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1. 03:27 PM - AMP Crimper Refurb? (Jeff Luckey)
2. 04:27 PM - OT: bad circuit breaker? (rayj)
3. 04:46 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (B Tomm)
4. 05:11 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (rayj)
5. 05:16 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (Charlie England)
6. 05:35 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (Roger & Jean)
7. 05:39 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (Roger & Jean)
8. 05:50 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (rayj)
9. 06:15 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (rayj)
10. 06:46 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (Charlie England)
11. 07:08 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (rayj)
12. 07:52 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (Ken)
13. 08:11 PM - Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? (rayj)
14. 10:47 PM - Re: AMP Crimper Refurb? (RGent1224@aol.com)
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| Subject: | AMP Crimper Refurb? |
=0AI just ran across an old, rusty AMP 59824-1 crimping tool.- Its action
is kinda gummed-up and needs a little TLC. =0A=0A=0ACan someone recommend
a Tool Repair company that could put this tool back into working condition
for a reasonable price?=0A=0AOr, maybe an exploded-view drawing.- I might
attempt to fix it myself if I had a little counseling & guidance ;)=0A=0A
=0ATIA,=0A=0A-Jeff
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| Subject: | OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Greetings,
I'm wondering if there is a Q&D way to test a home circuit breaker. It's
a 20 amp square D that has been tripping repeatedly, but the max load I
see on the circuit is 6.2 amps. There are 2 compressors and a small fan
on the circuit, but the trip doesn't seem to be associated with
startupof the motors. When I removed the breaker it was warm to the
touch wherewire goes under the screw.
My thought is to run increasing current through until it tripsbut I
don't have a variable resistor that will handle 20amps. I thought about
a 5 gal bucket and some saltwater, but it hardly seems worth the effort
and risk. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions.
I'd like to know if the breaker is bad or there is some transient event
on the circuit that is drawing enough to legitimately trip the breaker.
Thanks,
--
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
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| Subject: | OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Try swapping the wire to another breaker to see if the problem follows, stay
same or goes away.
Bevan
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Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:26 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT: bad circuit breaker?
Greetings,
I'm wondering if there is a Q&D way to test a home circuit breaker. It's a
20 amp square D that has been tripping repeatedly, but the max load I see on
the circuit is 6.2 amps. There are 2 compressors and a small fan on the
circuit, but the trip doesn't seem to be associated with startup of the
motors. When I removed the breaker it was warm to the touch where wire goes
under the screw.
My thought is to run increasing current through until it trips but I don't
have a variable resistor that will handle 20amps. I thought about a 5 gal
bucket and some saltwater, but it hardly seems worth the effort and risk.
Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions.
I'd like to know if the breaker is bad or there is some transient event on
the circuit that is drawing enough to legitimately trip the breaker.
Thanks,
--
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
I put a new breaker in and started watching the system. Turns out that
the A/C current draw starts at about 6amps and slowly climbs to about
18amps and then the compressor shuts off. I assumed it was the
thermostat shutting off the compressor. Turns out that the only time
the breaker was tripping was if the 2nd compressorstarted/was onwhen the
A/C load crept high enough to make the combined load trip the breaker,
and before the A/C was shut down by the internal over current protection.
So, question solved. Thanks Bevan.
Next question, why is the load caused by the A/C creeping up,and more
importantly, what can be done to correct the cause?
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 08/24/2013 06:46 PM, B Tomm wrote:
> Try swapping the wire to another breaker to see if the problem
> follows, stay same or goes away.
> Bevan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *rayj
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:26 PM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: OT: bad circuit breaker?
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm wondering if there is a Q&D way to test a home circuit breaker.
> It's a 20 amp square D that has been tripping repeatedly, but the max
> load I see on the circuit is 6.2 amps. There are 2 compressors and a
> small fan on the circuit, but the trip doesn't seem to be associated
> with startupof the motors. When I removed the breaker it was warm to
> the touch wherewire goes under the screw.
>
> My thought is to run increasing current through until it tripsbut I
> don't have a variable resistor that will handle 20amps. I thought
> about a 5 gal bucket and some saltwater, but it hardly seems worth the
> effort and risk. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions.
>
> I'd like to know if the breaker is bad or there is some transient
> event on the circuit that is drawing enough to legitimately trip the
> breaker.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN.
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
> *
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
What he said. :-) Seriously, if the terminal is getting hot & you're
confident that there's no corrosion & the screw was tight, it's a strong
indicator that the internal contacts have high resistance & the
resulting heat is tripping the thermal protection in the breaker. Try
comparing the resistance to a known-good breaker (with both outside the
panel, of course). If they are both good, it should be difficult to get
a measurement on either with a normal ohm meter.
Charlie
On 08/24/2013 06:46 PM, B Tomm wrote:
> Try swapping the wire to another breaker to see if the problem
> follows, stay same or goes away.
> Bevan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *rayj
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:26 PM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: OT: bad circuit breaker?
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm wondering if there is a Q&D way to test a home circuit breaker.
> It's a 20 amp square D that has been tripping repeatedly, but the max
> load I see on the circuit is 6.2 amps. There are 2 compressors and a
> small fan on the circuit, but the trip doesn't seem to be associated
> with startupof the motors. When I removed the breaker it was warm to
> the touch wherewire goes under the screw.
>
> My thought is to run increasing current through until it tripsbut I
> don't have a variable resistor that will handle 20amps. I thought
> about a 5 gal bucket and some saltwater, but it hardly seems worth the
> effort and risk. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions.
>
> I'd like to know if the breaker is bad or there is some transient
> event on the circuit that is drawing enough to legitimately trip the
> breaker.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN.
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
> *
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
I'm wondering if there is a Q&D way to test a home circuit breaker.
It's a 20 amp square D that has been tripping repeatedly, but the max
load I see on the circuit is 6.2 amps. There are 2 compressors and a
small fan on the circuit, but the trip doesn't seem to be associated
with startup of the motors. When I removed the breaker it was warm to
the touch where wire goes under the screw.
My thought is to run increasing current through until it trips but I
don't have a variable resistor that will handle 20amps. I thought about
a 5 gal bucket and some saltwater, but it hardly seems worth the effort
and risk. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions.
I'd like to know if the breaker is bad or there is some transient
event on the circuit that is drawing enough to legitimately trip the
breaker.
First of all, Was the wire screwed down tight in the breaker and no
corrosion present. That being the case, is there another 20 A breaker
in the box? If so, swap the breakers and see if you still have the
problem.
I would discourage using a bucket of salt water!!! Very
dangerous!!!
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Next question, why is the load caused by the A/C creeping up,and more
importantly, what can be done to correct the cause?
As the pressure goes up in the tank the compresser has to work harder
to push more air into the tank, thus more load on the motor and a higher
current draw.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Checked the questionable breaker against a new one, same resistance.
I'm pretty sure the breaker is good after further investigationof the
system in question. I laid out my new problem in another email.
Thanks Charlie.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 08/24/2013 07:16 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> What he said. :-) Seriously, if the terminal is getting hot & you're
> confident that there's no corrosion & the screw was tight, it's a
> strong indicator that the internal contacts have high resistance & the
> resulting heat is tripping the thermal protection in the breaker. Try
> comparing the resistance to a known-good breaker (with both outside
> the panel, of course). If they are both good, it should be difficult
> to get a measurement on either with a normal ohm meter.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 08/24/2013 06:46 PM, B Tomm wrote:
>> Try swapping the wire to another breaker to see if the problem
>> follows, stay same or goes away.
>> Bevan
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *rayj
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:26 PM
>> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: OT: bad circuit breaker?
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I'm wondering if there is a Q&D way to test a home circuit breaker.
>> It's a 20 amp square D that has been tripping repeatedly, but the max
>> load I see on the circuit is 6.2 amps. There are 2 compressors and a
>> small fan on the circuit, but the trip doesn't seem to be associated
>> with startupof the motors. When I removed the breaker it was warm to
>> the touch wherewire goes under the screw.
>>
>> My thought is to run increasing current through until it tripsbut I
>> don't have a variable resistor that will handle 20amps. I thought
>> about a 5 gal bucket and some saltwater, but it hardly seems worth
>> the effort and risk. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions.
>>
>> I'd like to know if the breaker is bad or there is some transient
>> event on the circuit that is drawing enough to legitimately trip the
>> breaker.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN.
>>
>> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
>> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>> *
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Sorry if I haven't been clear. The compressor is in an air conditioner
and comes to full load in a very short time.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 08/24/2013 07:39 PM, Roger & Jean wrote:
> Next question, why is the load caused by the A/C creeping up,and more
> importantly, what can be done to correct the cause?
>
> As the pressure goes up in the tank the compresser has to work
> harder to push more air into the tank, thus more load on the motor
> and a higher current draw.
> Roger
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Almost too many options to guess. Got a clamp on amp meter? Monitor
current on the compressor line & the fan motor line. Which one is going
too high?
On 08/24/2013 08:14 PM, rayj wrote:
> Sorry if I haven't been clear. The compressor is in an air conditioner
> and comes to full load in a very short time.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN.
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
> On 08/24/2013 07:39 PM, Roger & Jean wrote:
>> Next question, why is the load caused by the A/C creeping up,and more
>> importantly, what can be done to correct the cause?
>>
>> As the pressure goes up in the tank the compresser has to work
>> harder to push more air into the tank, thus more load on the
>> motor and a higher current draw.
>> Roger
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
I've got the unit out. I'll check, but I'm willing to bet it's the
compressor. I can't imagine the fan consuming that much energy and not
self destructing. And something resets after a short while and the cycle
starts over.
Thanks for the help. If I figure anything outI'll postit.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 08/24/2013 08:44 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> Almost too many options to guess. Got a clamp on amp meter? Monitor
> current on the compressor line & the fan motor line. Which one is
> going too high?
>
> On 08/24/2013 08:14 PM, rayj wrote:
>> Sorry if I haven't been clear. The compressor is in an air
>> conditioner and comes to full load in a very short time.
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN.
>>
>> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
>> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>> On 08/24/2013 07:39 PM, Roger & Jean wrote:
>>> Next question, why is the load caused by the A/C creeping up,and
>>> more importantly, what can be done to correct the cause?
>>>
>>> As the pressure goes up in the tank the compresser has to work
>>> harder to push more air into the tank, thus more load on the
>>> motor and a higher current draw.
>>> Roger
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Ray
I look for dirty condenser fins, slow turning fan, or dented restricted
high pressure line all of which cause high current.
Then I make sure the compressor really is starting and coming up to
speed. ie it is not just a bad starting capacitor or start relay keeping
the start winding running and tripping the breaker in a few seconds
after startup. There are several clues when that happens but it may not
be obvious as the compressor does appear to start up.
If I don't own it I then advise replacing the unit.
If I do own it and it is expensive (or I feel like tinkering), I start
wondering about it's history and whether there is any moisture in the
refrigerant or someone has put the wrong refrigerant in so I evacuate,
dry, and put in new refrigerant. Then I'd follow my advice to others in
the above paragraph.
Ken
(no expert but I've done some HVAC work)
do not archive
On 24/08/2013 10:06 PM, rayj wrote:
> I've got the unit out. I'll check, but I'm willing to bet it's the
> compressor. I can't imagine the fan consuming that much energy and not
> self destructing. And something resets after a short while and the cycle
> starts over.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: bad circuit breaker? |
Ken,
I've owned it since new and used it in the same application for years.
It takes atleast 5 min and maybe more for the current to creep up. It
puts out cold air when it's running, so I'm guessing it's the compressor
motor. I gave it a good cleaning before I installed it this summer and
it operated correctly for more than a month. It's a small window unit
soif I can't tinker it back to life it'll be less expensive to replace
than to have someone work on it. I'll check everything you mentioned.
Thanks very much for the advice.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 08/24/2013 09:51 PM, Ken wrote:
>
> Ray
>
> I look for dirty condenser fins, slow turning fan, or dented
> restricted high pressure line all of which cause high current.
>
> Then I make sure the compressor really is starting and coming up to
> speed. ie it is not just a bad starting capacitor or start relay
> keeping the start winding running and tripping the breaker in a few
> seconds after startup. There are several clues when that happens but
> it may not be obvious as the compressor does appear to start up.
>
> If I don't own it I then advise replacing the unit.
>
> If I do own it and it is expensive (or I feel like tinkering), I start
> wondering about it's history and whether there is any moisture in the
> refrigerant or someone has put the wrong refrigerant in so I evacuate,
> dry, and put in new refrigerant. Then I'd follow my advice to others
> in the above paragraph.
>
> Ken
> (no expert but I've done some HVAC work)
> do not archive
>
> On 24/08/2013 10:06 PM, rayj wrote:
>> I've got the unit out. I'll check, but I'm willing to bet it's the
>> compressor. I can't imagine the fan consuming that much energy and not
>> self destructing. And something resets after a short while and the cycle
>> starts over.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AMP Crimper Refurb? |
googled AMP 59824-1 crimping tool. and lookie at what I found
If this attachment doesn't come thru to you send me a private e-mail and
I'll send it to you By the way this is PDF so it can be slow to load
Dick
In a message dated 8/24/2013 5:28:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jluckey@pacbell.net writes:
AMP 59824-1 crimping tool.
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