---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/04/16: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:24 AM - Charlotte, NC Weekend Seminar May 21-22 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 10:55 AM - pins and wire and tools (Larry Mac Donald) 3. 10:56 AM - pins and wire and tools (Larry Mac Donald) 4. 11:15 AM - Re: pins and wire and tools (Ron Raby) 5. 11:55 AM - Re: pins and wire and tools (Larry Mac Donald) 6. 03:24 PM - alternator (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 7. 05:12 PM - Re: alternator (Jeff Luckey) 8. 07:38 PM - Re: alternator (user9253) 9. 08:58 PM - Re: Charlotte, NC Weekend Seminar May 21-22 (ashleysc@broadstripe.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:03 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Charlotte, NC Weekend Seminar May 21-22 Lister Ken Larson has offered the hospitality of EAA Chapter 309 to host an AeroElectric Connection weekend seminar http://tinyurl.com/z5hdcq2 on KIPJ http://tinyurl.com/h67yba9 May 21 and 22. Dr. Dee and I are coming in a day early so that we can spend more time with our friends in NC. There will probably be a Friday evening meet-n-greet on Lake Norman Airpark http://tinyurl.com/gla9ma5 I've opened a sign=up portal on the website at http://aeroelectric.com We need ~20 sign-ups by May 5 so we can buy non-refundable airline tickets at reasonable prices. It's been awhile since we've been out in the field . . . looking forward to meeting many of our readers and friends. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:40 AM PST US From: Larry Mac Donald Subject: AeroElectric-List: pins and wire and tools Bob, It seems as if I keep hitting a brick wall at every step I try. I met a complete stranger the other day and showed him the "Winchester c onnector" and he asked "Is that an amp ?". He then len't me his removal tool,the b lack one with the plunger, and I came home and removed all of the pins and sockets I had been given . Turns out they were all machine crimped so it's unlikly that I will be able to get them apar t so as to reuse them. That leaves me in need of 60 pins and 40 sockets . I don't know what siz e these are. And 1500 ft. of 22 Ga. stranded wire. And a crimping tool. I have a Thom as & Betts WT100M sta-kon tool. That might work but I'm not sure. Do you sell any of these things ? Larry Thanks Bob, If I can find the connectors I will certainly take you up on that offer. Larry On Mar 11, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: Bob, There are a few things I could do but, wow, what a headache. The link trainer has two female plug sockets mounted within a plate on t he side of the machine. To start changing connectors I would have to make a new mounting plate a nd desolder 40 22 ga. wires then solder them back into the new connectors. I would have to do the sa me to the 20 wires that are part of the flight recorder. Yes, these are pretty old connectors. They were used on the trainer when they were built in 72. Larry I wouldn't use solder connectors for so many wires. I've probably got what you need in crimped housings and pins to do the job. Got a tool I could loan you too. Bob . . . ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. 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Turns out they were all machine crimped so it's unlikly that I will be able to get them apar t so as to reuse them. That leaves me in need of 60 pins and 40 sockets . I don't know what siz e these are. And 1500 ft. of 22 Ga. stranded wire. And a crimping tool. I have a Thom as & Betts WT100M sta-kon tool. That might work but I'm not sure. Do you sell any of these things ? Larry Thanks Bob, If I can find the connectors I will certainly take you up on that offer. Larry On Mar 11, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: Bob, There are a few things I could do but, wow, what a headache. The link trainer has two female plug sockets mounted within a plate on t he side of the machine. To start changing connectors I would have to make a new mounting plate a nd desolder 40 22 ga. wires then solder them back into the new connectors. I would have to do the sa me to the 20 wires that are part of the flight recorder. Yes, these are pretty old connectors. They were used on the trainer when they were built in 72. Larry I wouldn't use solder connectors for so many wires. I've probably got what you need in crimped housings and pins to do the job. Got a tool I could loan you too. Bob . . . ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:04 AM PST US From: "Ron Raby" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: pins and wire and tools Larry, Bob I use Winchester connectors at my work. If you post a couple of pictures. I may have what you are looking for. The part # I have is 1020p and 1020s. Link to picture of the pin: http://ecommerce.cdmelectronics.com/winchester-electronics/100-1020P Regards Ron Raby From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Mac Donald Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:53 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: pins and wire and tools Bob, It seems as if I keep hitting a brick wall at every step I try. I met a complete stranger the other day and showed him the "Winchester connector" and he asked "Is that an amp ?". He then len't me his removal tool,the black one with the plunger, and I came home and removed all of the pins and sockets I had been given. Turns out they were all machine crimped so it's unlikly that I will be able to get them apart so as to reuse them. That leaves me in need of 60 pins and 40 sockets . I don't know what size these are. And 1500 ft. of 22 Ga. stranded wire. And a crimping tool. I have a Thomas & Betts WT100M sta-kon tool. That might work but I'm not sure. Do you sell any of these things ? Larry Thanks Bob, If I can find the connectors I will certainly take you up on that offer. Larry On Mar 11, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: Bob, There are a few things I could do but, wow, what a headache. The link trainer has two female plug sockets mounted within a plate on the side of the machine. To start changing connectors I would have to make a new mounting plate and desolder 40 22 ga. wires then solder them back into the new connectors. I would have to do the same to the 20 wires that are part of the flight recorder. Yes, these are pretty old connectors. They were used on the trainer when they were built in 72. Larry I wouldn't use solder connectors for so many wires. I've probably got what you need in crimped housings and pins to do the job. Got a tool I could loan you too. Bob . . . ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:00 AM PST US From: Larry Mac Donald Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: pins and wire and tools On Apr 4, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ron Raby wrote: Ron, My pins have barbs on them in order to keep them locked into the plug. Larry > Larry, Bob > > I use Winchester connectors at my work. If you post a couple of pictur es. I may have what you are looking for. The part # I have is 1020p and 1020s. > > Link to picture of the pin: > http://ecommerce.cdmelectronics.com/winchester-electronics/100-1020P > > Regards > > Ron Raby ____________________________________________________________ Wall Street Daily Peter Schiff: China Just Armed its Financial Missile http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5702b7d5bcb0137d42728st01vuc ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:22 PM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: AeroElectric-List: alternator I have a two fold problem or maybe just 2 separate problems or maybe the second item is not a problem at all. Went to take a friend for a ride Sat. and the engine started fine. Looked at the instruments with the Alternator switch on and the Dynon read zero voltage and said the internal ( Dynon ) battery was going to shut down shortly. Alternator is Nippon Denso 40 amp ( 3) wire. Could the master solenoid fail after start so that the alternator could not see the voltage. Switch was still on. I cycled the Alt switch several times but did not cycle the master. We pulled the plane back in the hangar and checked all connections and turned the master on. It read battery voltage at 13.6 v. I have never had this problem before. Pulled it back out and it started right up and everything worked as it should. So I turned off the master with the alt. switch still on and the voltage started up 15, 16, 17 and as I turned the master back on it dropped immediately to 13.6 and then went to charging at 14.4 to 14.6 and not running away. All power is connected downstream of the master solenoid. I am thinking the residual voltage in the alternator went back to the post on the master and fed thru the Alt on switch on the positive buss and back to the Alternator and that started a runaway. I did not think to turn the Alt switch off but I think that would have stopped it as well since it would not sense a reference voltage. Can anyone verify that my thinking is correct about the alternator runaway and / or the solenoid failing after start. I have not had a chance to fly since re-installing the cowl. Be nice - I don't have a Nomex flight suit. Bobby Age 77 An analog guy in a digital world do not archive. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:08 PM PST US From: Jeff Luckey Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: alternator Bobby, Can you give us a little more detail... What kind of airplane? Do you have an electrical drawing of the system? What part of the country are you in? -Jeff On Monday, April 4, 2016 3:43 PM, "BobbyPaulk@comcast.net" wrote: I have a two fold problem or maybe just 2 separate problems or maybe the s econd item is not a problem at all. Went to take a friend for a ride Sat. and the engine started fine. Looked a t the instruments with the Alternator switch on and the Dynon read zero vol tage and said the internal ( Dynon ) battery was going to shut down shortly . Alternator is Nippon Denso 40 amp ( 3) wire. Could the master solenoid fa il after start so that the alternator could not see the voltage.Switch was still on. I cycled the Alt switch several times but did not cycle the maste r. We pulled the plane back in the hangar and checked all connections and t urned the master on. It read battery voltage at 13.6 v.=C2- I have never had this problem before. Pulled it back out and it started right up and everything worked as it shou ld.=C2- So I turned off the master with the alt. switch still on and the voltage st arted up 15, 16, 17 and as I turned the master back on it dropped immediate ly to 13.6 and then went to charging at 14.4 to 14.6 and not running away. All power is connected downstream of the master solenoid. I am thinking the residual voltage in the alternator went back to the post on the master and fed thru the Alt on switch on the positive buss and back to the Alternator and that started a runaway. I did not think to turn the Alt switch off but I think that would have stopped it as well since it would not sense a refe rence voltage. Can anyone verify that my thinking is correct about the alternator runaway and / or the solenoid failing after start. I have not had a chance to fly s ince re-installing the cowl. Be nice - I don't have a Nomex flight suit. Bobby Age 77 An analog guy in a digital world do not archive. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:13 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: alternator From: "user9253" It seems that the Dynon lost power for some reason, bad avionics switch or loose connection anywhere between the master contactor and power bus. The vast majority of electrical problems are due to bad connections. Check every switch and terminal before suspecting more expensive parts. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454556#454556 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:31 PM PST US From: ashleysc@broadstripe.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Charlotte, NC Weekend Seminar May 21-22 Hi Bob; Unfortunately I'm not a candidate for your North Carolina meeting.=C2- Do you ever get out to the north-west coast, say Seattle-ish? Cheers!=C2-=C2- Stu. PS: I have your manual, and a good piece of work it is! Stuart C. Ashley 1638 Penn Cove Road Oak Harbor, WA=C2- 98277 ashleysc@broadstripe.net 360-678-5255 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 6:21:59 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Charlotte, NC Weekend Seminar May 21-22 Lister Ken Larson has offered the hospitality of EAA Chapter 309 to host an AeroElectric Connection weekend seminar http://tinyurl.com/z5hdcq2 on KIPJ http://tinyurl.com/h67yba9 May 21 and 22. Dr. Dee and I are coming in a day early so that we can spend more time with our friends in NC. There will probably be a Friday evening meet-n-greet on Lake Norman Airpark http://tinyurl.com/gla9ma5 I've opened a sign=up portal on the website at http://aeroelectric.com =C2- We need ~20 sign-ups by May 5 so we can buy non-refundable airline tickets at reasonable prices. It's been awhile since we've been out in the field . . . looking forward to meeting many of our readers and friends. =C2- Bob . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.