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1. 05:29 AM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 05:31 AM - Trim those riplies (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 07:55 AM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Richard Girard)
4. 09:21 AM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 04:29 PM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Jeff Luckey)
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| Subject: | Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings |
At 06:28 PM 12/7/2013, you wrote:
>There is an interesting psychological factor that I've heard called
>"risk compensation" that applies here.
Yes . . . and there are documented examples of this
phenomenon that goes back to the beginnings of
recorded history. I remember discussions at Cessna
wayyyyy back when that centered on pilot attitudes
toward risk of icing after they had boots and heated
windshield patches installed on their airplanes.
The ability to mitigate a risk can have a down-side
for making one less considerate of the risk. The
same things are happening in the cockpit when
modern electronics 'replaces' abilities to dead-reckon,
contact-navigate with maps, etc.
It's easy to forget that the only thing standing
between a pilot and a need to resurrect and practice
such skills is a pin pushed back in a connector
or a poorly crimped terminal.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Trim those riplies |
The recent thread on risk assessment has some
fine examples of failure-to-trim. Some of the
replies could use some judicious control
of content.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings |
Jeff, I'm pretty sure that as you look to more and more outliers in order
to find a problem to which you can fit your solution that it's just getting
silly. Put the damn fuse in your feeder wire, feel smug, and PLEASE move
on. The amount of bandwidth being devoted to this (not to mention uselessly
tied up storage on Matt's servers) is absolutely ridiculous.
And guys, the phrase "do not archive" below your signature will go a long
way toward reducing the clutter.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> At 06:28 PM 12/7/2013, you wrote:
>
> There is an interesting psychological factor that I've heard called "risk
> compensation" that applies here.
>
>
> Yes . . . and there are documented examples of this
> phenomenon that goes back to the beginnings of
> recorded history. I remember discussions at Cessna
> wayyyyy back when that centered on pilot attitudes
> toward risk of icing after they had boots and heated
> windshield patches installed on their airplanes.
>
> The ability to mitigate a risk can have a down-side
> for making one less considerate of the risk. The
> same things are happening in the cockpit when
> modern electronics 'replaces' abilities to dead-reckon,
> contact-navigate with maps, etc.
>
> It's easy to forget that the only thing standing
> between a pilot and a need to resurrect and practice
> such skills is a pin pushed back in a connector
> or a poorly crimped terminal.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings |
At 09:54 AM 12/8/2013, you wrote:
>Jeff, I'm pretty sure that as you look to more and more outliers in
>order to find a problem to which you can fit your solution that it's
>just getting silly. Put the damn fuse in your feeder wire, feel
>smug, and PLEASE move on. The amount of bandwidth being devoted to
>this (not to mention uselessly tied up storage on Matt's servers) is
>absolutely ridiculous.
>And guys, the phrase "do not archive" below your signature will go a
>long way toward reducing the clutter.
>
>Rick Girard
>do not archive
Richard, I think Jeff was exploiting an opportunity
to participate in the FMEA exercise. Whether or not
a fuse goes in the bus feeder for his airplane isn't
the issue. Its about how he (an others on this List)
massage available data and come to a decision.
Ultimately, its a decision only he will live with
and even then, the risks for failing to optimize
his decision are very low . . . very few airplanes
that came to an unhappy circumstance did so because
of a main bus disconnect.
While we do offer many plug-n-play answers to
questions, we are not building plug-n-play
airplanes. Those willing and able to go beyond
the cookbook solutions will benefit from having
observed or participated in this exercise.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings |
=0ARick,=0A=0ANormally I wouldn't waste my time to respond to such an unenl
ightened post but you are way out of line here.=0A=0AIf you are unable to u
nderstand the engineering nuances being discussed in this thread then I sug
gest you just delete or ignore them.- Or maybe you should read them, you
might learn something.=0A=0AAnd please take your own advice =0A=0A"The amou
nt of bandwidth being devoted to this (not to mention uselessly =0Atied up
storage on Matt's servers) is absolutely ridiculous. "=0A=0Aand spare The L
ist your reply to this message - as that would certainly be a waste of =0Ab
andwidth.- The members certainly don't want to watch you and me exchange
barbs.=0A=0AI just added your email address to my spam filter so I will nev
er see them.=0A=0ANow I feel smug=0A=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A_______
_________________________=0A From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>=0AT
o: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 7:54 A
M=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings=0A =0A
=0A=0AJeff, I'm pretty sure that as you look to more and more outliers in o
rder to find a problem to which you can fit your solution that it's just ge
tting silly. Put the damn fuse in your feeder wire, feel smug, and PLEASE m
ove on. The amount of bandwidth being devoted to this (not to mention usele
ssly tied up storage on Matt's servers) is absolutely ridiculous.=0AAnd guy
s, the phrase "do not archive" below your signature will go a long way towa
rd reducing the clutter.=0A=0ARick Girard=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Su
n, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectr
ic.com> wrote:=0A=0AAt 06:28 PM 12/7/2013, you wrote:=0A>=0A>There is an in
teresting=0Apsychological factor that I've heard called "risk compensation"
=0Athat applies here. =0A>=0A- Yes . . . and there are documented example
s of this=0A>- phenomenon that goes back to the beginnings of=0A>- reco
rded history. I remember discussions at Cessna=0A>- wayyyyy back when tha
t centered on pilot attitudes=0A>- toward risk of icing after they had bo
ots and heated=0A>- windshield patches installed on their airplanes.=0A>
=0A>- The ability to mitigate a risk can have a down-side=0A>- for maki
ng one less considerate of the risk. The=0A>- same things are happening i
n the cockpit when=0A>- modern electronics 'replaces' abilities to dead-r
eckon,=0A>- contact-navigate with maps, etc.=0A>=0A>- It's easy to forg
et that the only thing standing=0A>- between a pilot and a need to resurr
ect and practice=0A>- such skills is a pin pushed back in a connector=0A>
- or a poorly crimped terminal.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> - Bob . . . =0A>_blank"
>www.aeroelectric.com=0A.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com=0A=
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w.mrrace.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0Aist" target
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ums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AZulu Delta=0AMk IIIC=0AThanks, Homer GB
YM=0A=0AIt isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
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