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1. 07:04 AM - Re: EXP 2 Bus workaround (nuckollsr)
2. 07:07 AM - Wow!...it's really going to happen. (John Burnaby)
3. 08:38 AM - Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 (Kent Ogden)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 (Tim Rhodenbaugh)
5. 08:50 AM - Garmin Database Question. (BobsV35B@aol.com)
6. 08:55 AM - USB pinouts (Sheldon Olesen)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: Garmin Database Question. (Sean Stephens)
8. 09:28 AM - Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 (Bill Watson)
9. 09:46 AM - Re: USB pinouts (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 09:52 AM - Re: USB pinouts (Dj Merrill)
11. 11:32 AM - Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. (Henador Titzoff)
12. 11:42 AM - Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 (Kelly McMullen)
13. 11:52 AM - USB pinouts (Sheldon Olesen)
14. 11:57 AM - Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 (DeWitt Whittington)
15. 12:13 PM - Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. (jan)
16. 01:22 PM - Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. (rayj)
17. 02:41 PM - Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. (jan)
18. 02:55 PM - Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. (rayj)
19. 02:57 PM - Questions about Z-08 (Linda Walker)
20. 06:56 PM - Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 (Sam Marlow)
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| Subject: | Re: EXP 2 Bus workaround |
Fred, I think we left this study dangling for lack of a list of proposed loads
on your ship's bus structures. Have you had time to consider this? Doesn't need
to be a drawing, just a text listing of each load . . . perhaps grouped by supply
bus.
Bob . . .
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413418#413418
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| Subject: | Wow!...it's really going to happen. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaprpJKcls
Pretty exciting stuff.
Think of the area, internal and external, of a composite airframe,
including spars, ribs, bulkheads...a flying battery.
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| Subject: | Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 |
Hi all,
I am trying to get my wings closed up on my RV-10, but I would like to get
all the wiring in first if possible. I haven't decided on an autopilot
yet, but I was wondering if the roll servos that are out there would use a
more or less similar wiring harness. If, for example, I got a SteinAir
wiring harness for a Trutrak servo, would it be compatible with another
AP? I guess I don't know how many different servos there are, do
different AP's use basically the same servos?
Kent
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| Subject: | Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 |
You may be able to use the same wires perhaps relocating a few pins but the s
ervos differ depending on which autopilot you use. I switched from a blue m
ountain system to a truetrac and was able to use the same wires already inst
alled just had to relocate the pins.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 19, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Kent Ogden" <ogdenk@upstate.edu> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to get my wings closed up on my RV-10, but I would like to get
all the wiring in first if possible. I haven't decided on an autopilot yet
, but I was wondering if the roll servos that are out there would use a more
or less similar wiring harness. If, for example, I got a SteinAir wiring h
arness for a Trutrak servo, would it be compatible with another AP? I guess
I don't know how many different servos there are, do different AP's use bas
ically the same servos?
>
> Kent
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin Database Question. |
Good Morning All,
This is not particularly Aero Electric specific, but many of us do use
either the GNS 430 or the 530 for navigation.
I often play with the Garmin simulator so that maybe someday I will get
good enough to use ten per cent of the capability instead of only five
percent. Along that line, it would be nice to have a more current database than
what Garmin supplies free. They are now using a 2007 based data bank.
A year ago or so, someone posted a method whereby we could update the
database on the free simulator. I tried that last spring and it worked great.
However, I lost the procedure and would like to install a new update. Do any
of you know how to do the update?
Or, does anyone remember who posted the procedure?
Sure wish I could find that old procedure. <NG>
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
Stearman N3977A
LL22
Downers Grove, IL
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I looked up the pinouts for a USB port on Wikipedia and ended up confused. They
label pin 2 & 3 as data - and data + respectively. I need to know which is
data transmit and data receive. Any help would be appreciated.
I also don't like the 24ga wires included with the plug. Are there any USB plugs
that I can add on my own wires or have 22ga wires?
Thanks,
Sheldon Olesen
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Database Question. |
Bob,
Check out this thread...
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=76306
Not sure if it still applies.
On 11/19/13, 10:49 AM, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> Good Morning All,
> This is not particularly Aero Electric specific, but many of us do use
> either the GNS 430 or the 530 for navigation.
> I often play with the Garmin simulator so that maybe someday I will
> get good enough to use ten per cent of the capability instead of only
> five percent. Along that line, it would be nice to have a more
> current database than what Garmin supplies free. They are now using a
> 2007 based data bank.
> A year ago or so, someone posted a method whereby we could update the
> database on the free simulator. I tried that last spring and it worked
> great. However, I lost the procedure and would like to install a new
> update. Do any of you know how to do the update?
> Or, does anyone remember who posted the procedure?
> Sure wish I could find that old procedure. <NG>
> Happy Skies,
> Old Bob
> Stearman N3977A
> LL22
> Downers Grove, IL
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 |
On 11/19/2013 11:36 AM, Kent Ogden wrote:
I would determine the max number of wires required for any AP servo,
then get the Trutrak harness with any extra wires bundled in with it.
That number is probably zero. Stein can probably answer that one off
the top of his head.
You will find you have plenty of access for adding/changing the
terminating plug once the wing is closed up. But routing the wire is
much easier before you close things. A good service loop is desirable
at that servo location in any case. Go for it.
Bill
> Hi all,
> I am trying to get my wings closed up on my RV-10, but I would like to
> get all the wiring in first if possible. I haven't decided on an
> autopilot yet, but I was wondering if the roll servos that are out
> there would use a more or less similar wiring harness. If, for
> example, I got a SteinAir wiring harness for a Trutrak servo, would it
> be compatible with another AP? I guess I don't know how many
> different servos there are, do different AP's use basically the same
> servos?
> Kent
>
> *
>
> *
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At 10:55 AM 11/19/2013, you wrote:
><saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
>I looked up the pinouts for a USB port on Wikipedia and ended up
>confused. They label pin 2 & 3 as data - and data +
>respectively. I need to know which is data transmit and data
>receive. Any help would be appreciated.
The USB serial communications is 'party-line'
communications on a twisted pair. The host
controller (usually in your computer) queries
the data bus to see who's out there and which
of several modes of communications are being
requested. Only one device can talk while all
devices can listen. Hence, unlike RS232, there
are no separate tx, rx lines.
>I also don't like the 24ga wires included with the plug. Are there
>any USB plugs that I can add on my own wires or have 22ga wires?
Digikey sells all manner of serial data cable
connectors. An exemplar A plug that would accept
22awg wire is here
http://tinyurl.com/plg4goq
They sell for about $3.50
When I need a USB cable that will carry power
out to an accessory, I usually order a 'high
current' pre-fab cable and cut one end off.
You end up with a more compact, factory
installed connector on the far end.
Bob . . .
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On 11/19/2013 11:55 AM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> Are there any USB plugs that I can add on my own wires or have 22ga wires?
http://www.mouser.com/ sells them. I just ordered the following parts
to make up a USB cable to plug a SkyRadar ADSB unit into a GRT HX EFIS.
I haven't made the cable yet so I can't say how hard it will be.
798-UX40-MB-5P
UX40-MB-5P
MINI B CBLE PLUG
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=UX40-MB-5Pvirtualkey64550000virtualkey798-UX40-MB-5P
571-2040305-1
2040305-1
STD IND USB A KIT 4P
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R 40305-1virtualkey57100000virtualkey571-2040305-1
-Dj
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. |
Oh, yeah, I'm excited all right. You get an Albert Einstein looking guy to make
a video about a technology that is so far fetched most people aren't going to
believe it. But some do The proof in the pudding is to put you money where
your mouth is. If you really think this stuff is pretty exciting, contact Per-Ivar
Sellengren and tell him you're so excited you want to know where to send
R&D money!
Henador Titzoff
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On Tue, 11/19/13, John Burnaby <jonlaury@impulse.net> wrote:
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wow!...it's really going to happen.
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 7:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaprpJKcls
Pretty exciting
stuff.
Think of the area, internal
and
external, of a composite airframe, including spars, ribs,
bulkheads...a flying
battery.
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| Subject: | Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 |
Dynon sells 20" servo wire bundles which IIRC were 5 wire, which are
specific to their servos. I do know Trutrak wiring is different, even
though the servos physically interchange with each other. Dynon did a
fair amount of development to magnify force and travel for their RV-10
elevator servo. I don't know what the others have, the Dynon was a
simple install...drill a few holes and bolt it in. Well thought out.
On 11/19/2013 10:27 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> On 11/19/2013 11:36 AM, Kent Ogden wrote:
> I would determine the max number of wires required for any AP servo,
> then get the Trutrak harness with any extra wires bundled in with it.
> That number is probably zero. Stein can probably answer that one off
> the top of his head.
>
> You will find you have plenty of access for adding/changing the
> terminating plug once the wing is closed up. But routing the wire is
> much easier before you close things. A good service loop is desirable
> at that servo location in any case. Go for it.
>
> Bill
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am trying to get my wings closed up on my RV-10, but I would like
>> to get all the wiring in first if possible. I haven't decided on an
>> autopilot yet, but I was wondering if the roll servos that are out
>> there would use a more or less similar wiring harness. If, for
>> example, I got a SteinAir wiring harness for a Trutrak servo, would
>> it be compatible with another AP? I guess I don't know how many
>> different servos there are, do different AP's use basically the same
>> servos?
>> Kent
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>
> *
>
> *
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Bob and DJ, thanks! Your suggestions are helpful and will be used.
Thanks again,
Sheldon Olesen
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 |
Kent,
Please send your question to Chuck Busch at Trio Avionics in California. We
have bought the Trio Pro Pilot and Gold Series servos for our Sportsman.
Although we aren't flying yet, I still think Trio is the top of the heap
for auto pilots in experimental aircraft.
Email him at ezflyr82@cox.net or info@trioavionics.com
He's a super nice guy. I always make it a point to talk to him and the Trio
team at Oshkosh and Sun 'n Fun. If you ever get the chance, either in
person or on the phone, have Chuck explain the special, unique features of
the Gold Series servos. You'll be amazed.
I'm copying him on this email so he'll know of your question.
Dee
DeWitt (Dee) Whittington
Richmond, VA
804-677-4849 iPhone
804-358-4333 Home
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
> kellym@aviating.com>
>
> Dynon sells 20" servo wire bundles which IIRC were 5 wire, which are
> specific to their servos. I do know Trutrak wiring is different, even
> though the servos physically interchange with each other. Dynon did a fair
> amount of development to magnify force and travel for their RV-10 elevator
> servo. I don't know what the others have, the Dynon was a simple
> install...drill a few holes and bolt it in. Well thought out.
>
>
> On 11/19/2013 10:27 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
>> On 11/19/2013 11:36 AM, Kent Ogden wrote:
>> I would determine the max number of wires required for any AP servo, then
>> get the Trutrak harness with any extra wires bundled in with it. That
>> number is probably zero. Stein can probably answer that one off the top of
>> his head.
>>
>> You will find you have plenty of access for adding/changing the
>> terminating plug once the wing is closed up. But routing the wire is much
>> easier before you close things. A good service loop is desirable at that
>> servo location in any case. Go for it.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Hi all,
>>> I am trying to get my wings closed up on my RV-10, but I would like to
>>> get all the wiring in first if possible. I haven't decided on an autopilot
>>> yet, but I was wondering if the roll servos that are out there would use a
>>> more or less similar wiring harness. If, for example, I got a SteinAir
>>> wiring harness for a Trutrak servo, would it be compatible with another AP?
>>> I guess I don't know how many different servos there are, do different
>>> AP's use basically the same servos?
>>> Kent
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wow!...it's really going to happen. |
I see no great leap forward in this ..all it is .. packing cells in various
spaces .. you still need all the wires to hook them all up .. thermal
protection - balancing etc etc ...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador
Titzoff
Sent: 19 November 2013 19:31
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wow!...it's really going to happen.
<henador_titzoff@yahoo.com>
Oh, yeah, I'm excited all right. You get an Albert Einstein looking guy to
make a video about a technology that is so far fetched most people aren't
going to believe it. But some do The proof in the pudding is to put you
money where your mouth is. If you really think this stuff is pretty
exciting, contact Per-Ivar Sellengren and tell him you're so excited you
want to know where to send R&D money!
Henador Titzoff
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 11/19/13, John Burnaby <jonlaury@impulse.net> wrote:
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wow!...it's really going to happen.
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 7:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaprpJKcls
Pretty exciting
stuff.
Think of the area, internal
and
external, of a composite airframe, including spars, ribs,
bulkheads...a flying
battery.
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| Subject: | Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. |
John,
Thanks for sharing. This may be the breakthrough that electric
car/airplane development has been waiting for. I wonder how much
flexing it will to tolerate and what it's energy density is. Lots of
questions, but no question, lots of potential.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 11/19/2013 09:07 AM, John Burnaby wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaprpJKcls
> Pretty exciting stuff.
> Think of the area, internal _/and/_ external, of a composite airframe,
> including spars, ribs, bulkheads...a flying battery.
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Wow!...it's really going to happen. |
Sorry but what aim I missing ? Looks to me as if all that he is doing is to
encapsulate a Li-polymer cell in carbon fiber matting ..
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: 19 November 2013 21:21
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wow!...it's really going to happen.
John,
Thanks for sharing. This may be the breakthrough that electric car/airplane
development has been waiting for. I wonder how much flexing it will to
tolerate and what it's energy density is. Lots of questions, but no
question, lots of potential.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 11/19/2013 09:07 AM, John Burnaby wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaprpJKcls
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaprpJKcls>
Pretty exciting stuff.
Think of the area, internal and external, of a composite airframe, including
spars, ribs, bulkheads...a flying battery.
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style='font-size:13.5pt'>John, <br>
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Thanks for sharing. This may be the breakthrough that electric
car/airplane development has been waiting for. I wonder how much
flexing
it will to tolerate and what it's energy density is. Lots of
questions,
but no question, lots of potential.<br>
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internal <em><i><u><font
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external, of a composite airframe, including spars, ribs, bulkheads...a
flying
battery.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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| Subject: | Re: Wow!...it's really going to happen. |
My understanding from the video is that it's a super capacitor, not a
battery. I don't know enough to comment any further.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 11/19/2013 04:51 PM, jan wrote:
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> Sorry but what aim I missing ? Looks to me as if all that he is doing
> is to encapsulate a Li-polymer cell in carbon fiber matting ..
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> *From:*owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *rayj
> *Sent:* 19 November 2013 21:21
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Wow!...it's really going to happen.
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> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing. This may be the breakthrough that electric
> car/airplane development has been waiting for. I wonder how much
> flexing it will to tolerate and what it's energy density is. Lots of
> questions, but no question, lots of potential.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River,MN.
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
> On 11/19/2013 09:07 AM, John Burnaby wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaprpJKcls
>>
>> Pretty exciting stuff.
>>
>> Think of the area, internal //_and_// external, of a composite
>> airframe, including spars, ribs, bulkheads...a flying battery.
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| Subject: | Questions about Z-08 |
Bob.=0AI have been unable to find any attachments pertaining to the Z-08 ar
chitecture that is being talked about.=0AAre you able to point me in the ri
ght direction please? =0A=0AWhen I receive the aeroelectric-list in e-mail
form there are never any attachments with them.=0AAm I missing something?
=0AAny help much appreciated.=0APatrick Elliott.=0AG-LGEZ=0A"Attached are t
he preliminary sketches for my current=0Athoughts on an architecture for si
ngle battery, single=0Aalternator, electrically dependent engine. This line
of=0Athinking is being developed as an preferred alternative=0Ato Z-19."
=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 4- _________________
____________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:09:36 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Robert L. Nu
ckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-Li
st: Questions about Z-08=0A=0AAt 01:57 PM 11/18/2013, you wrote:=0A>Bob,=0A
>=0A>In the postings on running an alternator without a battery, you =0A>su
ggested I consider your new draft Z-08, which is buried in the =0A>long str
eam on "EXP 2 Bus workaround."- The more I look at Z-08, the =0A>more I l
ike the simplicity.- It seems to meet most of my design =0A>goals, but an
swers to a few questions would be helpful.=0A>=0A>1.- What were your crit
eria in deciding to connect "Engine A" with a =0A>switch (1-3) and "Engine
B" through a relay?=0A=0A- - the wires associated with "A" go mostly co
ld with=0A- - opening the battery contactor. The relay is a 'mini=0A-
- contactor' located adjacent to the battery hence=0A- - the contact
or control switch "B" on the panel=0A=0A>- By the way, what does the "K2
" inside a green hexagon indicate on =0A> the relays?=0A=0A- - Artifact
reference designators not yet germane to the=0A- - drawing.=0A=0A>=0A>
2.- You show both A and B connected to the "Motive Power =0A>Distribution
Bus" through a single stud and bolt connector.- I've =0A>read that lock
washers do little to prevent a bolt from =0A>loosening.- What do you do t
o give this type of connection the =0A>reliability one needs for critical c
omponents?- Or can we?- Wouldn't =0A>a different connection for A and B
be prudent?=0A=0A=0A- - The fuseblock connection is a stud that can=0A
- - be secured with a locking nut . . . unlike headed=0A- - screws
that engage threaded holes on popular terminal strips.=0A=0A>=0A>3.- With
respect to screw type connectors, what about the ground =0A>connection to
the engine block?- The high vibration of a running =0A>engine would seem
to make these especially susceptible to =0A>loosening.- What about two bl
ock connections going to two brass =0A>bolts through the firewall ground bu
s, or would this set up an =0A>electrically noisy ground loop?=0A=0A- -
You could use two straps to the engine if you=0A- - wish . . . but som
e thread-locker on the single=0A- - bolt would secure it. Vibration is
not an automatic=0A- - loosening force on a threaded fastener . . . it'
s=0A- - mass who's cg is not centered on the bolt that=0A- - provid
es loosening torque due to vibration. In this=0A- - case, a terminal on
a soft piece of wire or braid=0A- - doesn't offer a significant mass.
=0A=0A>=0A>4.- I found your discussions about single versus dual batterie
s and =0A>properly maintaining batteries to be interesting.- Since, as I
=0A>mentioned in an earlier post, I've experienced a car battery =0A>shorti
ng while I was driving.- I accurately interpreted the limited =0A>info an
d stopped the car in a convenient place.- Yes, the battery =0A>did not ge
t the kind of attention you have suggested.- But will the =0A>next owner
of my plane be as conscientious as me?=0A=0A- It should be noted in your
POH/Maintenance documents.=0A- There are numerous critical structures t
hat receive=0A- annual and/or pre-flight inspection. Adding the battery(
ies)=0A- to such a list isn't a far-fetched idea.=0A=0A>- So, what is
the downside of changing the DC Power Master from =0A> OFF/BAT/BAT+ALT to
OFF/ALT/ALT+BAT, assuming that ALT FIELD can be =0A> disconnected if the al
ternator needs to be disconnected?- If I did =0A> so, I would use an MGL
Battery Monitor to see both voltage and =0A> current across the battery.=0A
=0A- - With the crowbar ov protection, you could=0A- - do the DC po
wer switching as a simple two-pole,=0A- - on-off device. You can pull t
he breaker to=0A- - kill the altenrator field circuit.=0A=0A>=0A>I appr
eciate your approach to challenging people like me to think =0A>through our
decisions.- Great forum?- Thanks.=0A>=0A=0A- I'm pleased that you f
ind value in the exercise.=0A- I believe that the attentive builder is a
much=0A- lower-risk pilot because he is privy to things=0A- our flig
ht instructors never told us . . . or were=0A- included in the cookie-cu
tter POH.=0A=0A=0A- Bob . . . =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Roll Servo Wiring for RV-10 |
Kent Ogden wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am trying to get my wings closed up on my RV-10, but I would like to
> get all the wiring in first if possible. I haven't decided on an
> autopilot yet, but I was wondering if the roll servos that are out
> there would use a more or less similar wiring harness. If, for
> example, I got a SteinAir wiring harness for a Trutrak servo, would it
> be compatible with another AP? I guess I don't know how many
> different servos there are, do different AP's use basically the same
> servos?
> Kent
>
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Don't hold up your build for wiring, you can add all the wires after the
skin is on!
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