---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/06/15: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:24 AM - Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Jay Hyde) 2. 12:49 AM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (John Tipton) 3. 01:31 AM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Werner Schneider) 4. 03:16 AM - Re: Overvoltage crowbar availability? (Bob Verwey) 5. 04:46 AM - Re: Overvoltage crowbar availability? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 06:26 AM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Robert Borger) 7. 08:22 AM - Re: lithium facts (davevon) 8. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert Borger) 9. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 10. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Rick Beebe) 12. 12:04 PM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Jim Kale) 13. 01:30 PM - Re: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? (Mauri Morin) 14. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: lithium facts (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 15. 03:42 PM - Re: lithium facts (davevon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:33 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? From: Jay Hyde Hi there listers, Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum". Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? From: John Tipton Yes: Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- > On 6 Jan 2015, at 08:23 am, Jay Hyde wrote: > > Hi there listers, > > Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an e mail from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum". > > Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia... > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:31 AM PST US From: Werner Schneider Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? nope I did not get one however I'm located in Switzerland :) do not archive On 06.01.2015 09:23, Jay Hyde wrote: > Hi there listers, > > Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved > an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states > "Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum". > > Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia... > > * > > > * > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:27 AM PST US From: Bob Verwey Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Overvoltage crowbar availability? Great news, I am also on the list of OV module shoppers.... Best... Bob Verwey On 6 January 2015 at 05:01, Justin Jones wrote: > Bob, > > Do you have any of these new ovp modules available? > > Justin > > > On Dec 13, 2014, at 19:12, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < > nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > > At 20:43 2014-12-11, you wrote: > > > > > Greetings, > > It looks like B and C no longer carries the stand-alone overvoltage > crowbar (at least I think that's where I bought the one in my LongEz). > I know Bob is trying to get out of the parts distribution business. > Does anyone else know of a source or should I just plan on building my > own. (and if you have the link handy to Bob's schematic that would be > great but don't search if you don't as I'm sure I can find it...). > > > There is a replacement for the legacy crowbar modules > in the works. Boards are laid out and software is > nearly complete. Probably have some working hardware > in the next two weeks. B&C can probably still sell you > the older version as well. > > The new one is software based and much more immune > to nuisance trips. It's also packaged to look more > like an 'airplane part' than the legacy CBOVM > modules. > > > > > Bob . . . > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:17 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Overvoltage crowbar availability? At 05:14 2015-01-06, you wrote: >Great news, I am also on the list of OV module shoppers.... > >Best... > >Bob Verwey Not of the legacy, blob-on-the-wires variety but the boards are in for the next generation proof-of-concept parts. We have a little software to massage too but I should have some assembled shortly. B&C may have some of the legacy design available if your need is urgent. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? From: Robert Borger Listers, Yes, received it this morning. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:23 AM, Jay Hyde wrote: Hi there listers, Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum". Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:43 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: lithium facts From: "davevon" Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a plug-n-play setup. Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this fire? I'm assuming poor voltage regulation or a short? It took place a while back and there hasn't been much discussion on it. http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/documents/AerovoltzbatteryfirePDF.pdf Thanks, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436684#436684 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: lithium facts From: Robert Borger Dave, Thats an interesting LiFePo story, because that chemistry is supposed to be fire safe. Maybe poor voltage regulation, but probably a short inside or outside the battery. Ugly result that could have been a heck of a lot uglier if he hadnt put it on the ground when he did. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:21 AM, davevon wrote: Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a plug-n-play setup. Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this fire? I'm assuming poor voltage regulation or a short? It took place a while back and there hasn't been much discussion on it. http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/documents/AerovoltzbatteryfirePDF.pdf Thanks, Dave ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:31 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: lithium facts At 10:21 2015-01-06, you wrote: > >Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a >plug-n-play setup. > >Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this >fire? I'm assuming poor voltage regulation or a short? It took >place a while back and there hasn't been much discussion on it. > >http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/documents/AerovoltzbatteryfirePDF.pdf Thanks for the heads-up on this . . . you guys offer a wider spectrum of eyes-n-ears than I can muster on my own. I'll see if I can find out more about this incident. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:07 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: lithium facts At 11:13 2015-01-06, you wrote: > >Dave, > >That's an interesting LiFePo story, because that chemistry is >supposed to be fire safe. > >Maybe poor voltage regulation, but probably a short inside or >outside the battery. > >Ugly result that could have been a heck of a lot uglier if he hadn't >put it on the ground when he did. Unfortunately, the carcass will probably not be closely examined. The actual burning may have been limited to plastic in the case but initiated by a catastrophic fault within the battery. Unless the 'event' involves a TC aircraft, personal injury or serious loss of airframe, the NTSB won't have much interest in spending $thousands$ to deduce root cause . . . and AeroVoltz is probably not going to pursue a microscopic examination either. This happened a long time ago. I'll write AeroVoltz to see what they have to contribute to understanding. Given the smaller/lighter characteristics of the LiPo batteries, it's probably not a serious weight hit to consider stainless boxes with fire-resistant linings or some such . . . it may be that some approach similar to the True Blue Power packaging improves the FMEA. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:57 PM PST US From: Rick Beebe Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: lithium facts Fire-safer but not fire safe. The older Lithium Cobalt will start to break down--and perhaps enter thermal runaway--at around 160C. These are the ones that gave lithium its bad rep. LiFoPo4 doesn't start to break down until around 300C. That said I don't think these cells entered thermal runaway. I suspect maybe one of the cells developed an internal short and either it got hot or--because they were receiving too much voltage without that one cell in play--the others did. Then the plastic case melted and caught on fire. If the cells were actually on fire it's not likely that him dribbling his water bottle on it would have put the fire out. So my question to AeroVoltz would be what the case is made of and are they using the same plastic now? --Rick On 01/06/2015 12:13 PM, Robert Borger wrote: > > > Dave, > > Thats an interesting LiFePo story, because that chemistry is > supposed to be fire safe. > > Maybe poor voltage regulation, but probably a short inside or outside > the battery. > > Ugly result that could have been a heck of a lot uglier if he hadnt > put it on the ground when he did. > > Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, > Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming > Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com > > > On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:21 AM, davevon wrote: > > > > Thanks to those who responded! I'm going to carry on with a > plug-n-play setup. > > Does anyone have more of a back story of what took place with this > fire? I'm assuming poor voltage regulation or a short? It took > place a while back and there hasn't been much discussion on it. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:41 PM PST US From: "Jim Kale" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? I got one and ignored it. From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:24 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? Listers, Yes, received it this morning. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:23 AM, Jay Hyde > wrote: Hi there listers, Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum". Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia... class="">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" class="">www.buildersbooks.com class="">www.homebuilthelp.com class="">www.mypilotstore.com class="">www.mrrace.com class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List" class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List class="">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:36 PM PST US From: "Mauri Morin" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? I got it and hit " DELETE" ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Hyde To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:23 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Sales pitch from Sinopoly Battery- did anyone else get this? Hi there listers, Did anyone else receive a sales message from this company? I recieved an email from a Sinopoly Battery salesman where the text content states "Glad to know you from Aero Electric forum". Johannesburg Jay, now in Saudi Arabia... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:06 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: lithium facts >So my question to AeroVoltz would be what the case is made of and >are they using the same plastic now? Agreed . . . good put . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:34 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: lithium facts From: "davevon" I think the Aerovoltz and Ballistic batteries may be the same with different covers (different logo is all). Ballistic: http://www.ballisticparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=141&products_id=428 Aerovoltz: http://www.aerovoltz.com/av16.html Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436716#436716 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.