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1. 05:35 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Art Zemon)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Bill Watson)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Ken Ryan)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Robert Reed)
5. 08:13 PM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Charlie England)
6. 08:43 PM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 08:47 PM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Wiring Questions |
Bob,
I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice. I
don't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop while I
was in flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed voltage
regulator. Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened. As you can
imagine, resetting the CB didn't help in the second failure so a fuse would
have been fine there, too. From what I have read, and from my personal
experience, I decided to put fuses in my plane.
And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires,
install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying
about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my soldering
skills).
Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering iron.
The thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's Billy club.
:-)
Cheers,
-- Art Z.
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Wiring Questions |
FWIW, I too took the fuse direction in my RV10. However I do have 4 CBs
- 2 as called for by my B&C regulators, 1 for the AP as an emergency
disconnect and 1 for my flaps (unnecessary). I have 30+ fuses and never
looked back.
On 3/9/2016 8:32 AM, Art Zemon wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice.
> I don't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop
> while I was in flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed
> voltage regulator. Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened.
> As you can imagine, resetting the CB didn't help in the second failure
> so a fuse would have been fine there, too. From what I have read, and
> from my personal experience, I decided to put fuses in my plane.
>
> And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires,
> install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying
> about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my
> soldering skills).
>
> Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering
> iron. The thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's
> Billy club. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ <http://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/>
>
> /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself,
> what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Wiring Questions |
Art, what will you be soldering? I think it is the consensus of this list
that for most connectors it's better to just crimp, not solder.
>
> And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires,
> install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying
> about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my soldering
> skills).
>
> Cheers,
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ <http://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/>
>
> *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
> am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
>
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Wiring Questions |
Art,
You have just gone and opened up a whole new can of worms considering that
most, if not all, of the advice I have seen on this forum recommends CRIMPI
NG over soldering in almost all cases.
Bob
From: Art Zemon <art@zemon.name>
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions
Bob,
I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice. I don
't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop while I was i
n flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed voltage regulator
. Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened. As you can imagine, r
esetting the CB didn't help in the second failure so a fuse would have been
fine there, too. From what I have read, and from my personal experience, I
decided to put fuses in my plane.
And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires, instal
l fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying about prev
enting the more likely failures (like brushing up on my soldering skills).
Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering iron. Th
e thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's Billy club. :-)
Cheers,
=C2- =C2- -- Art Z.
--
http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a
m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Wiring Questions |
Crimping is faster, and if using subD connectors, allows mods and
correcting mistakes in wiring. But it's a lot more expensive. If you
have the skills to solder, it will work just as well as crimping. A good
solder joint is better than a bad crimp, and bad crimps can happen, just
like soldering. And soldered in-line splices are a lot more compact than
a butt splice.
Charlie
On 3/9/2016 9:06 AM, Robert Reed wrote:
> Art,
>
> You have just gone and opened up a whole new can of worms considering
> that most, if not all, of the advice I have seen on this forum
> recommends CRIMPING over soldering in almost all cases.
>
> Bob
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Art Zemon <art@zemon.name>
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 9, 2016 7:32 AM
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions
>
> Bob,
>
> I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice.
> I don't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop
> while I was in flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed
> voltage regulator. Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened.
> As you can imagine, resetting the CB didn't help in the second failure
> so a fuse would have been fine there, too. From what I have read, and
> from my personal experience, I decided to put fuses in my plane.
>
> And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires,
> install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying
> about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my
> soldering skills).
>
> Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering
> iron. The thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's
> Billy club. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ <http://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/>
>
> /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself,
> what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Wiring Questions |
At 10:13 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:
>Crimping is faster, and if using subD connectors, allows mods and
>correcting mistakes in wiring. But it's a lot more expensive. If you
>have the skills to solder, it will work just as well as crimping. A
>good solder joint is better than a bad crimp, and bad crimps can
>happen, just like soldering. And soldered in-line splices are a lot
>more compact than a butt splice.
>
>Charlie
Exactly. We spend quite a bit of time in my
weekend seminars talking about wire joining
integrity. From a purely functional perspective,
crimping and soldering are interchangeable
Either one done correctly is a stand-alone
process . . . in years past, some builders
confessed to having soldering their terminals
after crimping!
I own perhaps a dozen different soldering
tools . . . and a couple dozen crimp tools
with no inhibitions to the use of either
depending more on conveniences than on
the relative 'goodness' of the outcome.
I needed to built a custom inclosure for
a project a couple days ago. 10 minutes
at the shear and 20 minutes on with the
soldering iron produced an exactly right
size box from 1/16" copper-clad.
I could not have 'crimped' those sheets
together. Its useful to be competent and
comfortable with both technologies . . .
it can only broaden your options.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Wiring Questions |
At 10:13 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:
>Crimping is faster, and if using subD connectors, allows mods and
>correcting mistakes in wiring. But it's a lot more expensive. If you
>have the skills to solder, it will work just as well as crimping. A
>good solder joint is better than a bad crimp, and bad crimps can
>happen, just like soldering. And soldered in-line splices are a lot
>more compact than a butt splice.
>
>Charlie
>
>On 3/9/2016 9:06 AM, Robert Reed wrote:
>>Art,
>>
>>You have just gone and opened up a whole new can of worms
>>considering that most, if not all, of the advice I have seen on
>>this forum recommends CRIMPING over soldering in almost all cases.
I don't know that this is true. Certainly, crimping
is faster, lower risk for damage to some components
and takes less skill to get repeatable joints. At
the same time, not everyone is going to invest in
some of the more expensive crimp tools just to build
one airplane.
One set of joints I ALWAYS solder it to put terminals
on fat wires
http://tinyurl.com/gm8lqxo
I seldom need to do this and just never found it
attractive to go buy the hydraulic tool and matching
die sets. I bought a hydraulic tool from Harbor
Freight a few years ago . . . worked good . . .
was a fine "masher". Problem was that the dies
provided did not always produce the void-free/
gas-tight joint on the combinations of wires and
terminals in my inventory. Sold the hydraulic
tool on eBay.
Bob . . .
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