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1. 11:47 AM - US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (jonlaury)
2. 12:12 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (C&K)
3. 12:42 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (John Tipton)
4. 01:00 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (John Tipton)
5. 01:01 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (Charlie England)
6. 01:10 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (Bob McCallum)
7. 01:14 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (Peter Pengilly)
8. 01:17 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (Mark Moyle)
9. 02:23 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (Bill Putney)
10. 03:55 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (Bob McCallum)
11. 06:16 PM - Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? (Paul Kuntz)
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Subject: | US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
During the lull in aerolectric posts...
What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine. The EU
machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the picture
attached.
Thanks,
John
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
For temporary use I use clothes drier or stove receptacles in houses
that have them.
Either a patch cord or just replace the plug on the existing cord.
Not for unattended use as those receptacles are fused 30 to 50 amps.
Ken
do not archive
On 18/10/2015 2:45 PM, jonlaury wrote:
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> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>
> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine. The
EU machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the
picture attached.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
That's not a EU plug, it's our standard 'ring main' plug here in the UK: the plug
as you look at it (upside down) has three pins, the longest (at the bottom
of the picture) is the earth, first to go into the socket when inserted and last
to leave when removed, the pin on the left is the neutral, and the one on
the right (as viewed) is the live and is fitted with a fuse up to 13amps ie: 3000watts
(maximum load) divide by 240volts equals 12.5 (13amps)
I presume you have similar 'wires' in USA ie: Live, Neutral and Earth
John
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> On 18 Oct 2015, at 07:45 pm, "jonlaury" <jonlaury@impulse.net> wrote:
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> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>
> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine. The
EU machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the
picture attached.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
And just to make it clear:
Earth lead is: green/yellow
Live lead is: Brown
Neutral lead is: Blue
John
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> On 18 Oct 2015, at 08:41 pm, John Tipton <jmtipton@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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>
> That's not a EU plug, it's our standard 'ring main' plug here in the UK: the
plug as you look at it (upside down) has three pins, the longest (at the bottom
of the picture) is the earth, first to go into the socket when inserted and
last to leave when removed, the pin on the left is the neutral, and the one on
the right (as viewed) is the live and is fitted with a fuse up to 13amps ie:
3000watts (maximum load) divide by 240volts equals 12.5 (13amps)
>
> I presume you have similar 'wires' in USA ie: Live, Neutral and Earth
>
> John
>
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>> On 18 Oct 2015, at 07:45 pm, "jonlaury" <jonlaury@impulse.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>>
>> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine. The
EU machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the
picture attached.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
On October 18, 2015 2:45:19 PM EDT, jonlaury <jonlaury@impulse.net> wrote:
><jonlaury@impulse.net>
>
>During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>
>What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w
>machine. The EU machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground
>through the plug in the picture attached.
>
>Thanks,
>John
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03159_small_173.jpg
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One us leg (phase) to hot; other us leg to neutral....BUT....that may well leave
some 'touchable' part of the device at 120-240 volts above ground potential,
which could kill.
Much safer to use a 120-240volt stepup transformer (pricey).
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Subject: | US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
The plug you've pictured is actually "British Standard" not EU, but simply
connect your two North American 240 volt hot lines to the "line" and
"neutral" of the British plug and ground to ground of course and you're good
to go. (Ignore/don't connect, the North American neutral.) As someone else
mentioned if this is a permanent conversion, cut off the British plug,
attach a NEMA 6-15 North American plug http://tinyurl.com/nfrrzrx the
matching receptacle such as this http://tinyurl.com/pags86c , and you're
set.
If you don't wish to modify the existing plug, here's the matching British
receptacle. http://tinyurl.com/qcqqd9p
By the way the British plugs are internally fused @ 13 Amps so the concern
for connecting to a North American dryer or stove circuit is minimal as long
as you retain the existing plug. (you can actually see the fuse in your
photo)
Bob McC
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:45 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: US 240v to power EU 240v machine?
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>
> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>
> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine.
The EU
> machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the
picture
> attached.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
Assuming you have a UK extension lead, fit a US 240v plug and hook it
up. I lived in Texas for 5 years and did exactly that with several
appliances - all seemed to work OK. Motors will run 20% faster as US
uses 60Hz and UK/Europe uses 50Hz. When looks at the pins of the plug,
hot is on the left (usually brown wire), earth is at the top (usually
green or yellow/green wire) and neutral on the right (blue wire). The
hot pin is usually protected by a fuse within the plug body.
Peter
PS US motors run in Europe can suffer from overheating.
On 18/10/2015 19:45, jonlaury wrote:
>
> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>
> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine. The
EU machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the
picture attached.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03159_small_173.jpg
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
http://www.amazon.com/STEP-UP-DOWN-TRANSFORMER-WATT/dp/B002RRPTZU/ref=sr_1_78?srs=2530188011&ie=UTF8&qid=1445199307&sr=8-78
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> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:45 AM, "jonlaury" <jonlaury@impulse.net> wrote:
>
>
> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>
> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine. The
EU machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the
picture attached.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
Ouch! So, in the U.S. on single phase services, the usual arrangement is
120V (L1) -neutral-120V (L2) and a separate protective ground that is
tied to neutral at the load panel. A 240V to 240V isolation transformer
can be used to make the connection you need. On the U.S. side, L1 and L2
are connected to the transformer's primary and on the U.K. side connect
one leg of the transformer to neutral and one leg to 240V hot. Pass the
protective ground through.
If you connect the L1 and L2 of the U.S. system together you will make a
lot of sparks and pop the circuit breaker! L1 and L2 are 2 120V legs
180 out of phase. Don't connect them!
For just a 150W device I think you'll find an "International Step-up
Transformer" is probably the simplest solution. Forget the U.S. 240V
circuit all together. For $35 on Amazon I don't think you can buy all
the connectors and stuff you need to build a solution for that price.
http://www.amazon.com/Dynastar-Converter-Transformer-Lifetime-5-Year-Warranty/dp/B00KAJ8KG2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1445203102&sr=8-6&keywords=international+transformer
Bill
On 10/18/15 13:09, Bob McCallum wrote:
>
> The plug you've pictured is actually "British Standard" not EU, but simply
> connect your two North American 240 volt hot lines to the "line" and
> "neutral" of the British plug and ground to ground of course and you're good
> to go. (Ignore/don't connect, the North American neutral.) As someone else
> mentioned if this is a permanent conversion, cut off the British plug,
> attach a NEMA 6-15 North American plug http://tinyurl.com/nfrrzrx the
> matching receptacle such as this http://tinyurl.com/pags86c , and you're
> set.
>
> If you don't wish to modify the existing plug, here's the matching British
> receptacle. http://tinyurl.com/qcqqd9p
> By the way the British plugs are internally fused @ 13 Amps so the concern
> for connecting to a North American dryer or stove circuit is minimal as long
> as you retain the existing plug. (you can actually see the fuse in your
> photo)
>
> Bob McC
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonlaury
>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:45 PM
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: US 240v to power EU 240v machine?
>>
>>
>> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
>>
>> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w machine.
> The EU
>> machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in the
> picture
>> attached.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03159_small_173.jpg
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Subject: | US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
The original question was for the "simplest" way to operate the UK device on
a North American power system. The "Simplest" way is what I described. No
transformer is required. A 240 volt device is a 240 volt device no matter
which side of the ocean it resides on. In the UK (or Europe) 240 volt single
phase devices are connected between a "hot" line and a "neutral" (grounded)
line. In North America that same 240 volt single phase device would be
connected between the two live line connections (L1, L2, as you've
described) and not connected to the "neutral" (grounded) connection. In
either case the actual "ground" (earth) connection would be made as usual.
My original description in no way suggested connecting together the two
"line" connections creating a direct short as you seem to have interpreted.
Maybe I should have said "Connect your two North American 240 volt hot lines
to the "line" and
"neutral" RESPECTIVLY of the British plug and ground to ground of course and
you're good
to go" to make it clearer.
If that British supply cord were cut open you would find a Brown conductor
which you would connect to L1 of the North American system, a blue conductor
which you would connect to L2, and a green/yellow striped conductor which
you would connect to ground. (green or bare in the American system).
The transformer connections you describe are correct and would work, but the
transformer is not necessary. Simply connect directly to the 240 lines plus
ground.
The only slight difference, as someone else pointed out, is frequency, which
in North America is 60 Hertz and most of the rest of the planet 50 hertz.
This will make a difference in the speed of motors which will be faster on
60 and slower on 50. Also depending on the iron content 60 cycle motors may
tend to overheat on 50 cycle.
Respectfully
Bob McC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Putney
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:22 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: US 240v to power EU 240v machine?
>
>
> Ouch! So, in the U.S. on single phase services, the usual arrangement is
> 120V (L1) -neutral-120V (L2) and a separate protective ground that is
> tied to neutral at the load panel. A 240V to 240V isolation transformer
> can be used to make the connection you need. On the U.S. side, L1 and L2
> are connected to the transformer's primary and on the U.K. side connect
> one leg of the transformer to neutral and one leg to 240V hot. Pass the
> protective ground through.
>
> If you connect the L1 and L2 of the U.S. system together you will make a
> lot of sparks and pop the circuit breaker! L1 and L2 are 2 120V legs
> 180 out of phase. Don't connect them!
>
> For just a 150W device I think you'll find an "International Step-up
> Transformer" is probably the simplest solution. Forget the U.S. 240V
> circuit all together. For $35 on Amazon I don't think you can buy all
> the connectors and stuff you need to build a solution for that price.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Dynastar-Converter-Transformer-Lifetime-5-Year-
> Warranty/dp/B00KAJ8KG2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1445203102&sr=8-
> 6&keywords=international+transformer
>
>
> Bill
>
> On 10/18/15 13:09, Bob McCallum wrote:
> <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > The plug you've pictured is actually "British Standard" not EU, but
simply
> > connect your two North American 240 volt hot lines to the "line" and
> > "neutral" of the British plug and ground to ground of course and you're
good
> > to go. (Ignore/don't connect, the North American neutral.) As someone
else
> > mentioned if this is a permanent conversion, cut off the British plug,
> > attach a NEMA 6-15 North American plug http://tinyurl.com/nfrrzrx the
> > matching receptacle such as this http://tinyurl.com/pags86c , and you're
> > set.
> >
> > If you don't wish to modify the existing plug, here's the matching
British
> > receptacle. http://tinyurl.com/qcqqd9p
> > By the way the British plugs are internally fused @ 13 Amps so the
concern
> > for connecting to a North American dryer or stove circuit is minimal as
long
> > as you retain the existing plug. (you can actually see the fuse in your
> > photo)
> >
> > Bob McC
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonlaury
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:45 PM
> >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: US 240v to power EU 240v machine?
> >>
<jonlaury@impulse.net>
> >>
> >> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
> >>
> >> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w
machine.
> > The EU
> >> machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug in
the
> > picture
> >> attached.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
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Subject: | Re: US 240v to power EU 240v machine? |
Bob McC is correct. I was on assignment to the UK for a few years, and
took a 240V US power tool with me to the UK, then brought a couple of 240V
UK power tools back with me when the assignment ended. The only thing I
had to do at each end of the assignment was cut off the plugs and replace
them. There are also plug adapters available from many sources if you
don't want to replace the plugs. As Bob notes, since they were powered by
synchronous AC motors, they ran faster on 60 Hz US power than they did on
50 Hz electric power. That's almost never a problem, unless the
application is dependent on the motor speed, such as an electric clock.
Paul Kuntz
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.c
a
> wrote:
> robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
>
> The original question was for the "simplest" way to operate the UK device
> on
> a North American power system. The "Simplest" way is what I described. No
> transformer is required. A 240 volt device is a 240 volt device no matter
> which side of the ocean it resides on. In the UK (or Europe) 240 volt
> single
> phase devices are connected between a "hot" line and a "neutral" (grounde
d)
> line. In North America that same 240 volt single phase device would be
> connected between the two live line connections (L1, L2, as you've
> described) and not connected to the "neutral" (grounded) connection. In
> either case the actual "ground" (earth) connection would be made as usual
.
>
> My original description in no way suggested connecting together the two
> "line" connections creating a direct short as you seem to have interprete
d.
> Maybe I should have said "Connect your two North American 240 volt hot
> lines
> to the "line" and
> "neutral" RESPECTIVLY of the British plug and ground to ground of course
> and
> you're good
> to go" to make it clearer.
>
> If that British supply cord were cut open you would find a Brown conducto
r
> which you would connect to L1 of the North American system, a blue
> conductor
> which you would connect to L2, and a green/yellow striped conductor which
> you would connect to ground. (green or bare in the American system).
>
> The transformer connections you describe are correct and would work, but
> the
> transformer is not necessary. Simply connect directly to the 240 lines pl
us
> ground.
>
> The only slight difference, as someone else pointed out, is frequency,
> which
> in North America is 60 Hertz and most of the rest of the planet 50 hertz.
> This will make a difference in the speed of motors which will be faster o
n
> 60 and slower on 50. Also depending on the iron content 60 cycle motors m
ay
> tend to overheat on 50 cycle.
>
> Respectfully
> Bob McC
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Putney
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:22 PM
> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: US 240v to power EU 240v machine?
> >
> >
> > Ouch! So, in the U.S. on single phase services, the usual arrangement i
s
> > 120V (L1) -neutral-120V (L2) and a separate protective ground that is
> > tied to neutral at the load panel. A 240V to 240V isolation transformer
> > can be used to make the connection you need. On the U.S. side, L1 and L
2
> > are connected to the transformer's primary and on the U.K. side connect
> > one leg of the transformer to neutral and one leg to 240V hot. Pass the
> > protective ground through.
> >
> > If you connect the L1 and L2 of the U.S. system together you will make
a
> > lot of sparks and pop the circuit breaker! L1 and L2 are 2 120V legs
> > 180=C2=BA out of phase. Don't connect them!
> >
> > For just a 150W device I think you'll find an "International Step-up
> > Transformer" is probably the simplest solution. Forget the U.S. 240V
> > circuit all together. For $35 on Amazon I don't think you can buy all
> > the connectors and stuff you need to build a solution for that price.
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Dynastar-Converter-Transformer-Lifetime-5-Year-
> > Warranty/dp/B00KAJ8KG2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1445203102&sr=8-
> > 6&keywords=international+transformer
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On 10/18/15 13:09, Bob McCallum wrote:
> > <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
> > >
> > > The plug you've pictured is actually "British Standard" not EU, but
> simply
> > > connect your two North American 240 volt hot lines to the "line" and
> > > "neutral" of the British plug and ground to ground of course and you'
re
> good
> > > to go. (Ignore/don't connect, the North American neutral.) As someone
> else
> > > mentioned if this is a permanent conversion, cut off the British plug
,
> > > attach a NEMA 6-15 North American plug http://tinyurl.com/nfrrzrx
> the
> > > matching receptacle such as this http://tinyurl.com/pags86c , and
> you're
> > > set.
> > >
> > > If you don't wish to modify the existing plug, here's the matching
> British
> > > receptacle. http://tinyurl.com/qcqqd9p
> > > By the way the British plugs are internally fused @ 13 Amps so the
> concern
> > > for connecting to a North American dryer or stove circuit is minimal
as
> long
> > > as you retain the existing plug. (you can actually see the fuse in yo
ur
> > > photo)
> > >
> > > Bob McC
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> > >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonlaury
> > >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:45 PM
> > >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: US 240v to power EU 240v machine?
> > >>
> <jonlaury@impulse.net>
> > >>
> > >> During the lull in aerolectric posts...
> > >>
> > >> What's the simplest way to use US 240v to power a EU 240v @ 150w
> machine.
> > > The EU
> > >> machine uses a single hot leg, neutral and ground through the plug i
n
> the
> > > picture
> > >> attached.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448050#448050
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Attachments:
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> > >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03159_small_173.jpg
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