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1. 05:04 AM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (BobsV35B@aol.com)
2. 07:27 AM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (Werner Schneider)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (Charlie England)
4. 08:50 AM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (H. Marvin Haught)
5. 11:18 AM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (John Tipton)
6. 11:44 AM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (H. Marvin Haught)
7. 11:56 AM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (Tim Olson)
8. 12:18 PM - Re: iPad in the Cockpit (Stuart Hutchison)
9. 12:22 PM - basic questions on terminal strips (Ken Ryan)
10. 06:13 PM - Re: basic questions on terminal strips (user9253)
11. 06:39 PM - Re: basic questions on terminal strips (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 06:45 PM - Re: basic questions on terminal strips (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 10:03 PM - Re: basic questions on terminal strips (Ken Ryan)
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
Good Morning M. Haught,
Very well put.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
The iPad 2 is generating much less heat then the mini iPad or iPad3.
That will influence usability ;)
Cheers Werner
On 18.06.2015 16:28, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> On 06/18/2015 08:57 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>> On a normally warm yesterday my iPad mini 2 with WingX Pro 7, held in
>> cockpit space by a Ram mount, gave up and said words to the effect: "I
>> am suffering from heat exhaustion and will have to rest for a while."
> On the flip side of that, I have an iPad 2 running WingX mounted on the
> panel of my Glastar using a RAM mount, and have had no issues in using
> it, going on 4 years now.
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
I don't think internal heat generation is the issue; it's heat gain
(absorption) due to exposure to sunlight on the black screen.
Having said that, losing basic flight instruments on a VFR day in bright
sunlight shouldn't be too much of a problem. Losing nav info might be a
bit bigger deal if on a cross country, but should be recoverable by just
moving the device out of the sun until it cools down. Besides, a backup
nav device is as simple as a smart phone.
Charlie
On 6/19/2015 9:26 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
> <glastar@gmx.net>
>
> The iPad 2 is generating much less heat then the mini iPad or iPad3.
>
> That will influence usability ;)
>
> Cheers Werner
>
> On 18.06.2015 16:28, Dj Merrill wrote:
>>
>> On 06/18/2015 08:57 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>>> On a normally warm yesterday my iPad mini 2 with WingX Pro 7, held in
>>> cockpit space by a Ram mount, gave up and said words to the effect: "I
>>> am suffering from heat exhaustion and will have to rest for a while."
>> On the flip side of that, I have an iPad 2 running WingX mounted on the
>> panel of my Glastar using a RAM mount, and have had no issues in using
>> it, going on 4 years now.
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
I could not be more pleased with my iPad 2, for general use or in the cockpit.
Bought it used from a guy trading up when the iP3 came out, and it has been flawless.
Good battery life, everything works well and will hook up with my piece
of crap iMac, and interfaces on various apps with my iPhone perfectly. It
will be a sad day when I have to trade up because I suspect that anything that
replaces it will not be nearly as good as it has been. My iPhone had its trepidations,
and had to be replaced twice when new because the battery would not
hold a charge and got really hot, but the last one has been good. So I read
reviews about the newer iterations in anticipation of having to replace either
of them and hope I can put off the change as long as possible. Still, I think
the cooling issues can be mitigated. Like any other piece of equipment, you
just have to deal with the particular operating characteristics of each to maximize
the usability. Due to my old eyes I favor the larger of the display screens
available, which can create space and layout issues.
M. Haught
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
> The iPad 2 is generating much less heat then the mini iPad or iPad3.
>
> That will influence usability ;)
>
> Cheers Werner
>
> On 18.06.2015 16:28, Dj Merrill wrote:
>>
>> On 06/18/2015 08:57 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>>> On a normally warm yesterday my iPad mini 2 with WingX Pro 7, held in
>>> cockpit space by a Ram mount, gave up and said words to the effect: "I
>>> am suffering from heat exhaustion and will have to rest for a while."
>> On the flip side of that, I have an iPad 2 running WingX mounted on the
>> panel of my Glastar using a RAM mount, and have had no issues in using
>> it, going on 4 years now.
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
Here's how I use my iPad: oh yes: that's my four year old grandson co-pilot
John
Sent from my iPad
----x--O--x----
> On 19 Jun 2015, at 04:49 pm, "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc@madisoncounty.ne
t> wrote:
>
soncounty.net>
>
> I could not be more pleased with my iPad 2, for general use or in the cock
pit. Bought it used from a guy trading up when the iP3 came out, and it has
been flawless. Good battery life, everything works well and will hook up w
ith my piece of crap iMac, and interfaces on various apps with my iPhone per
fectly. It will be a sad day when I have to =9Ctrade up=9D becau
se I suspect that anything that replaces it will not be nearly as good as it
has been. My iPhone had it=99s trepidations, and had to be replaced t
wice when new because the battery would not hold a charge and got really hot
, but the last one has been good. So I read reviews about the newer iterati
ons in anticipation of having to replace either of them and hope I can put o
ff the change as long as possible. Still, I think the cooling issues can be
mitigated. Like any other piece of equipment, you just have to deal with t
he particular operating characteristics of each to maximize the usability. D
ue to my =9Cold eye!
> s=9D I favor the larger of the display screens available, which can c
reate space and layout issues.
>
> M. Haught
>
>
>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
t>
>>
>> The iPad 2 is generating much less heat then the mini iPad or iPad3.
>>
>> That will influence usability ;)
>>
>> Cheers Werner
>>
>>> On 18.06.2015 16:28, Dj Merrill wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/18/2015 08:57 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>>>> On a normally warm yesterday my iPad mini 2 with WingX Pro 7, held in
>>>> cockpit space by a Ram mount, gave up and said words to the effect: "I
>>>> am suffering from heat exhaustion and will have to rest for a while."
>>> On the flip side of that, I have an iPad 2 running WingX mounted on the
>>> panel of my Glastar using a RAM mount, and have had no issues in using
>>> it, going on 4 years now.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
Great photo! Thats the way to get them started!
Marv
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:16 PM, John Tipton <jmtipton@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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> <image.jpeg>
>
> Here's how I use my iPad: oh yes: that's my four year old grandson co-pilot
>
> John
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ----x--O--x----
>
>> On 19 Jun 2015, at 04:49 pm, "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc@madisoncounty.net>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> I could not be more pleased with my iPad 2, for general use or in the cockpit.
Bought it used from a guy trading up when the iP3 came out, and it has been
flawless. Good battery life, everything works well and will hook up with my
piece of crap iMac, and interfaces on various apps with my iPhone perfectly.
It will be a sad day when I have to trade up because I suspect that anything that
replaces it will not be nearly as good as it has been. My iPhone had its
trepidations, and had to be replaced twice when new because the battery would
not hold a charge and got really hot, but the last one has been good. So I read
reviews about the newer iterations in anticipation of having to replace either
of them and hope I can put off the change as long as possible. Still, I think
the cooling issues can be mitigated. Like any other piece of equipment,
you just have to deal with the particular operating characteristics of each to
maximize the usability. Due to my old eye!
>> s I favor the larger of the display screens available, which can create space
and layout issues.
>>
>> M. Haught
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The iPad 2 is generating much less heat then the mini iPad or iPad3.
>>>
>>> That will influence usability ;)
>>>
>>> Cheers Werner
>>>
>>>> On 18.06.2015 16:28, Dj Merrill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/18/2015 08:57 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>>>>> On a normally warm yesterday my iPad mini 2 with WingX Pro 7, held in
>>>>> cockpit space by a Ram mount, gave up and said words to the effect: "I
>>>>> am suffering from heat exhaustion and will have to rest for a while."
>>>> On the flip side of that, I have an iPad 2 running WingX mounted on the
>>>> panel of my Glastar using a RAM mount, and have had no issues in using
>>>> it, going on 4 years now.
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
If you like the 2 you'll really like the air/air2 also some day.
Tim
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:49 AM, H. Marvin Haught <handainc@madisoncounty.net> wrote:
>
>
> I could not be more pleased with my iPad 2, for general use or in the cockpit.
Bought it used from a guy trading up when the iP3 came out, and it has been
flawless. Good battery life, everything works well and will hook up with my
piece of crap iMac, and interfaces on various apps with my iPhone perfectly. It
will be a sad day when I have to trade up because I suspect that anything that
replaces it will not be nearly as good as it has been. My iPhone had its trepidations,
and had to be replaced twice when new because the battery would not
hold a charge and got really hot, but the last one has been good. So I read
reviews about the newer iterations in anticipation of having to replace either
of them and hope I can put off the change as long as possible. Still, I think
the cooling issues can be mitigated. Like any other piece of equipment, you
just have to deal with the particular operating characteristics of each to
maximize the usability. Due to my old eye!
> s I favor the larger of the display screens available, which can create space
and layout issues.
>
> M. Haught
>
>
>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The iPad 2 is generating much less heat then the mini iPad or iPad3.
>>
>> That will influence usability ;)
>>
>> Cheers Werner
>>
>>> On 18.06.2015 16:28, Dj Merrill wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/18/2015 08:57 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>>>> On a normally warm yesterday my iPad mini 2 with WingX Pro 7, held in
>>>> cockpit space by a Ram mount, gave up and said words to the effect: "I
>>>> am suffering from heat exhaustion and will have to rest for a while."
>>> On the flip side of that, I have an iPad 2 running WingX mounted on the
>>> panel of my Glastar using a RAM mount, and have had no issues in using
>>> it, going on 4 years now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad in the Cockpit |
Like anything electronic, the iPad generates its own heat and requires
cooling airflow. Vertical mount lends itself to effective cooling as the
heat rises away from the device, but carrying it on your lap or in a
knee mount in direct sunlight in thin air makes cooling even harder.
I=99ve seen a horizontally mounted iPad overheat and shut down in
under 20 min in a Lancair IV at 18000.
Food for thought. If you can, point the punkah louver at it.
Cheers, Stu
> On 19 Jun 2015, at 22:42, H. Marvin Haught
<handainc@madisoncounty.net> wrote:
>
<handainc@madisoncounty.net <mailto:handainc@madisoncounty.net>>
>
> Great photo! That=99s the way to get them started!
>
> Marv
>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:16 PM, John Tipton <jmtipton@btopenworld.com
<mailto:jmtipton@btopenworld.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <image.jpeg>
>>
>> Here's how I use my iPad: oh yes: that's my four year old grandson
co-pilot
>>
>> John
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> ----x--O--x----
>>
>>> On 19 Jun 2015, at 04:49 pm, "H. Marvin Haught"
<handainc@madisoncounty.net> wrote:
>>>
<handainc@madisoncounty.net>
>>>
>>> I could not be more pleased with my iPad 2, for general use or in
the cockpit. Bought it used from a guy trading up when the iP3 came
out, and it has been flawless. Good battery life, everything works well
and will hook up with my piece of crap iMac, and interfaces on various
apps with my iPhone perfectly. It will be a sad day when I have to
=9Ctrade up=9D because I suspect that anything that replaces
it will not be nearly as good as it has been. My iPhone had it=99s
trepidations, and had to be replaced twice when new because the battery
would not hold a charge and got really hot, but the last one has been
good. So I read reviews about the newer iterations in anticipation of
having to replace either of them and hope I can put off the change as
long as possible. Still, I think the cooling issues can be mitigated.
Like any other piece of equipment, you just have to deal with the
particular operating characteristics of each to maximize the usability.
Due to my =9Cold !
> eye!
>>> s=9D I favor the larger of the display screens available,
which can create space and layout issues.
>>>
>>> M. Haught
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
wrote:
>>>>
<glastar@gmx.net>
>>>>
>>>> The iPad 2 is generating much less heat then the mini iPad or
iPad3.
>>>>
>>>> That will influence usability ;)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers Werner
>>>>
>>>>> On 18.06.2015 16:28, Dj Merrill wrote:
<deej@deej.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/18/2015 08:57 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On a normally warm yesterday my iPad mini 2 with WingX Pro 7,
held in
>>>>>> cockpit space by a Ram mount, gave up and said words to the
effect: "I
>>>>>> am suffering from heat exhaustion and will have to rest for a
while."
>>>>> On the flip side of that, I have an iPad 2 running WingX mounted
on the
>>>>> panel of my Glastar using a RAM mount, and have had no issues in
using
>>>>> it, going on 4 years now.
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | basic questions on terminal strips |
I have two beacons, each beacon has a positive, negative and
synchronization wire. I need to connect the wires from each beacon and
then send them forward. I have chosen to accomplish this with a
terminal strip.
I have noticed that the terminal strips do use star washers. Should I
use a star washer atop my ring terminals? Or maybe I should use thread
locker on the terminal strip screw?
Also, is it okay to stack two ring terminals on one side of the
terminal strip (as shown in the attached photo)?
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: basic questions on terminal strips |
Unless the wires will be taken apart frequently or need to be exposed for testing,
I prefer to make a permanent splice. Terminal strips could be a trouble spot
due to loose screws or corrosion. If a terminal strip is used, an internal
tooth star washer between the ring terminals and screw head is a good idea.
Temporary thread locker could also be used. When I install two ring terminals
under one screw, I orientate them back to back so that a ring terminal does
not have to be bent. A thin film of grease will help prevent corrosion. Grease
does not hinder conduction because the screw pressure forces the grease out.
Thus there is still metal to metal contact. Wires should be supported close
to the ring terminals to prevent any relative motion due to vibration. Your
installation looks neat with the cushion clamps.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443827#443827
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| Subject: | Re: basic questions on terminal strips |
At 02:20 PM 6/19/2015, you wrote:
I have two beacons, each beacon has a positive, negative and
synchronization wire. I need to connect the wires from each beacon and
then send them forward. I have chosen to accomplish this with a
terminal strip.
I have noticed that the terminal strips do use star washers. Should I
use a star washer atop my ring terminals? Or maybe I should use thread
locker on the terminal strip screw?
Also, is it okay to stack two ring terminals on one side of the
terminal strip (as shown in the attached photo)?
Thanks.
As a general rule, new designs will minimize the use
of threaded fasteners . . . particularly screws into
soft threads (Yeah, circuit breakers do that . . . you
just gotta live with some things!). Those barrier
strips are brass screws into brass nuts formed out of the
two-barrel, hollow rivet that makes up the conductor
between screws.
The preferred terminal strip is illustrated below. CAPTIVE
studs designed to take a stack of terminals and press
them together in gas-tight harmony with the universe.
Emacs!
These things are not cheap. However, you can make
your own from a block of phenolic, Delrin or similar
structural insulator. Press hex headed studs into
undersized, counterbores and pot the back side with
epoxy. Crank a nut down on TOP of the block to capture
the stud.
Now you can stack as many terminals on the studs
as you like while maintaining gas-tight integrity
between the stack of terminals. A metal locking nut
on a quality steel screw will squish things together
with a great deal more robustness than those brass
screws into internally threaded, brass sleeves.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: basic questions on terminal strips |
>These things are not cheap.
http://tinyurl.com/qd233vg
but you can make your own . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: basic questions on terminal strips |
Thanks everyone for the ideas regarding terminal strips. I will make my own
using the captive stud approach as suggested by Bob. I feel much better
about that approach than the terminal strip I had chosen.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> At 02:20 PM 6/19/2015, you wrote:
> I have two beacons, each beacon has a positive, negative and
> synchronization wire. I need to connect the wires from each beacon and
> then send them forward. I have chosen to accomplish this with a
> terminal strip.
>
> I have noticed that the terminal strips do use star washers. Should I
> use a star washer atop my ring terminals? Or maybe I should use thread
> locker on the terminal strip screw?
>
> Also, is it okay to stack two ring terminals on one side of the
> terminal strip (as shown in the attached photo)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> *As a general rule, new designs will minimize the use **of threaded
> fasteners . . . particularly screws into **soft threads (Yeah, circuit
> breakers do that . . . you **just gotta live with some things!). Those
> barrier **strips are brass screws into brass nuts formed out of the **two-barrel,
> hollow rivet that makes up the conductor *
> *between screws. **The preferred terminal strip is illustrated below.
> CAPTIVE **studs designed to take a stack of terminals and press *
>
>
> *them together in gas-tight harmony with the universe. * [image: Emacs!]
>
>
> *These things are not cheap. However, you can make **your own from a
> block of phenolic, Delrin or similar **structural insulator. Press hex
> headed studs into **undersized, counterbores and pot the back side with **epoxy.
> Crank a nut down on TOP of the block to capture *
> *the stud. **Now you can stack as many terminals on the studs **as you
> like while maintaining gas-tight integrity **between the stack of
> terminals. A metal locking nut **on a quality steel screw will squish
> things together **with a great deal more robustness than those brass **screws
> into internally threaded, brass sleeves.*
>
> Bob . . .
>
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