---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/08/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:29 AM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 05:31 AM - Trim those riplies (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 07:55 AM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Richard Girard) 4. 09:21 AM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 04:29 PM - Re: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings (Jeff Luckey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:48 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings At 06:28 PM 12/7/2013, you wrote: >There is an interesting psychological factor that I've heard called >"risk compensation" that applies here. Yes . . . and there are documented examples of this phenomenon that goes back to the beginnings of recorded history. I remember discussions at Cessna wayyyyy back when that centered on pilot attitudes toward risk of icing after they had boots and heated windshield patches installed on their airplanes. The ability to mitigate a risk can have a down-side for making one less considerate of the risk. The same things are happening in the cockpit when modern electronics 'replaces' abilities to dead-reckon, contact-navigate with maps, etc. It's easy to forget that the only thing standing between a pilot and a need to resurrect and practice such skills is a pin pushed back in a connector or a poorly crimped terminal. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:24 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Trim those riplies The recent thread on risk assessment has some fine examples of failure-to-trim. Some of the replies could use some judicious control of content. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings From: Richard Girard Jeff, I'm pretty sure that as you look to more and more outliers in order to find a problem to which you can fit your solution that it's just getting silly. Put the damn fuse in your feeder wire, feel smug, and PLEASE move on. The amount of bandwidth being devoted to this (not to mention uselessly tied up storage on Matt's servers) is absolutely ridiculous. And guys, the phrase "do not archive" below your signature will go a long way toward reducing the clutter. Rick Girard do not archive On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 06:28 PM 12/7/2013, you wrote: > > There is an interesting psychological factor that I've heard called "risk > compensation" that applies here. > > > Yes . . . and there are documented examples of this > phenomenon that goes back to the beginnings of > recorded history. I remember discussions at Cessna > wayyyyy back when that centered on pilot attitudes > toward risk of icing after they had boots and heated > windshield patches installed on their airplanes. > > The ability to mitigate a risk can have a down-side > for making one less considerate of the risk. The > same things are happening in the cockpit when > modern electronics 'replaces' abilities to dead-reckon, > contact-navigate with maps, etc. > > It's easy to forget that the only thing standing > between a pilot and a need to resurrect and practice > such skills is a pin pushed back in a connector > or a poorly crimped terminal. > > > Bob . . . > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:22 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings At 09:54 AM 12/8/2013, you wrote: >Jeff, I'm pretty sure that as you look to more and more outliers in >order to find a problem to which you can fit your solution that it's >just getting silly. Put the damn fuse in your feeder wire, feel >smug, and PLEASE move on. The amount of bandwidth being devoted to >this (not to mention uselessly tied up storage on Matt's servers) is >absolutely ridiculous. >And guys, the phrase "do not archive" below your signature will go a >long way toward reducing the clutter. > >Rick Girard >do not archive Richard, I think Jeff was exploiting an opportunity to participate in the FMEA exercise. Whether or not a fuse goes in the bus feeder for his airplane isn't the issue. Its about how he (an others on this List) massage available data and come to a decision. Ultimately, its a decision only he will live with and even then, the risks for failing to optimize his decision are very low . . . very few airplanes that came to an unhappy circumstance did so because of a main bus disconnect. While we do offer many plug-n-play answers to questions, we are not building plug-n-play airplanes. Those willing and able to go beyond the cookbook solutions will benefit from having observed or participated in this exercise. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:30 PM PST US From: Jeff Luckey Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings =0ARick,=0A=0ANormally I wouldn't waste my time to respond to such an unenl ightened post but you are way out of line here.=0A=0AIf you are unable to u nderstand the engineering nuances being discussed in this thread then I sug gest you just delete or ignore them.- Or maybe you should read them, you might learn something.=0A=0AAnd please take your own advice =0A=0A"The amou nt of bandwidth being devoted to this (not to mention uselessly =0Atied up storage on Matt's servers) is absolutely ridiculous. "=0A=0Aand spare The L ist your reply to this message - as that would certainly be a waste of =0Ab andwidth.- The members certainly don't want to watch you and me exchange barbs.=0A=0AI just added your email address to my spam filter so I will nev er see them.=0A=0ANow I feel smug=0A=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A_______ _________________________=0A From: Richard Girard =0AT o: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 7:54 A M=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Unprotected Feeder in Z Drawings=0A =0A =0A=0AJeff, I'm pretty sure that as you look to more and more outliers in o rder to find a problem to which you can fit your solution that it's just ge tting silly. Put the damn fuse in your feeder wire, feel smug, and PLEASE m ove on. The amount of bandwidth being devoted to this (not to mention usele ssly tied up storage on Matt's servers) is absolutely ridiculous.=0AAnd guy s, the phrase "do not archive" below your signature will go a long way towa rd reducing the clutter.=0A=0ARick Girard=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Su n, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:=0A=0AAt 06:28 PM 12/7/2013, you wrote:=0A>=0A>There is an in teresting=0Apsychological factor that I've heard called "risk compensation" =0Athat applies here. =0A>=0A- Yes . . . and there are documented example s of this=0A>- phenomenon that goes back to the beginnings of=0A>- reco rded history. I remember discussions at Cessna=0A>- wayyyyy back when tha t centered on pilot attitudes=0A>- toward risk of icing after they had bo ots and heated=0A>- windshield patches installed on their airplanes.=0A> =0A>- The ability to mitigate a risk can have a down-side=0A>- for maki ng one less considerate of the risk. The=0A>- same things are happening i n the cockpit when=0A>- modern electronics 'replaces' abilities to dead-r eckon,=0A>- contact-navigate with maps, etc.=0A>=0A>- It's easy to forg et that the only thing standing=0A>- between a pilot and a need to resurr ect and practice=0A>- such skills is a pin pushed back in a connector=0A> - or a poorly crimped terminal.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> - Bob . . . =0A>_blank" >www.aeroelectric.com=0A.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com=0A= "_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com=0Aank">ww w.mrrace.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0Aist" target ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List=0Atp://for ums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AZulu Delta=0AMk IIIC=0AThanks, Homer GB YM=0A=0AIt isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be ======== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.