---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/27/15: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:36 AM - Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Bill Putney) 2. 09:48 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (ARGOLDMAN@aol.com) 3. 10:06 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (David Saylor) 4. 10:08 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (David Saylor) 5. 10:26 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Tim Andres) 6. 10:32 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Jim Berry) 7. 11:05 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Bill Putney) 8. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Bill Putney) 9. 12:21 PM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Jim Berry) 10. 12:30 PM - Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (David Saylor) 11. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (David Saylor) 12. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Rene) 13. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? (Daniel Hooper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:52 AM PST US From: Bill Putney Subject: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? What are people using these days to label wires? I use to print out labels on a spreadsheet, cut them out and slide them under clear heat shrink tubing. That worked great. The tubing protected the label from all sorts of bad things like water and other liquids one finds around an airplane. I'm doing some major renovation and I'm looking for an easier way but I still want to keep track of the wire ends. I see now that there are tubing labelers that print on the outside of the tubing. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience using these? Does stuff like hydraulic fluid, oil, avgas or water mess up the label? What size tubing to order for 18-22 AWG and 2x22 shielded? Is there any wire list software that works with any of the labelers that will print labels from the wire list without having to type it back in again? Thanks, Bill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:13 AM PST US From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? Bill, I have one. It is a KROY. Prints on heat shrinkable tubing of various types. I don't know if I would say that the markings are really permanent, however as I see some scuffing. I don't know how it would last with various fluids. I used it extensively in the beginning. Since I ran out of the relatively expensive tubing and am too lazy to reorder it, I have been labeling with hand written labels with a scotch tape overlay. The clear tubing seems to make more sense and be more permanent. Rich In a message dated 5/27/2015 11:37:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, billp@wwpc.com writes: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bill Putney What are people using these days to label wires? I use to print out labels on a spreadsheet, cut them out and slide them under clear heat shrink tubing. That worked great. The tubing protected the label from all sorts of bad things like water and other liquids one finds around an airplane. I'm doing some major renovation and I'm looking for an easier way but I still want to keep track of the wire ends. I see now that there are tubing labelers that print on the outside of the tubing. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience using these? Does stuff like hydraulic fluid, oil, avgas or water mess up the label? What size tubing to order for 18-22 AWG and 2x22 shielded? Is there any wire list software that works with any of the labelers that will print labels from the wire list without having to type it back in again? Thanks, Bill ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:01 AM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? I've used two types of shrink-tube labelers. One was a stand-alone device like a label printer, built-in keyboard, etc. It was somewhat limited in what you can print but certainly got the point across. The other was attached to a laptop and had basic word processing and graphics abilities, and the requisite learning curve. Durability was never an issue although I haven't tested gas and oil. Like printers, they both seem to rely more on media sales than hardware for their profit. That was frustrating for a tightwad like me, and the fact that a lot of the tube got wasted as leader and trailer made it worse. I found I can get satisfactory results using a fine Sharpie on other-than-black tube. --Dave On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Bill Putney wrote: > > What are people using these days to label wires? > > I use to print out labels on a spreadsheet, cut them out and slide them > under clear heat shrink tubing. That worked great. The tubing protected the > label from all sorts of bad things like water and other liquids one finds > around an airplane. I'm doing some major renovation and I'm looking for an > easier way but I still want to keep track of the wire ends. > > I see now that there are tubing labelers that print on the outside of the > tubing. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience using these? Does stuff > like hydraulic fluid, oil, avgas or water mess up the label? What size > tubing to order for 18-22 AWG and 2x22 shielded? > > Is there any wire list software that works with any of the labelers that > will print labels from the wire list without having to type it back in > again? > > Thanks, Bill > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:11 AM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? PS-its a lot easier to write on if you get rolls of tubing that's ironed flat to begin with. --D On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Bill Putney wrote: > > What are people using these days to label wires? > > I use to print out labels on a spreadsheet, cut them out and slide them > under clear heat shrink tubing. That worked great. The tubing protected the > label from all sorts of bad things like water and other liquids one finds > around an airplane. I'm doing some major renovation and I'm looking for an > easier way but I still want to keep track of the wire ends. > > I see now that there are tubing labelers that print on the outside of the > tubing. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience using these? Does stuff > like hydraulic fluid, oil, avgas or water mess up the label? What size > tubing to order for 18-22 AWG and 2x22 shielded? > > Is there any wire list software that works with any of the labelers that > will print labels from the wire list without having to type it back in > again? > > Thanks, Bill > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:37 AM PST US From: Tim Andres Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? I have a K-sun Bee-3. It's done 4 planes now and still works fine. The shrink tube prints just fine and has lasted 3 years now and I haven't notice any coming off or fading. I paid around a $100 IIRC. The cartridges are rather spendy, $35 or so each and you may need 2-3 to do a plane. The trick is to print several labels at a time and then manually cut them, otherwise it spools off too much tubing between prints. Tim > On May 27, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Bill Putney wrote: > > > What are people using these days to label wires? > > I use to print out labels on a spreadsheet, cut them out and slide them under clear heat shrink tubing. That worked great. The tubing protected the label from all sorts of bad things like water and other liquids one finds around an airplane. I'm doing some major renovation and I'm looking for an easier way but I still want to keep track of the wire ends. > > I see now that there are tubing labelers that print on the outside of the tubing. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience using these? Does stuff like hydraulic fluid, oil, avgas or water mess up the label? What size tubing to order for 18-22 AWG and 2x22 shielded? > > Is there any wire list software that works with any of the labelers that will print labels from the wire list without having to type it back in again? > > Thanks, Bill > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:47 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? From: "Jim Berry" I used the Dymo Rhino Pro 5000 with their pricey heat shrink tubing. It works very well, and after 7-8 years the labels are holding up well; no evidence of deterioration, including firewall forward. There are ways to cut down on the before- and after- label waste that Dave referred to, but you can't eliminate it entirely. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442608#442608 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:55 AM PST US From: Bill Putney Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? David, what labelers did you try? I've seen some that come with 5' length cartridges. Sounds like an expensive way to buy heat shrink tubing but then I guess my time is worth something... Thanks, Bill On 5/27/15 10:04, David Saylor wrote: > I've used two types of shrink-tube labelers. One was a stand-alone > device like a label printer, built-in keyboard, etc. It was somewhat > limited in what you can print but certainly got the point across. > > The other was attached to a laptop and had basic word processing and > graphics abilities, and the requisite learning curve. > > Durability was never an issue although I haven't tested gas and oil. > > Like printers, they both seem to rely more on media sales than > hardware for their profit. That was frustrating for a tightwad like > me, and the fact that a lot of the tube got wasted as leader and > trailer made it worse. > > I found I can get satisfactory results using a fine Sharpie on > other-than-black tube. > > --Dave > > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Bill Putney > wrote: > > > > > What are people using these days to label wires? > > I use to print out labels on a spreadsheet, cut them out and slide > them under clear heat shrink tubing. That worked great. The tubing > protected the label from all sorts of bad things like water and > other liquids one finds around an airplane. I'm doing some major > renovation and I'm looking for an easier way but I still want to > keep track of the wire ends. > > I see now that there are tubing labelers that print on the outside > of the tubing. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience using > these? Does stuff like hydraulic fluid, oil, avgas or water mess > up the label? What size tubing to order for 18-22 AWG and 2x22 > shielded? > > Is there any wire list software that works with any of the > labelers that will print labels from the wire list without having > to type it back in again? > > Thanks, Bill > > ========== > - > Electric-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > ========== > FORUMS - > _blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:17 AM PST US From: Bill Putney Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? Will the 1/4" Rhino tape shrink down enough to be tight on 22 AWG Tefzel? Bill On 5/27/15 10:31, Jim Berry wrote: > > I used the Dymo Rhino Pro 5000 with their pricey heat shrink tubing. It works very well, and after 7-8 years the labels are holding up well; no evidence of deterioration, including firewall forward. There are ways to cut down on the before- and after- label waste that Dave referred to, but you can't eliminate it entirely. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442608#442608 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:22 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? From: "Jim Berry" Yes, they will. billp(at)wwpc.com wrote: > Will the 1/4" Rhino tape shrink down enough to be tight on 22 AWG Tefzel? > > Bill > > On 5/27/15 10:31, Jim Berry wrote: > > > > > > > I used the Dymo Rhino Pro 5000 with their pricey heat shrink tubing. It works very well, and after 7-8 years the labels are holding up well; no evidence of deterioration, including firewall forward. There are ways to cut down on the before- and after- label waste that Dave referred to, but you can't eliminate it entirely. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442608#442608 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442621#442621 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:08 PM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? Sorry, I don't recall the brands. I do remember they both spit out a lot of unused tubing. Like Tim said, if you print in batches the waste is much less. --Dave On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Bill Putney wrote: > David, what labelers did you try? I've seen some that come with 5' > length cartridges. Sounds like an expensive way to buy heat shrink tubing > but then I guess my time is worth something... > > Thanks, Bill > > On 5/27/15 10:04, David Saylor wrote: > > I've used two types of shrink-tube labelers. One was a stand-alone device > like a label printer, built-in keyboard, etc. It was somewhat limited in > what you can print but certainly got the point across. > > The other was attached to a laptop and had basic word processing and > graphics abilities, and the requisite learning curve. > > Durability was never an issue although I haven't tested gas and oil. > > Like printers, they both seem to rely more on media sales than hardware > for their profit. That was frustrating for a tightwad like me, and the > fact that a lot of the tube got wasted as leader and trailer made it worse. > > I found I can get satisfactory results using a fine Sharpie on > other-than-black tube. > > --Dave > > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Bill Putney wrote: > >> >> What are people using these days to label wires? >> >> I use to print out labels on a spreadsheet, cut them out and slide them >> under clear heat shrink tubing. That worked great. The tubing protected the >> label from all sorts of bad things like water and other liquids one finds >> around an airplane. I'm doing some major renovation and I'm looking for an >> easier way but I still want to keep track of the wire ends. >> >> I see now that there are tubing labelers that print on the outside of the >> tubing. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience using these? Does stuff >> like hydraulic fluid, oil, avgas or water mess up the label? What size >> tubing to order for 18-22 AWG and 2x22 shielded? >> >> Is there any wire list software that works with any of the labelers that >> will print labels from the wire list without having to type it back in >> again? >> >> Thanks, Bill >> >> ========== >> - >> Electric-List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:26 PM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? I don't think so. I ended up with rolls of 1/4, 3/16, and 1/8 for the Sharpie method. 1/8 will fit all but the smallest wire you would label. --Dave On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bill Putney wrote: > > Will the 1/4" Rhino tape shrink down enough to be tight on 22 AWG Tefzel? > > Bill > > > On 5/27/15 10:31, Jim Berry wrote: > >> tojimberry@gmail.com> >> >> I used the Dymo Rhino Pro 5000 with their pricey heat shrink tubing. It >> works very well, and after 7-8 years the labels are holding up well; no >> evidence of deterioration, including firewall forward. There are ways to >> cut down on the before- and after- label waste that Dave referred to, but >> you can't eliminate it entirely. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442608#442608 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:13 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? For the smallest wire you can put a piece of smaller heat shrink on first, then the larger printed one. I ended up not doing any of that. My panel was built by Stein so I have all the markings from his work and on my work now I just pay attention to wire color. Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Saylor Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? I don't think so. I ended up with rolls of 1/4, 3/16, and 1/8 for the Sharpie method. 1/8 will fit all but the smallest wire you would label. --Dave On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bill Putney wrote: Will the 1/4" Rhino tape shrink down enough to be tight on 22 AWG Tefzel? Bill On 5/27/15 10:31, Jim Berry wrote: I used the Dymo Rhino Pro 5000 with their pricey heat shrink tubing. It works very well, and after 7-8 years the labels are holding up well; no evidence of deterioration, including firewall forward. There are ways to cut down on the before- and after- label waste that Dave referred to, but you can't eliminate it entirely. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442608#442608 - Electric-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Tubing Labeler? From: Daniel Hooper The tricky thing about the dymo shrink tube size is that it is given as the FLAT width, AKA the printable size, rather than diameter. So 1/4 tube WILL NOT fit over 3/16 wire. I think a formula that should work is Diameter = (2/PI)*Width Amazon claims it shrinks 3:1. It works great, although the label can be partially rubbed off (lightened) with friction. > On May 27, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Bill Putney wrote: > > > Will the 1/4" Rhino tape shrink down enough to be tight on 22 AWG Tefzel? > > Bill > > On 5/27/15 10:31, Jim Berry wrote: >> >> I used the Dymo Rhino Pro 5000 with their pricey heat shrink tubing. It works very well, and after 7-8 years the labels are holding up well; no evidence of deterioration, including firewall forward. There are ways to cut down on the before- and after- label waste that Dave referred to, but you can't eliminate it entirely. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442608#442608 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.