---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/26/13: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:24 AM - Re: D-sub standard & high density pin crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 01:18 PM - Mystery electronic box (Joe Dubner) 3. 02:21 PM - Re: Mystery electronic box (John Tipton) 4. 02:49 PM - Re: Mystery electronic box (Eric M. Jones) 5. 04:19 PM - Re: Mystery electronic box (Charlie England) 6. 05:34 PM - Re: Mystery electronic box (Vern Little) 7. 06:20 PM - Re: Mystery electronic box (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 07:50 PM - Re: Mystery electronic box (Joe Dubner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:01 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: D-sub standard & high density pin crimper At 01:08 PM 12/25/2013, you wrote: I crimped garmin HD and standard pins with the b and c unit. seems to work fine just need to watch the placement axially along the pin when going from one size to the other. The b and c is a 4 sided crimp style. -Chris Is this the Paladin or Eclipse crimp tool? ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger & Jean Sent: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:33:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: AeroElectric-List: D-sub standard & high density pin crimper I was just looking at my cheap($30 range) machined d-sub pin crimper, which has the name Eclipse printed on the handle, most likely made in China. This one looks like the one Stein sells. Stein says that this one is for standard d-sub pins and can not be used for high density pins. However, B&C has one that looks somewhat similar that they say can be used for either pin, with some adjustment. So the question is does B&C have a better crimper that can do both crimps well, or are they blowing smoke? Can the crimper that Stein sells be adjusted to do an acceptable crimp on a high density pin? The crimper I have seems to do an acceptable job of crimping standard d-sub pins, but I am expecting to need to also crimp some high density pins, and would like to use my cheap tool, but not at the expense inferior crimps. If someone has experience with both of these please share your conclusions. Roger The $low$ 4-quadrant crimp tool first offered by B&C and Steinair is the Eclipse Tool Co. product that I introduced to OBAM aviation about 12 years ago. At that time I found that the pin positioners for the 20 standard density pins was drilled too deep and the crimps were placed too far back on the wire grip barrel. http://tinyurl.com/knhjt44 I published a 'modification' that was accmoplished on every tool that I sold and B&C adopted the practice when I sold the business to them. In times since, the Eclipse tool with the stock positioner seems to be okay. Check the crimp position on your existing 20AWG pin. http://tinyurl.com/mk3krvp if the crimps are too far back on the barrel, chuck the positioner in a drill motor, spin it and use a file to cut down the shoulder indicated here. http://tinyurl.com/klojj67 For a time, I sold a 22HD pin positioner with a smaller and shallower pin pocket for this tool. B&C never asked to offer it . . . I think they sell a Paladin tool now. However, Steinair has been ordering quantities of the 22HD positioner . . . Emacs! Which I manufacture for them in my shop. In fact, they have a few dozen on order right now . . . need to go make some chips on the lathe! If you want a 22HD positioner for the Eclipse tool, check with Steinair . . . they'll have more in stock the first wk of Jan. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:48 PM PST US From: Joe Dubner Subject: AeroElectric-List: Mystery electronic box Can anyone identify the box in the two accompanying photos? There are four relays, more than a dozen silicon diodes, and a power resistor. I can hazard a guess or two but would like to hear from someone who recognizes the box and knows what it is. My neighbor cut it out of a Speed Canard he's rebuilding. The operative words are "cut out"; I do not know to what it was connected. -- Joe Independence, OR ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mystery electronic box From: John Tipton What have gone an done !!! Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- > On 26 Dec 2013, at 21:14, Joe Dubner wrote: > > Can anyone identify the box in the two accompanying photos? There are four > relays, more than a dozen silicon diodes, and a power resistor. I can hazard a guess or two but would like to hear from someone who recognizes the box and knows what it is. > > My neighbor cut it out of a Speed Canard he's rebuilding. The operative words > are "cut out"; I do not know to what it was connected. > > -- > Joe > Independence, OR > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:55 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mystery electronic box From: "Eric M. Jones" It's a relay box. Did I win? What's the prize? -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones(at)charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416230#416230 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:16 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mystery electronic box On 12/26/2013 3:14 PM, Joe Dubner wrote: > Can anyone identify the box in the two accompanying photos? There are > four > relays, more than a dozen silicon diodes, and a power resistor. I can > hazard a guess or two but would like to hear from someone who > recognizes the box and knows what it is. > > My neighbor cut it out of a Speed Canard he's rebuilding. The > operative words > are "cut out"; I do not know to what it was connected. > Don't recognize the box, but the 1st thing that comes to mind would be a selective controller (and high current protection for switches) for trim functions. There are commercial products that allow 2 sets of trim switches, and can give '1st push' priority for control, or pilot-priority for control. Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:26 PM PST US From: "Vern Little" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mystery electronic box It's a 2-channel relay deck. One pair is used for (pitch?) trim (labeled on wire). The second may be for speed brakes or nose gear... not sure. The power resistor may be used to limit stall current (landing gear) or the speed of the trim motor. This is a guess, but the wiring shows one wire set as 'trim'. Vern -----Original Message----- From: Joe Dubner Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:14 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Mystery electronic box Can anyone identify the box in the two accompanying photos? There are four relays, more than a dozen silicon diodes, and a power resistor. I can hazard a guess or two but would like to hear from someone who recognizes the box and knows what it is. My neighbor cut it out of a Speed Canard he's rebuilding. The operative words are "cut out"; I do not know to what it was connected. -- Joe Independence, OR ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:36 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mystery electronic box At 07:35 PM 12/26/2013, you wrote: It's a 2-channel relay deck. One pair is used for (pitch?) trim (labeled on wire). The second may be for speed brakes or nose gear... not sure. The power resistor may be used to limit stall current (landing gear) or the speed of the trim motor. This is a guess, but the wiring shows one wire set as 'trim'. Vern That's my guess too . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:25 PM PST US From: Joe Dubner Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mystery electronic box Charlie England wrote, On 12/26/2013 16:18: > Don't recognize the box, but the 1st thing that comes to mind would be a > selective controller (and high current protection for switches) for trim > functions. There are commercial products that allow 2 sets of trim > switches, and can give '1st push' priority for control, or > pilot-priority for control. Vern Little wrote, On 12/26/2013 17:35: > It's a 2-channel relay deck. One pair is used for (pitch?) trim > (labeled on wire). The second may be for speed brakes or nose gear... > not sure. > The power resistor may be used to limit stall current (landing gear) or > the speed of the trim motor. > > This is a guess, but the wiring shows one wire set as 'trim'. Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote, On 12/26/2013 18:19: > That's my guess too . . . Eric M. Jones wrote, On 12/26/2013 14:49: > It's a relay box. > > Did I win? What's the prize? I think you're all correct. A relay deck/trim controller makes sense especially in light of the Speed Canard having electric trim switches on both sticks. Good job -- apparently this was easy (for everyone except me :-) Alas, there is no prize but I will have the satisfaction of telling my neighbor he needs to repair the cut wires and re-install it . Thank you all. -- Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.