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1. 12:24 AM - Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Jay Hyde)
2. 12:49 AM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (John Tipton)
3. 01:31 AM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Werner Schneider)
4. 03:16 AM - Re: Overvoltage crowbar availability? (Bob Verwey)
5. 04:46 AM - Re: Overvoltage crowbar availability? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 06:26 AM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Robert Borger)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: lithium facts (davevon)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert Borger)
9. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Rick Beebe)
12. 12:04 PM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Jim Kale)
13. 01:30 PM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Mauri Morin)
14. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 03:42 PM - Re: lithium facts (davevon)
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| Subject: | Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else |
get this?
Hi there listers,
Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an
email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad
to know you from Aero Electric forum".
Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia...
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| Subject: | Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else |
get this?
Yes:
Sent from my iPad
----x--O--x----
> On 6 Jan 2015, at 08:23 am, Jay Hyde <jay@horriblehyde.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there listers,
>
> Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an e
mail from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad to
know you from Aero Electric forum".
>
> Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone |
else get this?
nope I did not get one however I'm located in Switzerland :)
do not archive
On 06.01.2015 09:23, Jay Hyde wrote:
> Hi there listers,
>
> Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved
> an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states
> "Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum".
>
> Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia...
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Overvoltage crowbar availability? |
Great news, I am also on the list of OV module shoppers....
Best...
Bob Verwey
On 6 January 2015 at 05:01, Justin Jones <jmjones2000@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Do you have any of these new ovp modules available?
>
> Justin
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2014, at 19:12, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
>
> At 20:43 2014-12-11, you wrote:
>
> >
>
> Greetings,
>
> It looks like B and C no longer carries the stand-alone overvoltage
> crowbar (at least I think that's where I bought the one in my LongEz).
> I know Bob is trying to get out of the parts distribution business.
> Does anyone else know of a source or should I just plan on building my
> own. (and if you have the link handy to Bob's schematic that would be
> great but don't search if you don't as I'm sure I can find it...).
>
>
> There is a replacement for the legacy crowbar modules
> in the works. Boards are laid out and software is
> nearly complete. Probably have some working hardware
> in the next two weeks. B&C can probably still sell you
> the older version as well.
>
> The new one is software based and much more immune
> to nuisance trips. It's also packaged to look more
> like an 'airplane part' than the legacy CBOVM
> modules.
>
> <a76d280.jpg>
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Overvoltage crowbar availability? |
At 05:14 2015-01-06, you wrote:
>Great news, I am also on the list of OV module shoppers....
>
>Best...
>
>Bob Verwey
Not of the legacy, blob-on-the-wires variety
but the boards are in for the next generation
proof-of-concept parts. We have a little
software to massage too but I should have
some assembled shortly.
B&C may have some of the legacy design available
if your need is urgent.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone |
else get this?
Listers,
Yes, received it this morning.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:23 AM, Jay Hyde <jay@horriblehyde.com> wrote:
Hi there listers,
Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved
an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states
"Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum".
Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia...
<http://www.aeroelectric.com/>
<http://www.buildersbooks.com/>
<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/>
<http://www.mypilotstore.com/>
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List>
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| Subject: | Re: lithium facts |
Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a plug-n-play setup.
Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this fire? I'm assuming
poor voltage regulation or a short? It took place a while back and there
hasn't been much discussion on it.
http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/documents/AerovoltzbatteryfirePDF.pdf
Thanks,
Dave
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436684#436684
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| Subject: | Re: lithium facts |
Dave,
Thats an interesting LiFePo story, because that chemistry is supposed to be fire
safe.
Maybe poor voltage regulation, but probably a short inside or outside the battery.
Ugly result that could have been a heck of a lot uglier if he hadnt put it on the
ground when he did.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:21 AM, davevon <davevon@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a plug-n-play setup.
Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this fire? I'm assuming
poor voltage regulation or a short? It took place a while back and there
hasn't been much discussion on it.
http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/documents/AerovoltzbatteryfirePDF.pdf
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: lithium facts |
At 10:21 2015-01-06, you wrote:
>
>Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a
>plug-n-play setup.
>
>Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this
>fire? I'm assuming poor voltage regulation or a short? It took
>place a while back and there hasn't been much discussion on it.
>
>http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/documents/AerovoltzbatteryfirePDF.pdf
Thanks for the heads-up on this . . . you guys offer a wider
spectrum of eyes-n-ears than I can muster on my own. I'll
see if I can find out more about this incident.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: lithium facts |
At 11:13 2015-01-06, you wrote:
>
>Dave,
>
>That's an interesting LiFePo story, because that chemistry is
>supposed to be fire safe.
>
>Maybe poor voltage regulation, but probably a short inside or
>outside the battery.
>
>Ugly result that could have been a heck of a lot uglier if he hadn't
>put it on the ground when he did.
Unfortunately, the carcass will probably not be
closely examined. The actual burning may have been
limited to plastic in the case but initiated by
a catastrophic fault within the battery.
Unless the 'event' involves a TC aircraft, personal
injury or serious loss of airframe, the NTSB won't have
much interest in spending $thousands$ to deduce root
cause . . . and AeroVoltz is probably not going to
pursue a microscopic examination either.
This happened a long time ago. I'll write AeroVoltz
to see what they have to contribute to understanding.
Given the smaller/lighter characteristics of the
LiPo batteries, it's probably not a serious weight
hit to consider stainless boxes with fire-resistant
linings or some such . . . it may be that some approach
similar to the True Blue Power packaging improves
the FMEA.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: lithium facts |
Fire-safer but not fire safe. The older Lithium Cobalt will start to
break down--and perhaps enter thermal runaway--at around 160C. These are
the ones that gave lithium its bad rep. LiFoPo4 doesn't start to break
down until around 300C. That said I don't think these cells entered
thermal runaway. I suspect maybe one of the cells developed an internal
short and either it got hot or--because they were receiving too much
voltage without that one cell in play--the others did. Then the plastic
case melted and caught on fire. If the cells were actually on fire it's
not likely that him dribbling his water bottle on it would have put the
fire out.
So my question to AeroVoltz would be what the case is made of and are
they using the same plastic now?
--Rick
On 01/06/2015 12:13 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
> <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Thats an interesting LiFePo story, because that chemistry is
> supposed to be fire safe.
>
> Maybe poor voltage regulation, but probably a short inside or outside
> the battery.
>
> Ugly result that could have been a heck of a lot uglier if he hadnt
> put it on the ground when he did.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914,
> Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming
> Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:21 AM, davevon <davevon@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> <davevon@bellsouth.net>
>
> Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a
> plug-n-play setup.
>
> Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this
> fire? I'm assuming poor voltage regulation or a short? It took
> place a while back and there hasn't been much discussion on it.
>
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| Subject: | Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone |
else get this?
I got one and ignored it.
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Borger
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did
anyone else get this?
Listers,
Yes, received it this morning.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:23 AM, Jay Hyde <jay@horriblehyde.com
<mailto:jay@horriblehyde.com> > wrote:
Hi there listers,
Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an
email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad
to know you from Aero Electric forum".
Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia...
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| Subject: | Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else |
get this?
I got it and hit " DELETE"
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Hyde
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:23 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did
anyone else get this?
Hi there listers,
Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved
an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states
"Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum".
Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia...
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| Subject: | Re: lithium facts |
>So my question to AeroVoltz would be what the case is made of and
>are they using the same plastic now?
Agreed . . . good put . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: lithium facts |
I think the Aerovoltz and Ballistic batteries may be the same with different covers
(different logo is all).
Ballistic:
http://www.ballisticparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=141&products_id=428
Aerovoltz:
http://www.aerovoltz.com/av16.html
Dave
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