---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/09/16: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Art Zemon) 2. 07:07 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Bill Watson) 3. 07:08 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Ken Ryan) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Robert Reed) 5. 08:13 PM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Charlie England) 6. 08:43 PM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 08:47 PM - Re: Newbie Wiring Questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions From: Art Zemon Bob, I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice. I don't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop while I was in flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed voltage regulator. Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened. As you can imagine, resetting the CB didn't help in the second failure so a fuse would have been fine there, too. From what I have read, and from my personal experience, I decided to put fuses in my plane. And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires, install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my soldering skills). Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering iron. The thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's Billy club. :-) Cheers, -- Art Z. -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions From: Bill Watson FWIW, I too took the fuse direction in my RV10. However I do have 4 CBs - 2 as called for by my B&C regulators, 1 for the AP as an emergency disconnect and 1 for my flaps (unnecessary). I have 30+ fuses and never looked back. On 3/9/2016 8:32 AM, Art Zemon wrote: > Bob, > > I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice. > I don't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop > while I was in flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed > voltage regulator. Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened. > As you can imagine, resetting the CB didn't help in the second failure > so a fuse would have been fine there, too. From what I have read, and > from my personal experience, I decided to put fuses in my plane. > > And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires, > install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying > about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my > soldering skills). > > Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering > iron. The thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's > Billy club. :-) > > Cheers, > -- Art Z. > > -- > http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, > what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:01 AM PST US From: Ken Ryan Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions Art, what will you be soldering? I think it is the consensus of this list that for most connectors it's better to just crimp, not solder. > > And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires, > install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying > about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my soldering > skills). > > Cheers, > -- Art Z. > > -- > http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what > am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:50 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions Art, You have just gone and opened up a whole new can of worms considering that most, if not all, of the advice I have seen on this forum recommends CRIMPI NG over soldering in almost all cases. Bob From: Art Zemon To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 7:32 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions Bob, I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice. I don 't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop while I was i n flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed voltage regulator . Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened. As you can imagine, r esetting the CB didn't help in the second failure so a fuse would have been fine there, too. From what I have read, and from my personal experience, I decided to put fuses in my plane. And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires, instal l fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying about prev enting the more likely failures (like brushing up on my soldering skills). Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering iron. Th e thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's Billy club. :-) Cheers, =C2- =C2- -- Art Z. -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions From: Charlie England Crimping is faster, and if using subD connectors, allows mods and correcting mistakes in wiring. But it's a lot more expensive. If you have the skills to solder, it will work just as well as crimping. A good solder joint is better than a bad crimp, and bad crimps can happen, just like soldering. And soldered in-line splices are a lot more compact than a butt splice. Charlie On 3/9/2016 9:06 AM, Robert Reed wrote: > Art, > > You have just gone and opened up a whole new can of worms considering > that most, if not all, of the advice I have seen on this forum > recommends CRIMPING over soldering in almost all cases. > > Bob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Art Zemon > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 9, 2016 7:32 AM > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions > > Bob, > > I agree with you completely on the fuses vs. circuit breakers choice. > I don't have as much experience as you but I have had two CB's pop > while I was in flight. One was a CB failure and the other was a failed > voltage regulator. Had I had fuses, the first would not have happened. > As you can imagine, resetting the CB didn't help in the second failure > so a fuse would have been fine there, too. From what I have read, and > from my personal experience, I decided to put fuses in my plane. > > And given what you and others have written, I will run ground wires, > install fuses that are sized for the wires, and spend my time worrying > about preventing the more likely failures (like brushing up on my > soldering skills). > > Gee... I wonder if I can still find my step-father's old soldering > iron. The thing was large enough to almost be confused with a cop's > Billy club. :-) > > Cheers, > -- Art Z. > > -- > http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, > what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/ > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:42 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions At 10:13 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote: >Crimping is faster, and if using subD connectors, allows mods and >correcting mistakes in wiring. But it's a lot more expensive. If you >have the skills to solder, it will work just as well as crimping. A >good solder joint is better than a bad crimp, and bad crimps can >happen, just like soldering. And soldered in-line splices are a lot >more compact than a butt splice. > >Charlie Exactly. We spend quite a bit of time in my weekend seminars talking about wire joining integrity. From a purely functional perspective, crimping and soldering are interchangeable Either one done correctly is a stand-alone process . . . in years past, some builders confessed to having soldering their terminals after crimping! I own perhaps a dozen different soldering tools . . . and a couple dozen crimp tools with no inhibitions to the use of either depending more on conveniences than on the relative 'goodness' of the outcome. I needed to built a custom inclosure for a project a couple days ago. 10 minutes at the shear and 20 minutes on with the soldering iron produced an exactly right size box from 1/16" copper-clad. I could not have 'crimped' those sheets together. Its useful to be competent and comfortable with both technologies . . . it can only broaden your options. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:55 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Newbie Wiring Questions At 10:13 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote: >Crimping is faster, and if using subD connectors, allows mods and >correcting mistakes in wiring. But it's a lot more expensive. If you >have the skills to solder, it will work just as well as crimping. A >good solder joint is better than a bad crimp, and bad crimps can >happen, just like soldering. And soldered in-line splices are a lot >more compact than a butt splice. > >Charlie > >On 3/9/2016 9:06 AM, Robert Reed wrote: >>Art, >> >>You have just gone and opened up a whole new can of worms >>considering that most, if not all, of the advice I have seen on >>this forum recommends CRIMPING over soldering in almost all cases. I don't know that this is true. Certainly, crimping is faster, lower risk for damage to some components and takes less skill to get repeatable joints. At the same time, not everyone is going to invest in some of the more expensive crimp tools just to build one airplane. One set of joints I ALWAYS solder it to put terminals on fat wires http://tinyurl.com/gm8lqxo I seldom need to do this and just never found it attractive to go buy the hydraulic tool and matching die sets. I bought a hydraulic tool from Harbor Freight a few years ago . . . worked good . . . was a fine "masher". Problem was that the dies provided did not always produce the void-free/ gas-tight joint on the combinations of wires and terminals in my inventory. Sold the hydraulic tool on eBay. 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