---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/15/16: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:55 AM - Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Greenbacks, UnLtd.) 2. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Bill Settle) 3. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (John B) 4. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Jan) 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Jared Yates) 6. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Jan) 7. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Jan) 8. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Jared Yates) 9. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Cont actor...pedigree unknown (jan) 10. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Cont actor...pedigree unknown (Jared Yates) 11. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Bill Settle) 12. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Charlie England) 13. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (John Tipton) 14. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Bill Settle) 15. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Bill Settle) 16. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (John Tipton) 17. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Bill Settle) 18. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Charlie England) 19. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (John B) 20. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (franz@lastfrontierheli.com) 21. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (David Lloyd) 22. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Peter Pengilly) 23. 09:14 PM - S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 24. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 25. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown (Lyle Peterson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:41 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin markings on this part. B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, I should return the item.. Angier Ames ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:54 AM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown I have the same one. I called to get confirmation on the internal wiring of the "I" terminal that is to be used for an annunciator output because I wa nted to know exactly how it worked.=C2- Talked to the top two guys there. =C2- Neither could tell me how it worked nor could they supply a schemati c of the internals. From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." To: Aeroelectric Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:35 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor ...pedigree unknown .net> I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin marki ngs on this part. B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, I should return the item.. Angier Ames =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - S - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:11 AM PST US From: John B Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown B&C manufacturers and sells products of very high quality. Where the products are sourced from isn't a reflection on the quality of the parts. On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 6:35 AM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. wrote: > N4ZQ@verizon.net> > > I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to > see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin > markings on this part. > B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I > were dissatisfied, > I should return the item.. > > Angier Ames > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Jan I have always had very good service from B&C and surprised that they will not tell you country of origin ... I may jump the gun on this but in my experience no manufacturing information markings tend to indicate that it's made in China .... I am involved with China in my day job ... Some stuff is good ... But loads are not .. :-) .... If sold by B&C I would like to believe they do quality checks to make sure the unit is fit for purpose ... All the best Jan > On Feb 15, 2016, at 13:35, Greenbacks, UnLtd. wrote: > > > I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to > see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin markings on this part. > B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, > I should return the item.. > > Angier Ames > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Jared Yates Here's a link to a Cole Hersee 24037 on Amazon: http://amzn.to/1TlkBvK When the small business falls short, there's always the big business. Alas, it isn't always true the other way around. On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. wrote: > N4ZQ@verizon.net> > > I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to > see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin > markings on this part. > B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I > were dissatisfied, > I should return the item.. > > Angier Ames > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Jan I assume you have seen the PDF that explain how to wire up the unit ? Link o n the B&C web site ... You should be able to ohm out the "I" terminal ... Not a very complicated device ... All the best Jan > On Feb 15, 2016, at 14:38, Bill Settle wrote: > > I have the same one. I called to get confirmation on the internal wiring o f the "I" terminal that is to be used for an annunciator output because I wa nted to know exactly how it worked. Talked to the top two guys there. Neit her could tell me how it worked nor could they supply a schematic of the int ernals. > > > From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." > To: Aeroelectric > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:35 AM > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor ...pedigree unknown > n.net> > > I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to > see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin mark ings on this part. > B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, > I should return the item..htnbsp; -Matt Dralle,tribution" t arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Jan I do not think that is the unit we are talking about - I believe the unit S7 02-1 is blue ... If you look at the B&C web site .. All the best Jan > On Feb 15, 2016, at 15:14, Jared Yates wrote: > > Here's a link to a Cole Hersee 24037 on Amazon: > http://amzn.to/1TlkBvK > When the small business falls short, there's always the big business. Ala s, it isn't always true the other way around. > >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. wr ote: on.net> >> >> I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to >> see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin mar kings on this part. >> B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, >> I should return the item.. >> >> Angier Ames >> >> ========== >> br> fts!) >> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.builde rsbooks.com >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> - >> Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> ========== >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Jared Yates My proposal was an alternative to the blue B&C unit. On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jan wrote: > I do not think that is the unit we are talking about - I believe the unit > S702-1 is blue ... If you look at the B&C web site .. > > > All the best > > Jan > > On Feb 15, 2016, at 15:14, Jared Yates wrote: > > Here's a link to a Cole Hersee 24037 on Amazon: > http://amzn.to/1TlkBvK > When the small business falls short, there's always the big business. > Alas, it isn't always true the other way around. > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. > wrote: > >> N4ZQ@verizon.net> >> >> I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to >> see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin >> markings on this part. >> B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if >> I were dissatisfied, >> I should return the item.. >> >> Angier Ames >> >> ========== >> br> fts!) >> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> www.buildersbooks.com >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> - >> Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:14 AM PST US From: jan Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Cont actor...pedigree unknown Ah ... I stand corrected ... The Cole Hersee brand is well know ... http://www.colehersee.com/ Jan _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jared Yates Sent: 15 February 2016 17:01 Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown My proposal was an alternative to the blue B&C unit. On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jan > wrote: I do not think that is the unit we are talking about - I believe the unit S702-1 is blue ... If you look at the B&C web site .. All the best Jan On Feb 15, 2016, at 15:14, Jared Yates > wrote: Here's a link to a Cole Hersee 24037 on Amazon: http://amzn.to/1TlkBvK When the small business falls short, there's always the big business. Alas, it isn't always true the other way around. 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Ah … I stand corrected … The Cole Hersee brand is well know … http://www.colehersee.com/< /o:p>

 

Jan

 

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jared Yates
Sent: 15 February 2016 17:01
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown

 

My proposal was an alternative to the blue B&C unit.

 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jan <jan@claver.demon.co.uk> wrote:

I do not think that is the unit we are talking about - I believe the unit S702-1 is blue ... If you look at the B&C web site ..

 



All the best

 

Jan


On Feb 15, 2016, at 15:14, Jared Yates <email@jaredyates.com> wrote:

Here's a link to a Cole Hersee 24037 on Amazon:

When the small business falls short, there's always the big business.  Alas, it isn't always true the other way around.

 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. <N4ZQ@verizon.net> wrote:

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I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to
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I should return the item..

Angier Ames

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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Cont actor...pedigree unknown From: Jared Yates I mentioned it because its origin is labeled, and we have a good spec sheet for it, so that would solve the problems cited in the original post. I probably should have used more words, sorry about that! On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:27 PM, jan wrote: > Ah I stand corrected The Cole Hersee brand is well kn ow > http://www.colehersee.com/ > > > Jan > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jared Yates > *Sent:* 15 February 2016 17:01 > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter > Contactor...pedigree unknown > > > My proposal was an alternative to the blue B&C unit. > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jan wrote: > > I do not think that is the unit we are talking about - I believe the unit > S702-1 is blue ... If you look at the B&C web site .. > > > All the best > > > Jan > > > On Feb 15, 2016, at 15:14, Jared Yates wrote: > > Here's a link to a Cole Hersee 24037 on Amazon: > > http://amzn.to/1TlkBvK > > When the small business falls short, there's always the big business. > Alas, it isn't always true the other way around. > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. > wrote: > > N4ZQ@verizon.net> > > I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to > see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin > markings on this part. > B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I > were dissatisfied, > I should return the item.. > > Angier Ames > > ========== > br> fts!) > r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > www.buildersbooks.com > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ========== > - > Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:20 AM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown Yes, I have seen the PDF.=C2- And yes, you would think you could ohm out the terminals.=C2- And yes again, I agree, it does not look like a very c omplicated device.=C2- However, there is no continuity between the "I" te rminal and any other terminal.=C2- Hence my inquiry to them.=C2- I am s till wiring so I have not energized the contactor and checked it in real wo rld operation yet.=C2- My questioning to them was whether the "I" termina l is suppose to go positive (+12vdc) on contact closure and have continuity with the "M" terminal or, have continuity through the mounting base and th us go negative (-12vdc) on closure.=C2- It would make a difference on the annunciator wiring.=C2- My assumption tells me it would go positive but I didn't want to assume anything.=C2- I called and talked to both of them and neither could tell me how it worked nor could they provide a schematic .=C2- From: Jan To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:42 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown I assume you have seen the PDF that explain how to wire up the unit ? Link on the B&C web site ... You should be able to ohm out the "I" terminal ... Not a very complicated device ...=C2- All the best Jan On Feb 15, 2016, at 14:38, Bill Settle wrote: I have the same one. I called to get confirmation on the internal wiring of the "I" terminal that is to be used for an annunciator output because I wa nted to know exactly how it worked.=C2- Talked to the top two guys there. =C2- Neither could tell me how it worked nor could they supply a schemati c of the internals. From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." To: Aeroelectric Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:35 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor ...pedigree unknown .net> I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin marki ngs on this part. B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, I should return the item..htnbsp; =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle,tribution" target="_blank"> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Charlie England SSdkIGNhbGwgYmFjayAmIGFzayBmb3IgdGhlIG5leHQgcGVyc29uIHVwIHRoZSBmb29kIGNoYWlu IHVudGlsIHlvdSBnZXQgdG8gdGhlIGJvc3MsIGlmIG5lY2Vzc2FyeS4gVGhhdCdzIG5vbnNlbnNl LCBjb21pbmcgZnJvbSBhIHNwZWNpYWx0eSB2ZW5kb3IgbGlrZSBCJkMuCgo8ZGl2Pi0tLS0tLS0t IE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0tLS08L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkZyb206IEJpbGwgU2V0dGxlIDxi aWxsc2V0dGxlQGJlbGxzb3V0aC5uZXQ+IDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+RGF0ZTowMi8xNS8yMDE2ICAxOjE2 IFBNICAoR01ULTA2OjAwKSA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlRvOiBhZXJvZWxlY3RyaWMtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tIDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+U3ViamVjdDogUmU6IEFlcm9FbGVjdHJpYy1MaXN0OiBSZTogIFM3 MDItMSBJbnRlcm1pdHRlbnQgRHV0eSBTdGFydGVyICAgQ29udGFjdG9yLi4ucGVkaWdyZWUgdW5r bm93biA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pgo8L2Rpdj5ZZXMsIEkgaGF2ZSBzZWVuIHRoZSBQREYuICBBbmQgeWVz LCB5b3Ugd291bGQgdGhpbmsgeW91IGNvdWxkIG9obSBvdXQgdGhlIHRlcm1pbmFscy4gIEFuZCB5 ZXMgYWdhaW4sIEkgYWdyZWUsIGl0IGRvZXMgbm90IGxvb2sgbGlrZSBhIHZlcnkgY29tcGxpY2F0 ZWQgZGV2aWNlLiAgSG93ZXZlciwgdGhlcmUgaXMgbm8gY29udGludWl0eSBiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSAi SSIgdGVybWluYWwgYW5kIGFueSBvdGhlciB0ZXJtaW5hbC4gIEhlbmNlIG15IGlucXVpcnkgdG8g dGhlbS4gIEkgYW0gc3RpbGwgd2lyaW5nIHNvIEkgaGF2ZSBub3QgZW5lcmdpemVkIHRoZSBjb250 YWN0b3IgYW5kIGNoZWNrZWQgaXQgaW4gcmVhbCB3b3JsZCBvcGVyYXRpb24geWV0LiAgTXkgcXVl c3Rpb25pbmcgdG8gdGhlbSB3YXMgd2hldGhlciB0aGUgIkkiIHRlcm1pbmFsIGlzIHN1cHBvc2Ug dG8gZ28gcG9zaXRpdmUgKCsxMnZkYykgb24gY29udGFjdCBjbG9zdXJlIGFuZCBoYXZlIGNvbnRp bnVpdHkgd2l0aCB0aGUgIk0iIHRlcm1pbmFsIG9yLCBoYXZlIGNvbnRpbnVpdHkgdGhyb3VnaCB0 aGUgbW91bnRpbmcgYmFzZSBhbmQgdGh1cyBnbyBuZWdhdGl2ZSAoLTEydmRjKSBvbiBjbG9zdXJl LiAgSXQgd291bGQgbWFrZSBhIGRpZmZlcmVuY2Ugb24gdGhlIGFubnVuY2lhdG9yIHdpcmluZy4g IE15IGFzc3VtcHRpb24gdGVsbHMgbWUgaXQgd291bGQgZ28gcG9zaXRpdmUgYnV0IEkgZGlkbid0 IHdhbnQgdG8gYXNzdW1lIGFueXRoaW5nLiAgSSBjYWxsZWQgYW5kIHRhbGtlZCB0byBib3RoIG9m IHRoZW0gYW5kIG5laXRoZXIgY291bGQgdGVsbCBtZSBob3cgaXQgd29ya2VkIG5vciBjb3VsZCB0 aGV5IHByb3ZpZGUgYSBzY2hlbWF0aWMuICAKCgpGcm9tOiBKYW4gPGphbkBjbGF2ZXIuZGVtb24u Y28udWs+ClRvOiBhZXJvZWxlY3RyaWMtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIApTZW50OiBNb25kYXks IEZlYnJ1YXJ5IDE1LCAyMDE2IDEwOjQyIEFNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBBZXJvRWxlY3RyaWMtTGlz dDogUmU6IFM3MDItMSBJbnRlcm1pdHRlbnQgRHV0eSBTdGFydGVyIENvbnRhY3Rvci4uLnBlZGln cmVlIHVua25vd24KCkkgYXNzdW1lIHlvdSBoYXZlIHNlZW4gdGhlIFBERiB0aGF0IGV4cGxhaW4g aG93IHRvIHdpcmUgdXAgdGhlIHVuaXQgPyBMaW5rIG9uIHRoZSBCJkMgd2ViIHNpdGUgLi4uCgpZ b3Ugc2hvdWxkIGJlIGFibGUgdG8gb2htIG91dCB0aGUgIkkiIHRlcm1pbmFsIC4uLgoKTm90IGEg dmVyeSBjb21wbGljYXRlZCBkZXZpY2UgLi4uIAoKQWxsIHRoZSBiZXN0CgpKYW4KCk9uIEZlYiAx NSwgMjAxNiwgYXQgMTQ6MzgsIEJpbGwgU2V0dGxlIDxiaWxsc2V0dGxlQGJlbGxzb3V0aC5uZXQ+ IHdyb3RlOgoKSSBoYXZlIHRoZSBzYW1lIG9uZS4gSSBjYWxsZWQgdG8gZ2V0IGNvbmZpcm1hdGlv biBvbiB0aGUgaW50ZXJuYWwgd2lyaW5nIG9mIHRoZSAiSSIgdGVybWluYWwgdGhhdCBpcyB0byBi ZSB1c2VkIGZvciBhbiBhbm51bmNpYXRvciBvdXRwdXQgYmVjYXVzZSBJIHdhbnRlZCB0byBrbm93 IGV4YWN0bHkgaG93IGl0IHdvcmtlZC4gIFRhbGtlZCB0byB0aGUgdG9wIHR3byBndXlzIHRoZXJl LiAgTmVpdGhlciBjb3VsZCB0ZWxsIG1lIGhvdyBpdCB3b3JrZWQgbm9yIGNvdWxkIHRoZXkgc3Vw cGx5IGEgc2NoZW1hdGljIG9mIHRoZSBpbnRlcm5hbHMuCgoKRnJvbTogIkdyZWVuYmFja3MsIFVu THRkLiIgPE40WlFAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ+ClRvOiBBZXJvZWxlY3RyaWMgPGFlcm9lbGVjdHJpYy1s aXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+IApTZW50OiBNb25kYXksIEZlYnJ1YXJ5IDE1LCAyMDE2IDg6MzUg QU0KU3ViamVjdDogQWVyb0VsZWN0cmljLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBTNzAyLTEgSW50ZXJtaXR0ZW50IER1 dHkgU3RhcnRlciBDb250YWN0b3IuLi5wZWRpZ3JlZSB1bmtub3duCgotLT4gQWVyb0VsZWN0cmlj LUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0ZWQgYnk6ICJHcmVlbmJhY2tzLCBVbkx0ZC4iIDxONFpRQHZlcml6 b24ubmV0PgoKSSBwdXJjaGFzZWQgdGhpcyBzdGFydGVyIGNvbnRyYWN0b3IgcmVjZW50bHkgYW5k IEkgd2FzIHN1cnByaXNlZCB0byAKc2VlIHRoYXQgdGhlcmUgd2FzIG5vIGlkZW50aWZpYWJsZSBt YW51ZmFjdHVyZXIgYW5kIGNvdW50cnkgb2Ygb3JpZ2luIG1hcmtpbmdzIG9uIHRoaXMgcGFydC4K QiZDIGRlY2xpbmVkIChyZWZ1c2VkKSB0byBnaXZlIG1lIHRoaXMgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gYW5kIHN1 Z2dlc3RlZCB0aGF0IGlmIEkgd2VyZSBkaXNzYXRpc2ZpZWQsCkkgc2hvdWxkIHJldHVybiB0aGUg aXRlbS4uaHRuYnNwOyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLU1hdHQgRHJhbGxlLHRyaWJ1dGlvbiIgdGFy Z2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPgoKCg= ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: John Tipton I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree unknown' ) but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on any (eg: Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor is closed, t herefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! Regards John Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- > On 15 Feb 2016, at 07:16 pm, Bill Settle wrote: > > Yes, I have seen the PDF. And yes, you would think you could ohm out the t erminals. And yes again, I agree, it does not look like a very complicated d evice. However, there is no continuity between the "I" terminal and any oth er terminal. Hence my inquiry to them. I am still wiring so I have not ene rgized the contactor and checked it in real world operation yet. My questio ning to them was whether the "I" terminal is suppose to go positive (+12vdc) on contact closure and have continuity with the "M" terminal or, have conti nuity through the mounting base and thus go negative (-12vdc) on closure. I t would make a difference on the annunciator wiring. My assumption tells me it would go positive but I didn't want to assume anything. I called and ta lked to both of them and neither could tell me how it worked nor could they p rovide a schematic. > > > From: Jan > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown > > I assume you have seen the PDF that explain how to wire up the unit ? Link on the B&C web site ... > > You should be able to ohm out the "I" terminal ... > > Not a very complicated device ... > > All the best > > Jan > >> On Feb 15, 2016, at 14:38, Bill Settle wrote: >> >> I have the same one. I called to get confirmation on the internal wiring o f the "I" terminal that is to be used for an annunciator output because I wa nted to know exactly how it worked. Talked to the top two guys there. Neit her could tell me how it worked nor could they supply a schematic of the int ernals. >> >> >> From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." >> To: Aeroelectric >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:35 AM >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contacto r...pedigree unknown >> on.net> >> >> I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to >> see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin mar kings on this part. >> B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, >> I should return the item..htnbsp; -Matt Dralle,tribution" target="_blank"> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:27 AM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown I was talking to the boss... From: Charlie England To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:32 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown I'd call back & ask for the next person up the food chain until you get to the boss, if necessary. That's nonsense, coming from a specialty vendor lik e B&C. -------- Original message --------From: Bill Settle Date:02/15/2016 1:16 PM (GMT-06:00) To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric- List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown Yes, I have seen the PDF.=C2- And yes, you would think you could ohm out the terminals.=C2- And yes again, I agree, it does not look like a very c omplicated device.=C2- However, there is no continuity between the "I" te rminal and any other terminal.=C2- Hence my inquiry to them.=C2- I am s till wiring so I have not energized the contactor and checked it in real wo rld operation yet.=C2- My questioning to them was whether the "I" termina l is suppose to go positive (+12vdc) on contact closure and have continuity with the "M" terminal or, have continuity through the mounting base and th us go negative (-12vdc) on closure.=C2- It would make a difference on the annunciator wiring.=C2- My assumption tells me it would go positive but I didn't want to assume anything.=C2- I called and talked to both of them and neither could tell me how it worked nor could they provide a schematic .=C2- From: Jan To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:42 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown I assume you have seen the PDF that explain how to wire up the unit ? Link on the B&C web site ... You should be able to ohm out the "I" terminal ... Not a very complicated device ...=C2- All the best Jan On Feb 15, 2016, at 14:38, Bill Settle wrote: I have the same one. I called to get confirmation on the internal wiring of the "I" terminal that is to be used for an annunciator output because I wa nted to know exactly how it worked.=C2- Talked to the top two guys there. =C2- Neither could tell me how it worked nor could they supply a schemati c of the internals. From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." To: Aeroelectric Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:35 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor ...pedigree unknown .net> I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of origin marki ngs on this part. B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested that if I were dissatisfied, I should return the item..htnbsp; =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle,tribution" target="_blank"> ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:17 PM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't mentioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we would wind up ru nning off into the ditch on this one.=C2- Here is the link to the contact or and which also has a link to the wiring diagram.=C2- Feel free to revi ew the diagram and show me where it says the "I" terminal goes positive on contact closure.=C2- If you can, then I stand corrected.http://www.bandc. aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx From: John Tipton To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree unknown ') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on any (eg : Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor is clos ed, therefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! Regards John Sent from my iPad =C2- =C2- =C2-----x--O--x---- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: John Tipton Connect 'B' terminal to battery Connect 'M' terminal to starter Connect 'S' terminal to your starter button (+V) --- 'I' terminal can drive (by definition +V) a starter engaged light See: http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf Explains the starter on light John Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- > On 15 Feb 2016, at 08:06 pm, Bill Settle wrote: > > O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't mentione d this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we would wind up ru nning off into the ditch on this one. Here is the link to the contactor and which also has a link to the wiring diagram. Feel free to review the diagr am and show me where it says the "I" terminal goes positive on contact closu re. If you can, then I stand corrected. > http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx > > > > > From: John Tipton > To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown > > I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree unknow n') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on any (eg : Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor is close d, therefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! > > Regards > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > ----x--O--x---- > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:08 PM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown John, Thank you for this.=C2- I had not seen it.=C2- I do see it is "driven" by +12 on the diagram you sent. Thanks again. From: John Tipton To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 3:32 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown Connect 'B' terminal to batteryConnect 'M' terminal to starterConnect 'S' t erminal to your starter button (+V)---'I' terminal can drive (by definition See:=C2-http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf Explains the starter on light John Sent from my iPad =C2- =C2- =C2-----x--O--x---- On 15 Feb 2016, at 08:06 pm, Bill Settle wrote: O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't mentioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we would wind up ru nning off into the ditch on this one.=C2- Here is the link to the contact or and which also has a link to the wiring diagram.=C2- Feel free to revi ew the diagram and show me where it says the "I" terminal goes positive on contact closure.=C2- If you can, then I stand corrected.http://www.bandc. aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx From: John Tipton To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree unknown ') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on any (eg : Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor is clos ed, therefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! Regards John Sent from my iPad =C2- =C2- =C2-----x--O--x---- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Charlie England John, Your statement 'by definition +V' is not the only definition. While I see your point, it's not uncommon to 'drive' a load by grounding it; perhaps a misuse of the term, but it happens, which is why the question had to be asked. A wiring diagram defines the terms. The sales persons at B&C could have easily provided that drawing to him, instead of doing the Bubba 'Duh' routine. A specialty shop like B&C should have employees trained well enough to answer such a simple question about their products. And it shouldn't be that difficult to add a hyperlink to that wiring diagram to the product web page, either. Why make a customer guess/experiment (with multi-hundred amps) when the info is, or should be, at their fingertips? You can get that kind of service at your local auto parts store. :-) I don't mean to beat up on them too much, but this issue wouldn't have been an issue if the employees had done their jobs. Charlie On 2/15/2016 2:32 PM, John Tipton wrote: > Connect 'B' terminal to battery > Connect 'M' terminal to starter > Connect 'S' terminal to your starter button (+V) > --- > 'I' terminal can drive (by definition +V) a starter engaged light > > See: http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf > > Explains the starter on light > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > ----x--O--x---- > > On 15 Feb 2016, at 08:06 pm, Bill Settle > wrote: > >> O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't >> mentioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we >> would wind up running off into the ditch on this one. Here is the >> link to the contactor and which also has a link to the wiring >> diagram. Feel free to review the diagram and show me where it says >> the "I" terminal goes positive on contact closure. If you can, then >> I stand corrected. >> http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* John Tipton > > >> *To:* "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> " >> > > >> *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM >> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty >> Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown >> >> I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree >> unknown') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is >> shown on any (eg: Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when >> the contactor is closed, therefore can power a light which says >> 'starter engaged' !!! >> >> Regards >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ----x--O--x---- >> >> ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:15 PM PST US From: John B Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown Problem solved! I don't recall ever flying a piston aircraft that had a "starter working" li ght. Perhaps it is not a bad idea! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Bill Settle wrote: > > John, > > Thank you for this. I had not seen it. I do see it is "driven" by +12 on the diagram you sent. > > Thanks again. > > > From: John Tipton > To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Conta ctor...pedigree unknown > > Connect 'B' terminal to battery > Connect 'M' terminal to starter > Connect 'S' terminal to your starter button (+V) > --- > 'I' terminal can drive (by definition +V) a starter engaged light > > See: http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf > > Explains the starter on light > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > ----x--O--x---- > >> On 15 Feb 2016, at 08:06 pm, Bill Settle wrote : >> >> O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't mention ed this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we would wind up r unning off into the ditch on this one. Here is the link to the contactor an d which also has a link to the wiring diagram. Feel free to review the diag ram and show me where it says the "I" terminal goes positive on contact clos ure. If you can, then I stand corrected. >> http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx >> >> >> >> >> From: John Tipton >> To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Cont actor...pedigree unknown >> >> I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree unkno wn') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on any (e g: Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor is clos ed, therefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! >> >> Regards >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ----x--O--x---- > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:54 PM PST US From: "franz@lastfrontierheli.com" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown Hi All, I have it in my RV7 , finished in 2007 and it is a great reminder that the starter has disengaged after initial start up Cheers Franz Fux Director of Operations ---------------------------------- LAST FRONTIER Heliskiing =93 Go Beyond. Web: lastfrontierheli.com *New* 2016 Video Released | View=C2-'=BA ----------------------------------------------- Head Office: PO Box 1237, Vernon, BC V1T 6N6, CANADA Tel: 250 558 7980 | Fax: 250 558 7981 Reservations: 1-888-655-5566 Facebook | Google + | Twitter | YouTube | Instagram | LinkedIn Why LAST FRONTIER Heliskiing? =97=8E the largest single heliskiing area on the planet - over 9500 square km =97=8E 100% small group heliskiing =97=8E 3 groups of just 5 guests per helicopter =97=8E located in northern British Columbia on the border with Alaska =97=8E massive snowfalls = epic conditions =97=8E unrivalled terrain - that means world class tree skiing and huge alpine terrain =97=8E 4, 5 and 7 day tours offering you the ultimate in flexibility > On Feb 15, 2016, at 1:53 PM, John B wrote: > > Problem solved! > I don't recall ever flying a piston aircraft that had a "starter working" light. Perhaps it is not a bad idea! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Bill Settle > wrote: > >> John, >> >> Thank you for this. I had not seen it. I do see it is "driven" by +12 on the diagram you sent. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> >> From: John Tipton > >> To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com " > >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 3:32 PM >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown >> >> Connect 'B' terminal to battery >> Connect 'M' terminal to starter >> Connect 'S' terminal to your starter button (+V) >> --- >> 'I' terminal can drive (by definition +V) a starter engaged light >> >> See: http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf >> >> Explains the starter on light >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ----x--O--x---- >> >> On 15 Feb 2016, at 08:06 pm, Bill Settle > wrote: >> >>> O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't mentioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we would wind up running off into the ditch on this one. Here is the link to the contactor and which also has a link to the wiring diagram. Feel free to review the diagram and show me where it says the "I" terminal goes positive on contact closure. If you can, then I stand corrected. >>> http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: John Tipton > >>> To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com " > >>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown >>> >>> I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree unknown') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on any (eg: Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor is closed, therefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> ----x--O--x---- >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:25 PM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown It would certainly alert you if the starter was "stuck" in run mode after t he engine started due to the Contactor frozen in the start position. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: John B To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 1:53 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Cont actor...pedigree unknown Problem solved! I don't recall ever flying a piston aircraft that had a "starter working" light. Perhaps it is not a bad idea! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Bill Settle wrote : John, Thank you for this. I had not seen it. I do see it is "driven" by +12 on the diagram you sent. Thanks again. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: John Tipton To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 3:32 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Co ntactor...pedigree unknown Connect 'B' terminal to battery Connect 'M' terminal to starter Connect 'S' terminal to your starter button (+V) --- 'I' terminal can drive (by definition +V) a starter engaged light See: http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf Explains the starter on light John Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- On 15 Feb 2016, at 08:06 pm, Bill Settle wro te: O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't men tioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we would wind up running off into the ditch on this one. Here is the link to the contac tor and which also has a link to the wiring diagram. Feel free to review t he diagram and show me where it says the "I" terminal goes positive on cont act closure. If you can, then I stand corrected. http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Tipton To: "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree u nknown') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on a ny (eg: Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor i s closed, therefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! Regards John Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Peter Pengilly Before EASA the UK had a requirement for every piston aeroplane with an electric starter & contactor to have a 'starter engaged' light... Peter On 15 Feb 2016 22:25, "John B" wrote: > Problem solved! > I don't recall ever flying a piston aircraft that had a "starter working" > light. Perhaps it is not a bad idea! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Bill Settle wrote: > > John, > > Thank you for this. I had not seen it. I do see it is "driven" by +12 on > the diagram you sent. > > Thanks again. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Tipton > *To:* "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2016 3:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter > Contactor...pedigree unknown > > Connect 'B' terminal to battery > Connect 'M' terminal to starter > Connect 'S' terminal to your starter button (+V) > --- > 'I' terminal can drive (by definition +V) a starter engaged light > > See: http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf > > Explains the starter on light > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > ----x--O--x---- > > On 15 Feb 2016, at 08:06 pm, Bill Settle wrote: > > O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't > mentioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. I knew we would > wind up running off into the ditch on this one. Here is the link to the > contactor and which also has a link to the wiring diagram. Feel free to > review the diagram and show me where it says the "I" terminal goes positive > on contact closure. If you can, then I stand corrected. > http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Tipton > *To:* "aeroelectric-list@matronics.com" > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2016 2:40 PM > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter > Contactor...pedigree unknown > > I'm not sure what is being asked here (ie: subject line - 'pedigree > unknown') but we are now talking about the "I" terminal, which is shown on > any (eg: Z series or B&C) wiring diagram goes live (+v) when the contactor > is closed, therefore can power a light which says 'starter engaged' !!! > > Regards > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > ----x--O--x---- > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:56 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor At 01:32 PM 2/15/2016, you wrote: >I'd call back & ask for the next person up the food chain until you >get to the boss, if necessary. That's nonsense, coming from a >specialty vendor like B&C. > >-------- Original message -------- >From: Bill Settle >Date:02/15/2016 1:16 PM (GMT-06:00) >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter >Contactor...pedigree unknown > >Yes, I have seen the PDF. And yes, you would think you could ohm >out the terminals. And yes again, I agree, it does not look like a >very complicated device. However, there is no continuity between >the "I" terminal and any other terminal. Hence my inquiry to >them. I am still wiring so I have not energized the contactor and >checked it in real world operation yet. My questioning to them was >whether the "I" terminal is suppose to go positive (+12vdc) on >contact closure and have continuity with the "M" terminal or, have >continuity through the mounting base and thus go negative (-12vdc) >on closure. It would make a difference on the annunciator >wiring. My assumption tells me it would go positive but I didn't >want to assume anything. I called and talked to both of them and >neither could tell me how it worked nor could they provide a schematic. Here is the schematic for that part . . . Emacs! This is the wiring data Emacs! >><N4ZQ@verizon.net> >> >>I purchased this starter contractor recently and I was surprised to >>see that there was no identifiable manufacturer and country of >>origin markings on this part. >>B&C declined (refused) to give me this information and suggested >>that if I were dissatisfied, >>I should return the item. I can't ever recall having seen country of origin on any of the commercial off-the-shelf contactors we've sold over the years . . . Doesn't mean it has NEVER been there . . . but I'm aware of no instances where purchasers of this part have found them to be of poor value. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:50 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown At 02:06 PM 2/15/2016, you wrote: >O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't >mentioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. How do you get a question answered if you don't ask???? > I knew we would wind up running off into the ditch on this > one. Here is the link to the contactor and which also has a link > to the wiring diagram. Feel free to review the diagram and show me > where it says the "I" terminal goes positive on contact > closure. If you can, then I stand corrected. >http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx > > Running into a ditch??? This forum has been active first on Compuserve and later on Matronics for over 30 years. This contactor and its brothers have been discussed at length and in detail many times over those years and the photo I posted previously has been on my website for at least 20 years. I've never called out use of the "I" terminal on the z-figures because there never seemed to be much interest in it beyond the occasional discussion about a starter- engaged light . . . which hasn't been a really big thing. I think I've got one schematic that suggests using the "I" terminal to drive the built-in solenoid/ contactor on a PM starter . . . there was a lot more discussion about that. In any case, it's a generic automotive part with a rich service history of satisfactory performance on airplanes. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: S702-1 Intermittent Duty Starter Contactor...pedigree unknown From: Lyle Peterson Robert, Don't take offense to the "running off in to the ditch" comment. It happens all too often in forums of all kinds when someone asks a question about the whizifier on their car. Someone else tries to answer the first poster's question but then mentions in the same thread that they can't find bulbs to fit the dash instruments. The entire thread goes on to discuss bulbs and the whizifier gets lost in the reeds in the ditch. It is nothing personal. People will go on forever about things they know something about all the while ignoring the question they don't understand. Such may be the case with my response. Lyle On 2/15/2016 11:26 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > At 02:06 PM 2/15/2016, you wrote: >> O.K., this is why I am hesitant on posting here and why I haven't >> mentioned this in the months since I ran into this issue. > > How do you get a question answered if you don't > ask???? > >> I knew we would wind up running off into the ditch on this one. >> Here is the link to the contactor and which also has a link to the >> wiring diagram. Feel free to review the diagram and show me where it >> says the "I" terminal goes positive on contact closure. If you can, >> then I stand corrected. >> http://www.bandc.aero/intermittentdutystartercontactor.aspx >> >> >> > > Running into a ditch??? This forum has been active first > on Compuserve and later on Matronics for over 30 years. > This contactor and its brothers have been discussed at > length and in detail many times over those years and the > photo I posted previously has been on my website for > at least 20 years. > > I've never called out use of the "I" terminal on the > z-figures because there never seemed to be much interest > in it beyond the occasional discussion about a starter- > engaged light . . . which hasn't been a really big > thing. I think I've got one schematic that suggests > using the "I" terminal to drive the built-in solenoid/ > contactor on a PM starter . . . there was a lot more > discussion about that. > > In any case, it's a generic automotive part with > a rich service history of satisfactory performance > on airplanes. > > Bob . . . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.