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1. 05:11 AM - carling s700 (Michael Lazarowicz)
2. 06:55 AM - Re: carling s700 (user9253)
3. 09:09 AM - Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise (Neal George)
4. 12:15 PM - Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise (John Tipton)
5. 12:20 PM - Re: carling s700 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 12:43 PM - Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise (Lyle Peterson)
7. 12:52 PM - Re: carling s700 (another question) (John Tipton)
8. 01:26 PM - Re: carling s700 (another question) (user9253)
9. 01:59 PM - Re: carling s700 (another question) (Bob McCallum)
10. 02:08 PM - Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise (Kent or Jackie Ashton)
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For some reason I am really getting confused about the. Batt/master switch
and how it is wired. I am using a clarling toggle, S2077 I believe. It
has three positions. I think this switch is a On/On/On type. You want one
position for everything off. One for Battery only and one for Battery and
Alternator. When I look at the diagram of the switch for page Z-11 it
appears that one position connects the Battery only, one connects the
battery and the Alt. and one is off. It appears that the one position
connects with Term 3 and six which are used as the off position.
Am I even close on this ?
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: carling s700 |
Mike,
Your analysis seems correct to me. I could not find part number S2077. B&C part
number is S700-2-10. Since no wires are connected to terminals 3 and 6, that
position (down) must be off.
Terminal 1 is connected with the switch either centered or fully up.
Terminal 4 is connected only with the switch fully up.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455675#455675
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| Subject: | Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise |
Now that's funny...
Neal George
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 30, 2016, at 2:11 AM, Hal Benjamin <halbenjamin101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fluke is a good meter....Sorta like a Simpson meter was before Bart came along!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Lyle Peterson <lyleap@centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It is a meter that measures the number of flukes in a given period of time.
>>
>>
>>> On 4/29/2016 3:10 PM, Rene wrote:
>>>
>>> It is what you call a bad multi-meter when you are in mixed company. :)
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>> Rene'
>>> 801-721-6080
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle
>>> Peterson
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 1:25 PM
>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Intermittent Alternator Noise
>>>
>>> --> <lyleap@centurylink.net>
>>>
>>> Fluke is a brand of a series of multi-meters usually considered to be of
>>> high quality.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4/29/2016 2:07 PM, John Tipton wrote:
>>> <jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
>>>> What's a 'fluke meter'
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> ----x--O--x----
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 07:18 pm, Justin Jones <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
>>>>> Need help troubleshooting an intermittent noise.
>>>>>
>>>>> My aircraft is wired per Bob's 13-8 diagram. When the primary alternator
>>> (60A Lycoming alternator) is running, all is well. Everything works, the
>>> EFII programmer reads 14.3-14.5 volts and the Dynon EMS-D180 reads 13.8.
>>>>> When I turn off the main alternator and test the B&C-410H there is an
>>> intermittent noise (wine and static in the intercom). Associated with the
>>> noise is a low voltage indication on the Dynon (11.5 volts) but the EFII
>>> programmer still reads 14.3-14.5 volts. After a few minutes, the noise goes
>>> away and the voltage comes up to 13.8 on the Dynon. The situation will
>>> continue to cycle with no predictable pattern. Every time I get the noise,
>>> the Dynon display voltage drops and every time the noise goes away the Dynon
>>> display voltage rises.
>>>>> After performing an hour long test flight on the B&C alternator and
>>> watching this cycle, I shut the aircraft down and a fluke meter showed 12.9
>>> volts on the battery.
>>>>> The regulators are both solid state VR166 as Bob suggests in the
>>> Aeroelectric Connection.
>>>>> Thoughts or suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise |
What's a 'Simpson meter'
John
Sent from my iPad
----x--O--x----
> On 30 Apr 2016, at 05:08 pm, Neal George <ngeorge@continentalmotors.aero> wrote:
>
>
> Now that's funny...
>
> Neal George
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 2:11 AM, Hal Benjamin <halbenjamin101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Fluke is a good meter....Sorta like a Simpson meter was before Bart came along!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Lyle Peterson <lyleap@centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It is a meter that measures the number of flukes in a given period of time.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4/29/2016 3:10 PM, Rene wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is what you call a bad multi-meter when you are in mixed company. :)
>>>>
>>>> Do not archive.
>>>>
>>>> Rene'
>>>> 801-721-6080
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle
>>>> Peterson
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 1:25 PM
>>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Intermittent Alternator Noise
>>>>
>>>> --> <lyleap@centurylink.net>
>>>>
>>>> Fluke is a brand of a series of multi-meters usually considered to be of
>>>> high quality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/2016 2:07 PM, John Tipton wrote:
>>>> <jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
>>>>> What's a 'fluke meter'
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> ----x--O--x----
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 07:18 pm, Justin Jones <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
>>>>>> Need help troubleshooting an intermittent noise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My aircraft is wired per Bob's 13-8 diagram. When the primary alternator
>>>> (60A Lycoming alternator) is running, all is well. Everything works, the
>>>> EFII programmer reads 14.3-14.5 volts and the Dynon EMS-D180 reads 13.8.
>>>>>> When I turn off the main alternator and test the B&C-410H there is an
>>>> intermittent noise (wine and static in the intercom). Associated with the
>>>> noise is a low voltage indication on the Dynon (11.5 volts) but the EFII
>>>> programmer still reads 14.3-14.5 volts. After a few minutes, the noise goes
>>>> away and the voltage comes up to 13.8 on the Dynon. The situation will
>>>> continue to cycle with no predictable pattern. Every time I get the noise,
>>>> the Dynon display voltage drops and every time the noise goes away the Dynon
>>>> display voltage rises.
>>>>>> After performing an hour long test flight on the B&C alternator and
>>>> watching this cycle, I shut the aircraft down and a fluke meter showed 12.9
>>>> volts on the battery.
>>>>>> The regulators are both solid state VR166 as Bob suggests in the
>>>> Aeroelectric Connection.
>>>>>> Thoughts or suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Justin
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: carling s700 |
At 07:09 AM 4/30/2016, you wrote:
>For some reason I am really getting confused
>about the.=C2 Batt/master switch and how it is
>wired.=C2 I am using a clarling toggle,=C2 S2077 I
>believe. It has three positions.=C2 I think this
>switch is a On/On/On type.=C2 You want one
>position for everything off.=C2 One for Battery
>only and one for Battery and Alternator.=C2 When
>I look at the diagram of the switch for page
>Z-11 it appears that one position connects the
>Battery only, one connects the battery and the
>Alt. and one is off. It appears that the one
>position connects with Term 3 and six which are used as the off position.
>
>Am I even close on this ?
Z13/8 doesn't show a progressive transfer battery
master. It shows a simple DC master ON/OFF wherein
the alternator can be disabled by pulling the field
breaker. The switch called out is the simple
DPDT/ON-ON S700-2-3 device (B&C part number)
Emacs!
Figure Z-11 shows the progressive transfer
S700-2-10 switch that emulated the split rocker
switch popularized on many single engine aircraft
over the years.
Emacs!
Examination of the schematic symbol illustrates
internal functionality of the DP3T/ON-ON-ON
device.
EITHER style of switch can be used . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise |
Another brand of meter. The one I have is an analog meter. It is about
3" x 6" x 8" and used those old fashioned carbon zinc batteries.
Alkaline replacements work. They were also considered good meters in
their time. I don't know if Simpson still makes any measuring equipment.
It won't count the number of the Simpson's appearances on TV because I
change the channel before they get to the introductions.
On 4/30/2016 2:13 PM, John Tipton wrote:
>
> What's a 'Simpson meter'
>
> John
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ----x--O--x----
>
>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 05:08 pm, Neal George <ngeorge@continentalmotors.aero> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Now that's funny...
>>
>> Neal George
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 2:11 AM, Hal Benjamin <halbenjamin101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Fluke is a good meter....Sorta like a Simpson meter was before Bart came along!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Lyle Peterson <lyleap@centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a meter that measures the number of flukes in a given period of time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/2016 3:10 PM, Rene wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is what you call a bad multi-meter when you are in mixed company. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do not archive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rene'
>>>>> 801-721-6080
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle
>>>>> Peterson
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 1:25 PM
>>>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Intermittent Alternator Noise
>>>>>
>>>>> --> <lyleap@centurylink.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fluke is a brand of a series of multi-meters usually considered to be of
>>>>> high quality.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/29/2016 2:07 PM, John Tipton wrote:
>>>>> <jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
>>>>>> What's a 'fluke meter'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----x--O--x----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2016, at 07:18 pm, Justin Jones <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>> Need help troubleshooting an intermittent noise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My aircraft is wired per Bob's 13-8 diagram. When the primary alternator
>>>>> (60A Lycoming alternator) is running, all is well. Everything works, the
>>>>> EFII programmer reads 14.3-14.5 volts and the Dynon EMS-D180 reads 13.8.
>>>>>>> When I turn off the main alternator and test the B&C-410H there is an
>>>>> intermittent noise (wine and static in the intercom). Associated with the
>>>>> noise is a low voltage indication on the Dynon (11.5 volts) but the EFII
>>>>> programmer still reads 14.3-14.5 volts. After a few minutes, the noise goes
>>>>> away and the voltage comes up to 13.8 on the Dynon. The situation will
>>>>> continue to cycle with no predictable pattern. Every time I get the noise,
>>>>> the Dynon display voltage drops and every time the noise goes away the Dynon
>>>>> display voltage rises.
>>>>>>> After performing an hour long test flight on the B&C alternator and
>>>>> watching this cycle, I shut the aircraft down and a fluke meter showed 12.9
>>>>> volts on the battery.
>>>>>>> The regulators are both solid state VR166 as Bob suggests in the
>>>>> Aeroelectric Connection.
>>>>>>> Thoughts or suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: carling s700 (another question) |
Sorry to hijack the thread ---
But while were are talking switches: I thought I could sort any 2-10 wiring o
ut: but I have a problem, is it possible to wire this 'wig-wag' device
http://www.periheliondesign.com/wigwagmnl.htm
to give me, with a three position switch: Off - on (both) - wig-wag
with a 2-10 or any switch for that matter
Regards
John
Sent from my iPad
----x--O--x----
> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:18 pm, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroe
lectric.com> wrote:
>
> At 07:09 AM 4/30/2016, you wrote:
>> For some reason I am really getting confused about the.=C3=82 Batt/maste
r switch and how it is wired.=C3=82 I am using a clarling toggle,=C3=82 S2
077 I believe. It has three positions.=C3=82 I think this switch is a On/On
/On type.=C3=82 You want one position for everything off.=C3=82 One for Ba
ttery only and one for Battery and Alternator.=C3=82 When I look at the dia
gram of the switch for page Z-11 it appears that one position connects the B
attery only, one connects the battery and the Alt. and one is off. It appear
s that the one position connects with Term 3 and six which are used as the o
ff position.
>>
>> Am I even close on this ?
>
> Z13/8 doesn't show a progressive transfer battery
> master. It shows a simple DC master ON/OFF wherein
> the alternator can be disabled by pulling the field
> breaker. The switch called out is the simple
> DPDT/ON-ON S700-2-3 device (B&C part number)
>
> <8b672cc.jpg>
>
>
> Figure Z-11 shows the progressive transfer
> S700-2-10 switch that emulated the split rocker
> switch popularized on many single engine aircraft
> over the years.
> <8b67339.jpg>
>
> Examination of the schematic symbol illustrates
> internal functionality of the DP3T/ON-ON-ON
> device.
>
> EITHER style of switch can be used . . .
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| Subject: | Re: carling s700 (another question) |
It seems that you want to wire the wig wag as shown in Eric's diagram "B".
You can use a DP3T ON-ON-ON switch as shown in the diagram. Down position will
be off. Mouser part number 633-M204401. Do NOT use the 2-10 progressive transfer
switch.
Or you can use a 3 position ON-OFF-ON DPDT switch with center off.
Make sure there are no parentheses in the ON-OFF-ON description because parentheses
indicate a momentary switch position.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455691#455691
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| Subject: | carling s700 (another question) |
Diagram =93B=94 on the page you linked gives the operation you=92ve
described.
Bob McC
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Tipton
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: carling s700 (another question)
Sorry to hijack the thread ---
But while were are talking switches: I thought I could sort any 2-10
wiring
out: but I have a problem, is it possible to wire this 'wig-wag' device
http://www.periheliondesign.com/wigwagmnl.htm
to give me, with a three position switch: Off - on (both) - wig-wag
with a 2-10 or any switch for that matter
Regards
John
Sent from my iPad
----x--O--x----
On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:18 pm, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
At 07:09 AM 4/30/2016, you wrote:
For some reason I am really getting confused about the.=C2 Batt/master
switch
and how it is wired.=C2 I am using a clarling toggle,=C2 S2077 I
believe. It
has three positions.=C2 I think this switch is a On/On/On type.=C2 You
want
one position for everything off.=C2 One for Battery only and one for
Battery
and Alternator.=C2 When I look at the diagram of the switch for page
Z-11 it
appears that one position connects the Battery only, one connects the
battery and the Alt. and one is off. It appears that the one position
connects with Term 3 and six which are used as the off position.
Am I even close on this ?
Z13/8 doesn't show a progressive transfer battery
master. It shows a simple DC master ON/OFF wherein
the alternator can be disabled by pulling the field
breaker. The switch called out is the simple
DPDT/ON-ON S700-2-3 device (B&C part number)
<8b672cc.jpg>
Figure Z-11 shows the progressive transfer
S700-2-10 switch that emulated the split rocker
switch popularized on many single engine aircraft
over the years.
<8b67339.jpg>
Examination of the schematic symbol illustrates
internal functionality of the DP3T/ON-ON-ON
device.
EITHER style of switch can be used . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Intermittent Alternator Noise |
Ha! http://www.simpsonelectric.com
> On Apr 30, 2016, at 3:13 PM, John Tipton <jmtipton@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> What's a 'Simpson meter?
>>>
>>> Fluke is a good meter....Sorta like a Simpson meter was before Bart came along!
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