AM PST US > From: "Jay Hyde" > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > Correct; whilst the relative voltage changes in a series circuit, the > current stays the same throughout the circuit. We size cables by > considering the current through them, and the voltage drop incurred across > the line until it gets to the load; the current being the primary factor. > Since the current is the same throughout the circuit the return line must > be > the same size as the supply line. > > > Johannesburg Jay > > PS I think that it was Kirchoff's law and not Krucshev's J > > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador > Titzoff > Sent: 25 June 2013 07:51 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > Mike, > > According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is not > true. > > > Henador Titzoff > > _____ > > From: "wynaire@citlink.net" > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > Hello Eric, > > This may be a "loose canon" question.. > > In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same > size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back > to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe! > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike W > > LNC2 360 builder forever ;) > > PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. > > ************ > > > From: Eric M. Jones > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > > > I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. > Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it > too. > > Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tech > polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. > Super-8 > uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others). > > All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, > racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important. > > I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached. > > -------- > Eric M. Jones > www.PerihelionDesign.com > 113 Brentwood Drive > Southbridge, MA 01550 > (508) 764-2072 > emjones(at)charter.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectbsp; > > ums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/ > _; -Matt Dralcontribution" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://wt > ; > http://www.matronics.com/contrib============= > > > > > > > > > > Forum - > to browse > Un/Subscription, > Chat, FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:58:29 AM PST US > From: "Rob Housman" > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > It was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in engineering. > > > Best regards, > > > Rob Housman > > > Irvine, California > > Europa XS > > Rotax 914 > > S/N A070 > > Airframe complete > > Avionics soon > > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador > Titzoff > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > Mike, > > According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is not > true. > > > Henador Titzoff > > _____ > > From: "wynaire@citlink.net" > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > Hello Eric, > > This may be a "loose canon" question.. > > In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same > size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back > to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe! > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike W > > LNC2 360 builder forever ;) > > PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. > > ************ > > > From: Eric M. Jones > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > > > I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. > Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it > too. > > Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high tech > polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. > Super-8 > uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and others). > > All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, > racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important. > > I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached. > > -------- > Eric M. Jones > www.PerihelionDesign.com > 113 Brentwood Drive > Southbridge, MA 01550 > (508) 764-2072 > emjones(at)charter.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectbsp; > > ums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/ > _; -Matt Dralcontribution" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://wt > ; > http://www.matronics.com/contrib============= > > > > > > > > > > Forum - > to browse > Un/Subscription, > Chat, FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:09:41 PM PST US > From: "wynaire@citlink.net" > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > Thanks for your clear reply to my [humor intended] question. Ironic that yo > u mention the ex-USSR president, as he remains a hero to some friends [USSR > ], primarily for trying to get corn started in the countryside. Better it h > ad been "popcorn." I still enjoy watching kids eyes when popping in a bag o > f micro-waveable corn for them, on visits [Belarus].=C2-=C2- Mank=0A=0A > =0A>________________________________=0A> From: Jay Hyde om>=0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, > 2013 > 12:48 PM=0A>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A> =0A> > =0A>=0A>Correct; whilst the relative voltage changes in a series circuit, t > he current stays the same throughout the circuit.=C2- We size cables by c > onsidering the current through them, and the voltage drop incurred across t > he line until it gets to the load; the current being the primary factor.=C2 > - Since the current is the same throughout the circuit the return line mu > st be the same size as the supply line.=0A>=C2-=0A>Johannesburg Jay=0A>PS > I think that it was Kirchoff=99s law and not Krucshev=99s=C2 > - J=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>From:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics. > com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Hena > dor Titzoff=0A>Sent: 25 June 2013 07:51 PM=0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matroni > cs.com=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>=C2-=0A > >Mike,=0A>=0A>According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say > below is not true.=0A>=C2-=0A>Henador Titzoff=0A>=0A>___________________ > _____________=0A>=0A>From:"wynaire@citlink.net" >=0A>To > : "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > =0A>S > ent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: > #2 Welding Cable=0A>=C2-=0A>Hello Eric,=0A>This may be a "loose canon" qu > estion..=0A>In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be > the same size [dia.]?=C2- Seems in reality, that there are less electron > s "coming back to the battery" than going out..., hence the=C2-allowance > =C2-for a smaller pipe! =0A>Thanks in advance,=0A>Mike W=0A>LNC2 360 buil > der forever ;)=0A>PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. > =0A>************=0A>=C2-=0A>>From:Eric M. Jones =0A> > >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 > 6:28 > AM=0A>>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>>=0A>>--> AeroE > lectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" =0A>> > =0A>>I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for ye > ars. Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters lov > e it too.=0A>>=0A>>Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame > retardant high tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insul > ation can be. Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the m > ilitary and others).=0A>>=0A>>All of these are designed for aircraft use bu > t find uses in balloons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight > is important.=0A>>=0A>>I will gladly send a free sample to interested build > ers. See attached.=0A>>=0A>>--------=0A>>Eric M. Jones=0A>> > http://www.perih > eliondesign.com/=0A>>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>>Southbridge, MA > 01550=0A>>(508 > ) 764-2072=0A>>emjones(at)charter.net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Read this > top > ic online here:=0A>>=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4033 > 88#403388=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Attachments: =0A>>=0A>> > http://forums.matr > onics.com/files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf=0A>>_; =C2- =C2- > =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralcontribution" ta > rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> > =0A>>=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>ank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigato > r?AeroElectric-List">http://wt/; http://forums.matronics.co=/=0A>=C2- > =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? > AeroElectric-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A> > http://www.matronics.co > =0A>=0A> > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:00:41 PM PST US > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > From: Richard Girard > > Kruschev's Law says: "Politicians are the same everywhere, they want to > build you a bridge when you have no river." > > Rick Girard > do not archive > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Rob Housman wrote: > > > It was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in > engineering. > > **** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > Best regards,**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Rob Housman**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Irvine, California**** > > > > Europa XS**** > > > > Rotax 914**** > > > > S/N A070**** > > > > Airframe complete**** > > > > Avionics soon**** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Henador > > Titzoff > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM > > > > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Mike, > > > > According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is > not > > true. > > **** > > > > Henador Titzoff**** > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* "wynaire@citlink.net" > > *To:* "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM > > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Hello Eric,**** > > > > This may be a "loose canon" question..**** > > > > In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same > > size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming > back > > to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller > pipe! > > **** > > > > Thanks in advance,**** > > > > Mike W**** > > > > LNC2 360 builder forever ;)**** > > > > PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. **** > > > > **************** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* Eric M. Jones > > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM > > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable**** > > > > > > emjones@charter.net> > > > > I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for > years. > > Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love > it > > too. > > > > Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high > > tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. > > Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and > > others). > > > > All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, > > racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important. > > > > I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached. > > > > -------- > > Eric M. 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> =?utf-8?B?c3Q6IFJlOiAjMiBXZWxkaW5nIENhYmxl? > > John, actually it's Kirchoff's voltage and current laws.=C2- He formulate > d them in 1845, which is way back before we had EE decrees.=0A=0AWhen I arr > ived on the crypto scene in 1969, the old timers had been calling them Khru > shchev's voltage and current laws as a JOKE.=C2- Do you guys get it?=C2 > - Both names start with a K and kinda sound alike unless you're German or > Russian.=C2- Then they don't.=0A=C2-=0A=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A____ > ____________________________=0A From: "john.maccallum@bigpond.com" < > john.ma > ccallum@bigpond.com>=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0ASent: > Tuesday > , June 25, 2013 6:30 PM=0ASubject: AeroElectric-List: =EF=BBRe: AeroElec > tric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AKirchoffs law I think you mean. > The sum of the current flowing into a node is equal to the sum of the curr > ent flowing out of a node. Or in other words you need the same size cables. > =0ACheers =0AJohn MacCallum=0A=0ASent from my HTC One XL on the Telstra 4G > network=0A=0A=0A----- Reply message -----=0AFrom: "Henador Titzoff" r_titzoff@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > list@matronics.com>=0ASubject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding > Cable=0ADa > te: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 01:51=0A=0A=0AMike,=0A=0AAccording to Krucshev's curr > ent and voltage law, what you say below is not true.=0A=C2-=0A=0AHenador > Titzoff=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "wynaire@citlink.n > et" =0ATo: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > tric-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 > PM=0ASubject: > Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A=0A=0A=0AHello Eric,=0AThis > may be a "loose canon" question..=0AIn a glass/plastic aircraft, do both po > larity cables need to be the same size [dia.]?=C2- Seems in reality, that > there are less electrons "coming back to the battery" than going out..., h > ence the=C2-allowance=C2-for a smaller pipe! =0AThanks in advance,=0AMi > ke W=0ALNC2 360 builder forever ;)=0APS: Your heavy cabling is on my list o > f must have items. =0A************=0A=0A=0AFrom: Eric M. Jones rter.net>=0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June > 25 > , 2013 6:28 AM=0A>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A> =0A> > er.net>=0A>=0A>I've been selling=0ACopper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several > sizes for years. Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel d > ragsters love it too.=0A>=0A>Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a V > W-1 flame retardant high tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent a > s an insulation can be. Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super- > 8 to the military and others).=0A>=0A>All of these are designed for aircraf > t use but find uses in balloons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where > weight is important.=0A>=0A>I will gladly send a free sample to interested > builders. See attached.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Eric M. Jones=0A>www.Perihelion > Design.com=0A>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>(508) 764-207 > 2=0A>emjones(at)charter.net=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online > here: > =0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388=0A>=0A> > =0A>=0A>=0A>Attachments: =0A>=0A> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_ > cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElect > bsp; =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=0Aums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">ht > tp://forums.matronics.com/=0A>_; =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- > =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralcontribution" target="_blank">http://www.m > atron===== > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:46:36 PM PST US > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: > AeroElectric-List: > Re: #2 Welding Cable > From: Bill > > Hey Henador - > > Good joke - too much damage control but I get it now (I am also prepared to > accept "EE decrees" as another joke . . ?). > > All is well - > Bill > SF bay area > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Henador Titzoff > wrote: > > > John, actually it's Kirchoff's voltage and current laws. He formulated > > them in 1845, which is way back before we had EE decrees. > > > > When I arrived on the crypto scene in 1969, the old timers had been > > calling them Khrushchev's voltage and current laws as a JOKE. Do you guy > s > > get it? Both names start with a K and kinda sound alike unless you're > > German or Russian. Then they don't. > > > > Henador Titzoff > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "john.maccallum@bigpond.com" > > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:30 PM > > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: =EF=BBRe: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Weld > ing Cable > > > > Kirchoffs law I think you mean. The sum of the current flowing into a nod > e > > is equal to the sum of the current flowing out of a node. Or in other wor > ds > > you need the same size cables. > > Cheers > > John MacCallum > > > > Sent from my HTC One XL on the Telstra 4G network > > > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Henador Titzoff" > > To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > Date: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 01:51 > > > > > > Mike, > > > > According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is no > t > > true. > > > > > > Henador Titzoff > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "wynaire@citlink.net" > > To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > > > > Hello Eric, > > This may be a "loose canon" question.. > > In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same > > size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming bac > k > > to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe > ! > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike W > > LNC2 360 builder forever ;) > > PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. > > ************ > > > > > > From: Eric M. Jones > > >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM > > >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > > > > > > emjones@charter.net> > > > > > >I've been selling > > Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many many happy > > users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too. > > > > > >Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high > > tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. > > Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and > > others). > > > > > >All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, > > racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important. > > > > > >I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached. > > > > > >-------- > > >Eric M. Jones > > >www.PerihelionDesign.com > > >113 Brentwood Drive > > >Southbridge, MA 01550 > > >(508) 764-2072 > > >emjones(at)charter.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Attachments: > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectbsp; > > ums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/ > > >_; -Matt Dralcontribution" target="_blank"> > > http://www.matron===== > > > > > > * > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > * > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:38:57 PM PST US > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > From: Neal George > > Wasn't Krucshev the guy with the shoe...? > > Neal George > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:57 PM, "Rob Housman" wrote: > > > It was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in > engineering > .. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rob Housman > > > > Irvine, California > > Europa XS > > Rotax 914 > > S/N A070 > > Airframe complete > > Avionics soon > > > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-aeroelect > ric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador Titzoff > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > > Mike, > > > > According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, what you say below is > not > true. > > > > Henador Titzoff > > From: "wynaire@citlink.net" > > To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > > Hello Eric, > > This may be a "loose canon" question.. > > In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be the same > s > ize [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back > to > the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe! > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike W > > LNC2 360 builder forever ;) > > PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. > > ************ > > > > From: Eric M. Jones > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 AM > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > > net> > > > > I've been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for > years. > Many many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love > it t > oo. > > > > Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant high > tec > h polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can be. > Super > -8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military and > others). > > > > > All of these are designed for aircraft use but find uses in balloons, > race > cars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is important. > > > > I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See attached. > > > > -------- > > Eric M. Jones > > www.PerihelionDesign.com > > 113 Brentwood Drive > > Southbridge, MA 01550 > > (508) 764-2072 > > emjones(at)charter.net > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdfh > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectbsp; ums.matronics.com/" > t > arget="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/ > > _; -Matt Dralcontribution" target="_blank">http://www. > matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http:// > wt; http://www.matronics.com/contrib============= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > ========================= > ======== > ========================= > ======== > ========================= > ======== > ========================= > ======== > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:37:23 PM PST US > From: Henador Titzoff > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > > Yes, Neal, everybody thought Krushchev was a heel, but he had a lot of sole > .=0A=0A-=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr > om: Neal George =0ATo: > "aeroelectric-list@matronics. > com" =0ASent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 > 9:37 > PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A =0A=0A=0AWasn > 't Krucshev the guy with the shoe...?=0A=0ANeal George=0ASent from my iPhon > e=0A=0AOn Jun 25, 2013, at 1:57 PM, "Rob Housman" > wro > te:=0A=0A=0AIt was Kirchhoff's Law way back when I was an undergraduate in > engineering.=0A>-=0A>-=0A>Best regards,=0A>-=0A>Rob Housman=0A>-=0A > >Irvine, California=0A>Europa XS=0A>Rotax 914=0A>S/N A070=0A>Airframe compl > ete=0A>Avionics soon=0A>-=0A>From:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronic > s.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > He > nador Titzoff=0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51 AM=0A>To: aeroelectric- > list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable > =0A>-=0A>Mike,=0A>=0A>According to Krucshev's current and voltage law, wh > at you say below is not true.=0A>-=0A>Henador Titzoff=0A>=0A>____________ > ____________________=0A>=0A>From:"wynaire@citlink.net" < > wynaire@citlink.net > >=0A>To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" < > aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:07 PM=0A>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-Lis > t: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>-=0A>Hello Eric,=0A>This may be a "loose canon > " question..=0A>In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need t > o be the same size [dia.]?- Seems in reality, that there are less electro > ns "coming back to the battery" than going out..., hence the-allowance- > for a smaller pipe! =0A>Thanks in advance,=0A>Mike W=0A>LNC2 360 builder fo > rever ;)=0A>PS: Your heavy cabling is on my list of must have items. =0A>** > **********=0A>-=0A>>From:Eric M. Jones =0A>>To: aero > electric-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:28 > AM=0A>>S > ubject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable=0A>>=0A>>--> AeroElectric-L > ist message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" =0A>>=0A>>I've > been selling Copper-clad-aluminum Fatwire in several sizes for years. Many > many happy users on the Aeroelectric LIst. Top fuel dragsters love it too. > =0A>>=0A>>Sizes Super-2-CCA and Super-4-CCA both use a VW-1 flame retardant > high tech polyester insulation which is as benevolent as an insulation can > be. Super-8 uses a TFE "Tefzel" copy (I sell the Super-8 to the military a > nd others).=0A>>=0A>>All of these are designed for aircraft use but find us > es in balloons, racecars, helicopters, drones, etc., where weight is import > ant.=0A>>=0A>>I will gladly send a free sample to interested builders. See > attached.=0A>>=0A>>--------=0A>>Eric M. Jones=0A>>www.PerihelionDesign.com > =0A>>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>>(508) 764-2072=0A>>e > mjones(at)charter.net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Read this topic online here: > =0A>>=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403388#403388=0A>> > =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Attachments: =0A>>=0A>> > http://forums.matronics.com//fil > es/copper_cables_aluminum_cables_727.pdf > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator > ?AeroElectbsp; - - - - ums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http:/ > /forums.matronics.com/=0A>>_; - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dra > lcontribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>> > =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>-=0A>-=0A>ank" href="http://www.matronics.com > /Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://wt; http://www.matronics.com/contrib > ================0A>-=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>- > =0A>-=0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List=0A>http://f > orums.matronics.com=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>-= > =========0Ast">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElect > ric-List=0A==================== > ===============0Acs.com=0A====== > ====0Amatronics.com/contribution=0A========== > ======================= > ================ > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:14 PM PST US From: "wynaire@citlink.net" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Welding Cable Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yours [and the others'] answers did se ttle a long-nagging point [kinda' like a turn-to-downwind and stall... ]. I t is great the way others chime-in. Humbling actually, especially if [every once in a while] when you begin to think you know it all, you find out the opposite, and keep on learning. =0ACpaciebo. [Thx in Russian].=0AMike=0A** ********=0A-=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Eric M. Jones =0A>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:33 AM=0A>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: #2 Wel ones" =0A>=0A>=0A>> ...This may be a "loose cannon" qu estion...In a glass/plastic aircraft, do both polarity cables need to be th e same size [dia.]? Seems in reality, that there are less electrons "coming back to the battery" than going out..., hence the allowance for a smaller pipe! ...Mike W =0A>=0A>=0A>What a wonderful question! In fact, there are e xactly and precisely as many electrons returning as got sent out. Electrons don't go back to "battery rehab" for another trip. The true picture is far more complicated, and if you decided you wanted to know, you'd never finis h your airplane.=0A>=0A>In a metal airplane, letting the metal body carry t he ground current is possible but not to be undertaken without some serious engineering work, and might change over time. Letting the metal tube frame carry the ground current likewise is problematic. =0A>=0A>See attached.=0A >=0A>--------=0A>Eric M. Jones=0A>www.PerihelionDesign.com=0A>113 Brentwood Drive=0A>Southbridge, MA 01550=0A>(508) 764-2072=0A>emjones(at)charter.net =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matro nics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403408#403408=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Attachments: =0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/dabbling_with_electricity_385.pd f=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/dabbling_with_electricity_360.pdf - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Adm ========0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:02 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths From: Bill Allen Hi All - I read on someones website of a "forest of earths" made up from a DB connector and pins - can anyone steer me to it? Bill llen ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:12 PM PST US From: "R. curtis" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths Hi All - I read on someones website of a =22forest of earths=22 made up from a DB connector and pins - can anyone steer me to it=3F Bill, Here is one on Bob's website. http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/minibus/minibus.html Roger -- Do you have a slow PC=3F Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfi ghter=3Fcid=sigen ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:42 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths At 03:33 PM 6/26/2013, you wrote: >Hi All - I read on someones website of a "forest of earths" made up >from a DB connector and pins - can anyone steer me to it? > >Bill, > >Here is one on Bob's website. > >http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/minibus/minibus.html > Here's some additional details on available configurations http://tinyurl.com/7hvmat6 manufactured versions can be secured at: http://tinyurl.com/cgr42l5 Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:44 PM PST US From: "Vern Little" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths Slightly more sophisticated: http://store.makerplane.org/axis-gbx-25-avionics-wiring-hub/ From: Bill Allen Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths Hi All - I read on someones website of a "forest of earths" made up from a DB connector and pins - can anyone steer me to it? Bill llen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06/26/13 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths From: Bill Allen Thanks Bob. On 26 June 2013 23:59, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 03:33 PM 6/26/2013, you wrote: > > Hi All - I read on someones website of a "forest of earths" made up from > a DB connector and pins - can anyone steer me to it? > > Bill, > > Here is one on Bob's website. > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/minibus/minibus.html > > > Here's some additional details on available > configurations > > http://tinyurl.com/7hvmat6 > > manufactured versions can be secured at: > > http://tinyurl.com/cgr42l5 > > > ** > > ** Bob . . . > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths From: Bill Allen Thanks Roger. On 26 June 2013 23:33, R. curtis wrote: > ** > > Hi All - I read on someones website of a "forest of earths" made up from a > DB connector and pins - can anyone steer me to it? > > Bill, > > Here is one on Bob's website. > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/minibus/minibus.html > > > Roger > > > ------------------------------ > . > > Do you have a slow PC?Try a free scan! > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: forest of earths From: Bill Allen Thanks Vern. On 27 June 2013 00:12, Vern Little wrote: > Slightly more sophisticated: > http://store.makerplane.org/axis-gbx-25-avionics-wiring-hub/ > > *From:* Bill Allen > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:55 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: forest of earths > > Hi All - I read on someones website of a "forest of earths" made up from > a DB connector and pins - can anyone steer me to it? > > Bill llen > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:42 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Good deal on handy bench supply From: "nuckollsr" I've owned several variants on this product. Still have one. It services about 95% of my power supply needs. http://tinyurl.com/pp9o5k4 Bob . . . 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