---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/23/16: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:02 AM - Re: Wiring Diagram (user9253) 2. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Generator, Alternator, Starting and Fuel Pump Con (Richard Girard) 3. 11:51 AM - Re: landing and nav/strobe LED lights (Rick Beebe) 4. 12:52 PM - Re: landing and nav/strobe LED lights (messydeer) 5. 05:47 PM - Difference between LR3C and SB1A Regulators (Carlos Trigo) 6. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Wiring Diagram (H. Marvin Haught) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:04 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Wiring Diagram From: "user9253" Is this the same airplane that was discussed back in July of 2015? http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443545 The wiring diagram that you posted yesterday shows a permanent magnet alternator (dynamo). Is that what is in the airplane? If the airplane has a standard alternator with a field winding, you might consider Bob's Z-11. http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z11N.pdf Or this simple electrical system: file:///C:/Users/SSD232GB/Downloads/Simple%20Elect%20System.pdf -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452210#452210 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Rotax 914 Generator, Alternator, Starting and Fuel Pump Con From: Richard Girard In the Rotax two stroke engine rectifier/regulator they had two options; one required a battery, the other didn't. The one that didn't require a battery had a built in load, a cap, to get the dynamo to produce current. Anecdotally, many years ago a friend of my son's was building up a Harley Sportster rat bike. It was the old engine with a generator and magneto. He brought it to me to put together the electrical system and said he didn't want to run a battery if he didn't absolutely have to. I found a kit to do just that, and it was, wait for it..... A big capacitor with a spring mount so that vibration of the off balance VTwin wouldn't beat it to death. As I recall the kit was all of $16 back then. I wired it up per instructions and it worked like a charm. Rick GIrard On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:00 PM, GTH wrote: > > *Le 23/01/2016 02:24, Robert L. Nuckolls, III a =C3=A9crit : * > > > * The legacy capacitor included in virtually every PM alternator > architecture will be examined in detail with a goal of putting numbers > on its efficacy.* > > > Hi Bob and all, > > About 13 years ago during the build of our project, I had the opportunity > to conduct some experiments with the Rotax 914 alternator & voltage > regulator. > We discovered that the Rotax voltage regulator doesn't start delivering > energy unless it is subject to some voltage from the battery or capacitor .. > My buddy Jerome (he is the expert) made an electrical analysis of the > performance of the voltage regulator. He also assessed the thermal behavi or > of the regulator with his students. > I published some info on Contrails ! > http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php > > Our MCR 4S four seater - wired as per the 'Connection philosophy - is > still going strong after 11 years of service. > > FWIW, > -- > Best regards, > Gilles > http://contrails.free.fr > http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: landing and nav/strobe LED lights From: Rick Beebe On 1/21/2016 4:25 PM, messydeer wrote: > Hey! > > I have a Sonex flying...er in the hangar now I hope...and want to put > LED lights in it. I've seen some nav/pos/strobe lights from Aveo > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.aircraftspruce.com_catalog_elpages_aveopowerburst.php&d=AwICAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=B3r23NppAfDxaB8BZVOE90ONScXB87S_Ft-XMAbEnpQ&m=FYXuK7Pj4amyVGy_kWnr53aqDuDwDuUqpZpC4ihLHKY&s=UDMvLjpK6jL8bXeo8J3XWJZSbJBm3dIvEsz94q56dm0&e > which are $500 a pair. I think it could be more than I want to tackle > to fab something like that and may just buy them off the shelf. > > Landing lights seem easier to fab. I'll be looking for a single very > bright LED light array. maybe as simple as getting one from Mauser. > Any idea how bright 'bright' is? I see that Duckworks lists their 2nd > tier LED light at 320,000 candlepower. I've also seen PAR36 listed, > which I believe is the pattern lights shoot. Duckworks also mentions > 'no RF interference', which makes me wonder if there'd normally be a > problem without some fix. > > Suggestions? > > -------- Dan PAR-36 describes the physical size of the bulb. 4.5 inches or 36 eighths in diameter. I haven't installed it yet but I bought one of these to try in my GlaStar: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B008UBVC26 A couple of the reviewers are using them on planes. They have a trapezoidal pattern and a flood. I chose the former for landing light use. --Rick ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:06 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: landing and nav/strobe LED lights From: "messydeer" Thanks, Rick :-) Advantage of that one looks to be weight. Here are the light bars I'm trying out from AMZN: http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishl ... l_huc_view I'll keep you posted on how it works. -------- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452215#452215 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:08 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Difference between LR3C and SB1A Regulators Guys Can anybody please explain the difference(s), if any, between regulators LR3C and SB1A from B&C? Regards Carlos --- Este e-mail foi verificado em termos de v=C3=ADrus pelo software antiv=C3 =ADrus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Wiring Diagram From: "H. Marvin Haught" Yes, it is. I have had several health set backs and am just now able to get back to work on the project. No, the airplane will have a light weight B&C Alternator and starter. I have not bought any components yet as I wanted to have a solid plan before buying parts. I will look at those diagrams. I posted this one because it is very similar to that on a 1981 Super Cub. I think using something similar to what has been approved equipment on a Piper product may help me get approval easier if I can refer to a Piper drawing, and then show my changes. This is my first rodeo, so I dont have a clue. M. Haught > On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:58 AM, user9253 wrote: > > > Is this the same airplane that was discussed back in July of 2015? > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443545 > The wiring diagram that you posted yesterday shows a permanent magnet alternator (dynamo). Is that what is in the airplane? > If the airplane has a standard alternator with a field winding, you might consider Bob's Z-11. > http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z11N.pdf > Or this simple electrical system: > file:///C:/Users/SSD232GB/Downloads/Simple%20Elect%20System.pdf > > -------- > Joe Gores > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452210#452210 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.