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1. 12:37 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/18/13 (Franz Fux)
2. 08:56 AM - Re: Broadcast Radio Bleedover on Transceiver (Martymason)
3. 12:39 PM - Re: Broadcast Radio Bleedover on Transceiver (mike>bentley)
4. 02:05 PM - High voltage AC and faston (jan)
5. 05:49 PM - Re: High voltage AC and faston (Jeff Luckey)
6. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: Failed brownout battery experiment (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 UL alternator drop-out (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 UL alternator drop-out (Paul Kuntz)
9. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Broadcast Radio Bleedover on Transceiver (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 10:45 PM - Re: High voltage AC and faston (jan)
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/18/13 |
unable to respond to any mail until the 20th of August,
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| Subject: | Re: Broadcast Radio Bleedover on Transceiver |
Mike,
Your VHF transceiver is amplitude modulated. AM radio is of course amplitude modulated.
Broadcast AM stations transmit at 250 to 50,000 watts. Your receiver
will detect signals in the low milliwatts. In early days of commercial radio a
diode and earphone was all many people used to get reception.
That said, look for the interference getting in your earphones through a corroded
connection. It can be in a ground or power or signal connection. The corrosion
doesn't have to be obvious. Just dissimilar. The intercom might be another
entry point. Perhaps a connection from another audio input.
Hope this helps.
Marty
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| Subject: | Re: Broadcast Radio Bleedover on Transceiver |
I'll have to check all that out when I get back from this trip. Thanks for the
input everyone. I'll let you know what happens.
--------
Mike Bentley
Joplin, MO
N5498B
Model 4-1200 (Flying)
Jabiru 2200
Rotec Aerosport LCH Heads
GT Prop
Ellison EFS-2 Throttle Body
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| Subject: | High voltage AC and faston |
Hi Bob,
We have a discussion at work regarding the suitability of Faston connectors
used for high voltage AC systems in mobile applications.?
All the best
Jan
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| Subject: | Re: High voltage AC and faston |
Yes - they are acceptable for 120/240 volt applications.- I think they ha
ve a voltage rating of at least 300 volts.=0A=0AWhat is your high AC voltag
e mobile application?=0A=0A=0AJeff Luckey=0A=0A=0A_________________________
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ist: High voltage AC and faston=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AHi Bob ,=0A-=0AWe have a
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| Subject: | Re: Failed brownout battery experiment |
At 08:42 PM 8/17/2013, you wrote:
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>Bob,
>Thanks for the advice.
>I will use 4 AA batteries temporarily and order a DC-DC booster for
>a long term solution. Do you think that the DC-DC converter will
>come alive and boost the voltage before the starter contactor
>energizes the starter motor?
>Electronics should be faster than a mechanical device.
Yes, the push button simultaneously applies
power to the starter contactor and input to
the dc-dc converter. The contactor has a pull-in
delay on hte order of 5-10 milliseconds . . .
plenty of time for the dc-dc converter to
wake up.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 UL alternator drop-out |
> I see a max load of 10 amps with everything running, so I am
> satisfied that the total load is well within the standard Rotax
> system capacity. I also observed that the system voltage drops to
> 13.5 volts at the 10 amp max load, which seems abnormal. Under
> this max load, the alternator dropped out after a few minutes,
> indicated by system voltage dropping to around 12.5 volts --
> consistent with fully charged lead-acid battery.
The symptoms you observed suggest a temperature sensitive
failure mode within the regulator . . . like a connection
that opens when the regulator warms up. While a cooling
system MIGHT mask this failure, it wouldn't necessarily
be a case of overheating beyond rated operating temperatures
rather a case of an intermittent connection that is
temperature sensitive.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 UL alternator drop-out |
Thanks for the input, Bob. Your guess is in line with my own thinking and
is consistent with the symptoms. The failure mode seems to be something
that was in need of the first long-duration steady load to surface, and
then became more consistent over the following several flight hours. I'm
optimistic that replacing the regulator will provide a fix without having
to make other changes.
Paul Kuntz
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com**>
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>
> I see a max load of 10 amps with everything running, so I am satisfied
>> that the total load is well within the standard Rotax system capacity. I
>> also observed that the system voltage drops to 13.5 volts at the 10 amp max
>> load, which seems abnormal. Under this max load, the alternator dropped
>> out after a few minutes, indicated by system voltage dropping to around
>> 12.5 volts -- consistent with fully charged lead-acid battery.
>>
>
>
> The symptoms you observed suggest a temperature sensitive
> failure mode within the regulator . . . like a connection
> that opens when the regulator warms up. While a cooling
> system MIGHT mask this failure, it wouldn't necessarily
> be a case of overheating beyond rated operating temperatures
> rather a case of an intermittent connection that is
> temperature sensitive.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broadcast Radio Bleedover on Transceiver |
The demodulation of an AM signal can occur in any non-linear
resistance where the radio signal carrier is 'mixed' with the
side band energy to produce a carrier +/- SB products
which are the audio program material.
The necessary non-linearity can be found in a poorly made-up
joint where corrosion products behave like a crude rectifier
or crystal junction (rusty razor blades have been used to fabricate
"fox-hole radio" detectors). To be sure, the resulting audio
signals are very tiny . . . largely determined by the
Q of the 'tuner', length of antenna, quality of the ground,
electrical sensitivity of the transducer (head set) and
skill of designer/fabricator for optimizing impedance
matches.
It has been readily demonstrated that an artfully
crafted 'crystal set' can perform rather well and receive
even overseas short wave broadcasts. The kind of performance
was never demonstrated in the typical crystal set kits and/or
merit badge construction projects.
Emacs!
If one is into SERIOUS crystal radio fabrication for optimized
performance, the lowly battery-less radio is likely to appear
more like this . . .
Emacs!
Separate tuners and traps wound with Litz wire, Schottky detectors,
and matching transformer to optimize coupling of energy to the
headphones. The radio above was a Dx contest winner for the
builder.
The 'crystal set' that plagues the aircraft audio system has
antennas that are too short, tuners of un-measurably low Q, and
headset not known for electromechanical efficiency. Hence,
the un-welcomed demodulation of AM radio signals is rare . . .
often presented when a coax antenna feeder shield becomes
disconnected at a connector and the cockpit is flooded with
RF from the ship's VHF comm transmitter. This configuration
manifests in a feedback squeal only when transmitting.
The last time I heard AM demodulation in an aircraft radio
was when taxiing about 1/4 mile away from the airport's air
traffic control radar. Each sweep of the antenna put short
bursts of PRF 'buzz' in the headset as the airplane was painted
with high energy RF.
Sensitivity to terrestrial AM transmitters is rare. This case
(and that presented by the radar) probably has a root cause
in poor design of an input stage to an amplifier. The first
stage of a microphone amplifier or isolation amplifier input
is not effectively filtered for RF suppression. The strong
local signal drives the first stage transistor base into
non-linear operation and demodulates the signal which is
then amplified by downstream electronics. It's improbable
(but not impossible) that a corroded joint is root cause.
You need to troubleshoot the system to deduce which of the
ship's black boxes is affected. I doubt that it is the
radio . . . my bet is on the intercom. Shielding wires
for affected devices sometimes helps but it's a poor
bandaid . . . the elegant fix is usually addition of a
capacitor and perhaps and inductor filter to the
input circuit of the affected device.
Let us know what your findings are as to which device
is victim to the high energy RF signals.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | High voltage AC and faston |
Mobile power generators - I was told that using Faston for AC application
was not a good thing due to the line frequency .. i.e. alternating current
causing "vibration" in the connector .. I can not see the issue with using
a faston connector in this application, providing a quality faston is used -
Not a poor quality Chinese copy.
I was wondering if aircraft used them in high voltage AC applications ...
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Luckey
Sent: 20 August 2013 01:47
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: High voltage AC and faston
Yes - they are acceptable for 120/240 volt applications. I think they have
a voltage rating of at least 300 volts.
What is your high AC voltage mobile application?
Jeff Luckey
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From: jan <jan@claver.demon.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: High voltage AC and faston
Hi Bob ,
We have a discussion at work regarding the suitability of Faston connectors
used for high voltage AC systems in mobile applications.?
All the best
Jan
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was told
that using Faston for AC application was not a good thing due to the
line
frequency .. i.e. alternating current causing “vibration”
in the
connector .. I can not see the issue with using a faston
connector in this
application, providing a quality faston is used – Not a poor
quality Chinese
copy.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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them in
high voltage AC applications …
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are acceptable for 120/240 volt applications. I think they have a
voltage
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What is your high AC voltage mobile
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