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1. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Heathrow 787 fire (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 12:14 PM - Re: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 setup) (Sacha)
3. 03:20 PM - Re: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 setup) (David Lloyd)
4. 04:18 PM - Re: Adhesive (jonlaury)
5. 09:21 PM - Re: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 setup) (Sacha)
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| Subject: | Re: Heathrow 787 fire |
At 09:21 PM 7/24/2013, you wrote:
><mmayfield@ozemail.com.au>
>
>Only a few days ago the AAIB released this special report, which may
>be the source of some of the news reports.
>
>It seems that they do indeed hold the ELT as prime suspect. The
>aircraft was unpowered at the time, and the AAIB notes that the ELT
>is the only item in the area with enough stored energy to initiate
>combustion under these circumstances.
>
>http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/S5-2013%20ET-AOP.pdf
Thank you sir! Much appreciated.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 setup) |
Thanks all for your help. It turns out that the unit was not sufficiently sc
rewed in. The unit appeared to work but did not work completely. The insta
llation manual says it needs a minimum of three turns of the Allen key and m
ine only had two turns. I wiggled the unit and managed to squeeze an extra t
urn into it and bingo! It works perfectly!
Thanks all for your help, I can't tell you how relieved I feel... I had been
trying to fix this for months.
My next project is to wire in the handheld (its an Icom A3E)... Does anyone k
now if this is possible?
On Jul 24, 2013, at 22:36, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't forget *all* the grounds, too. I tried to help a friend with a simil
ar issue several years ago; even spoke directly with a Garmin tech & told hi
m exactly which pins were hooked up. The tech told me we were golden on all t
he wires. Radio worked when inserted in another a/c. He finally took it to a
radio shop. They took one look at the back of the tray & said, "You're miss
ing that ground right there." They installed the ground, & everything worked
. Sorry to say I don't know which ground they added (there are several).
>
> On 07/24/2013 01:23 PM, Sacha wrote:
>> Thanks guys. I hadn't thought of that but it seems like a good place to l
ook. When my GNS slides in, it does in fact have some trouble doing so. I'll
check that and report any findings.
>> Regards
>> Sacha
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2013, at 19:50, Tim Andres <tim2542@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave's suggestion is a good one and there is a test procedure in the 430
install manual to determine if you are getting complete pin engagement from
the tray/panel assembly
>>> Check the audio panel for the same issue. Next pull all the D subs and m
ake sure all the pins are fully seated and don't push out when you try to pr
ess them out.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sacha,
>>>> My suggestion is a bit far out, but, I have witnessed the 430 problem. .
.
>>>>
>>>> When the 430 chassis box is mounted in the panel, it maybe set a bit to
o far back in the rack; maybe 1/8 inch or so. It must be fixed flush with t
he panel front. If it is not flush, when you slide the 43
0 in, all the pins do not fully engage into the chassis box receiver pin soc
kets. This can also happen when you install the 430 into a properly located
chassis box, if the 430 is not fully drawn back into the chassis via the sc
rew locking device.
>>>> D
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Dave Saylor
>>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 se
tup)
>>>>
>>>> Do you have power to all the power inputs on the 430? It needs two sep
arate inputs, and the separation isn't intuitive. It'll still do some comm s
tuff without comm power, IIRC.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, if you're using 12V, are you sure it's a 12V unit, not
24?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Saylor
>>>> 831-750-0284 CL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Sacha <uuccio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>> I have a problem that is driving me nuts. I have run out of ideas for
trouble shooting this.
>>>>> I have a GN430 as com 1 and a GMA240 audio panel mounted in my Kitfox.
My com2 is a handheld and I haven't wired it in yet.
>>>>> All the GNS and GMA functions (GPS, intercom, music, etc) work except f
or the radio: I cannot hear others and they cannot hear me, even though I ca
n see the Tx and Rx symbols on the GNS's LCD display which indicates that th
e PTT buttons are working and that the radio is receiving *something*.
>>>>> Here are the steps I have taken so far towards trouble shooting:
>>>>> - I have checked that the headsets are working (the intercom works pe
rfectly and they work on other a/c).
>>>>> - I have also checked that the radio works on my bench (I can hear tra
nsmissions that I send using a handheld radio, even without mounting an ante
nna on the GNS).
>>>>> - I have checked all the connections between the GNS and GMA connector
s using a tester.
>>>>> - I have turned up the volume and turned down the squelch on the GMA a
nd on the GNS.
>>>>> Has anyone had a similar experience? Am I missing something obvious th
at I should check? I suppose I haven't checked that the com1 channel on GMA
works but I have no reason to doubt it, since the unit is new.
>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 setup) |
Sacha,
I am glad my suggestion worked out to fix the 430 problem . . .
Here is another tip about installing the 430 back into the receiver
chassis whenever you have removed it.
I don't recommend that you draw the 430 back into it chassis by only
using the Allen drive screw-jack. This is hard on the small screw
assembly and could cause it to fail later on.
I always insert the 430 using my thumbs on the panel ends until I feel
engagement resistance. Then, I take up 1 turn on the screw jack, then
using my thumbs again, I press and rock the 430 further back into the
chassis and then use the screw-jack to take up the slack until it is
fully seated.
Two reasons for doing this..... using your fingers can detect if the 430
is hanging up going into the chassis and you can stop and investigate.
#2.. is to take the torqueing wear and tear off the screw- jack
mechanism. It is small and uses nylon parts. It is not very durable if
you are the ham fisted slam it in type.....
Dave
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From: Sacha
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240
setup)
Thanks all for your help. It turns out that the unit was not
sufficiently screwed in. The unit appeared to work but did not work
completely. The installation manual says it needs a minimum of three
turns of the Allen key and mine only had two turns. I wiggled the unit
and managed to squeeze an extra turn into it and bingo! It works
perfectly!
Thanks all for your help, I can't tell you how relieved I feel... I
had been trying to fix this for months.
My next project is to wire in the handheld (its an Icom A3E)... Does
anyone know if this is possible?
On Jul 24, 2013, at 22:36, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
wrote:
Don't forget *all* the grounds, too. I tried to help a friend with a
similar issue several years ago; even spoke directly with a Garmin tech
& told him exactly which pins were hooked up. The tech told me we were
golden on all the wires. Radio worked when inserted in another a/c. He
finally took it to a radio shop. They took one look at the back of the
tray & said, "You're missing that ground right there." They installed
the ground, & everything worked. Sorry to say I don't know which ground
they added (there are several).
On 07/24/2013 01:23 PM, Sacha wrote:
Thanks guys. I hadn't thought of that but it seems like a good
place to look. When my GNS slides in, it does in fact have some trouble
doing so. I'll check that and report any findings.
Regards
Sacha
On Jul 24, 2013, at 19:50, Tim Andres <tim2542@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Dave's suggestion is a good one and there is a test procedure in
the 430 install manual to determine if you are getting complete pin
engagement from the tray/panel assembly
Check the audio panel for the same issue. Next pull all the D
subs and make sure all the pins are fully seated and don't push out when
you try to press them out.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, "David Lloyd"
<skywagon@charter.net> wrote:
Sacha,
My suggestion is a bit far out, but, I have witnessed the 430
problem. . .
When the 430 chassis box is mounted in the panel, it maybe set
a bit too far back in the rack; maybe 1/8 inch or so. It must be fixed
flush with the panel front. If it is not flush, when you slide the 430
in, all the pins do not fully engage into the chassis box receiver pin
sockets. This can also happen when you install the 430 into a properly
located chassis box, if the 430 is not fully drawn back into the chassis
via the screw locking device.
D
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Saylor
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio not working (GNS430
and GMA240 setup)
Do you have power to all the power inputs on the 430? It
needs two separate inputs, and the separation isn't intuitive. It'll
still do some comm stuff without comm power, IIRC.
Other than that, if you're using 12V, are you sure it's a
12V unit, not 24?
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Sacha <uuccio@gmail.com>
wrote:
<uuccio@gmail.com>
Hi List,
I have a problem that is driving me nuts. I have run out
of ideas for trouble shooting this.
I have a GN430 as com 1 and a GMA240 audio panel mounted
in my Kitfox. My com2 is a handheld and I haven't wired it in yet.
All the GNS and GMA functions (GPS, intercom, music, etc)
work except for the radio: I cannot hear others and they cannot hear me,
even though I can see the Tx and Rx symbols on the GNS's LCD display
which indicates that the PTT buttons are working and that the radio is
receiving *something*.
Here are the steps I have taken so far towards trouble
shooting:
- I have checked that the headsets are working (the
intercom works perfectly and they work on other a/c).
- I have also checked that the radio works on my bench (I
can hear transmissions that I send using a handheld radio, even without
mounting an antenna on the GNS).
- I have checked all the connections between the GNS and
GMA connectors using a tester.
- I have turned up the volume and turned down the squelch
on the GMA and on the GNS.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Am I missing
something obvious that I should check? I suppose I haven't checked that
the com1 channel on GMA works but I have no reason to doubt it, since
the unit is new.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Sacha
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[quote="nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect"]At 05:23 PM 7/24/2013, you wrote:
>
> snip....
> also, 5-minute epoxy won't attack the
> plastics . . . but may not get a
> really good grip on smooth, bright
> surface of plastic box.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob . . .
You can overcome the lack of adhesion to plastic by drilling some counter sunk
holes on the outside of the box. Force epoxy through them to the inside and clamp
your electronic guts to the inside over the epoxy. When the epoxy sets, your
electronic gizmo is held by epoxy 'rivets'.
If your epoxy runs, turn the project so the counter sunk holes are facing up or
use a thixotrope like cabosil (fumed silica) to make it into more of a paste.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405316#405316
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| Subject: | Re: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 setup) |
David,
Absolutely. In fact I did exactly as you said. I still can't believe it's al
l working, it feels like a luxury not to have to grab the handheld everytime
I need to make a radio call!
I've been wondering.... Is there a way that one can wire in the handheld (Ic
om A3E) to the audio panel as a standby com2?
I already have an adaptor to use the headset with the handheld, but it would
require me to unplug the headset from the aircraft and plug it into the ha
ndheld. Is there a way that I wire things so I just have to select com2 on t
he audio panel?
Sacha
On Jul 26, 2013, at 0:19, "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net> wrote:
> Sacha,
> I am glad my suggestion worked out to fix the 430 problem . . .
> Here is another tip about installing the 430 back into the receiver chassi
s whenever you have removed it.
>
> I don't recommend that you draw the 430 back into it chassis by only using
the Allen drive screw-jack. This is hard on the small screw assembly and c
ould cause it to fail later on.
>
> I always insert the 430 using my thumbs on the panel ends until I feel eng
agement resistance. Then, I take up 1 turn on the screw jack, then using my
thumbs again, I press and rock the 430 further back into the chassis and th
en use the screw-jack to take up the slack until it is fully seated.
>
> Two reasons for doing this..... using your fingers can detect if the 430 i
s hanging up going into the chassis and you can stop and investigate. #2.. i
s to take the torqueing wear and tear off the screw- jack mechanism. It is s
mall and uses nylon parts. It is not very durable if you are the ham fisted
slam it in type.....
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sacha
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 setup
)
>
> Thanks all for your help. It turns out that the unit was not sufficiently s
crewed in. The unit appeared to work but did not work completely. The inst
allation manual says it needs a minimum of three turns of the Allen key and m
ine only had two turns. I wiggled the unit and managed to squeeze an extra t
urn into it and bingo! It works perfectly!
> Thanks all for your help, I can't tell you how relieved I feel... I had be
en trying to fix this for months.
>
> My next project is to wire in the handheld (its an Icom A3E)... Does anyon
e know if this is possible?
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 22:36, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't forget *all* the grounds, too. I tried to help a friend with a simi
lar issue several years ago; even spoke directly with a Garmin tech & told h
im exactly which pins were hooked up. The tech told me we were golden on all
the wires. Radio worked when inserted in another a/c. He finally took it to
a radio shop. They took one look at the back of the tray & said, "You're mi
ssing that ground right there." They installed the ground, & everything work
ed. Sorry to say I don't know which ground they added (there are several).
>>
>> On 07/24/2013 01:23 PM, Sacha wrote:
>>> Thanks guys. I hadn't thought of that but it seems like a good place to l
ook. When my GNS slides in, it does in fact have some trouble doing so. I'll
check that and report any findings.
>>> Regards
>>> Sacha
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2013, at 19:50, Tim Andres <tim2542@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave's suggestion is a good one and there is a test procedure in the 43
0 install manual to determine if you are getting complete pin engagement fro
m the tray/panel assembly
>>>> Check the audio panel for the same issue. Next pull all the D subs and m
ake sure all the pins are fully seated and don't push out when you try to pr
ess them out.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, "David Lloyd" <skywagon@charter.net> wrote
:
>>>>
>>>>> Sacha,
>>>>> My suggestion is a bit far out, but, I have witnessed the 430 problem.
. .
>>>>>
>>>>> When the 430 chassis box is mounted in the panel, it maybe set a bit t
oo far back in the rack; maybe 1/8 inch or so. It must be fixed flush with t
he panel front. If it is not flush, when you slide the 430 in, all the pins
do not fully engage into the chassis box receiver pin sockets. This can al
so happen when you install the 430 into a properly located chassis box, if t
he 430 is not fully drawn back into the chassis via the screw locking device
.
>>>>> D
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Dave Saylor
>>>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:41 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio not working (GNS430 and GMA240 s
etup)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have power to all the power inputs on the 430? It needs two se
parate inputs, and the separation isn't intuitive. It'll still do some comm
stuff without comm power, IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that, if you're using 12V, are you sure it's a 12V unit, no
t 24?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Saylor
>>>>> 831-750-0284 CL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Sacha <uuccio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> I have a problem that is driving me nuts. I have run out of ideas fo
r trouble shooting this.
>>>>>> I have a GN430 as com 1 and a GMA240 audio panel mounted in my Kitfox
. My com2 is a handheld and I haven't wired it in yet.
>>>>>> All the GNS and GMA functions (GPS, intercom, music, etc) work except
for the radio: I cannot hear others and they cannot hear me, even though I c
an see the Tx and Rx symbols on the GNS's LCD display which indicates that t
he PTT buttons are working and that the radio is receiving *something*.
>>>>>> Here are the steps I have taken so far towards trouble shooting:
>>>>>> - I have checked that the headsets are working (the intercom works p
erfectly and they work on other a/c).
>>>>>> - I have also checked that the radio works on my bench (I can hear tr
ansmissions that I send using a handheld radio, even without mounting an ant
enna on the GNS).
>>>>>> - I have checked all the connections between the GNS and GMA connecto
rs using a tester.
>>>>>> - I have turned up the volume and turned down the squelch on the GMA a
nd on the GNS.
>>>>>> Has anyone had a similar experience? Am I missing something obvious t
hat I should check? I suppose I haven't checked that the com1 channel on GM
A works but I have no reason to doubt it, since the unit is new.
>>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>>>
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