---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/02/16: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: B&C 200G Alternator (Efraim Otero) 2. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: B&C 200G Alternator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 02:24 PM - finding the correct crimper (Ken Ryan) 4. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: B&C 200G Alternator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 03:31 PM - Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 03:45 PM - Re: finding the correct crimper (Ken Ryan) 7. 05:10 PM - Re: finding the correct crimper (user9253) 8. 09:35 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (ashleysc@broadstripe.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:36 AM PST US From: Efraim Otero Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 200G Alternator Joe: Many thanks for the advice. Yes, the idea is to power a Flightline 760 VHF radio, a Sandia STX transponder and a dual plug cigarrette lighter plus for iphone and ipad Plain day vfr. > On Apr 29, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Clive Richards wrote: > > Joe Ref item 1 Efraim drawing shows the inline fuse in the alternator AC output wire before the regulator I would put it their with a 15 fuse on the distribution block connecting to the relay com as his drawing. > > Efraim I would twist the AC wires from the alternator output to the regulator as your note 2. as I assume this is a simple aircraft with very little load this alternator should be large enough we use a smaller one on our 0200 with no problem (we have MAGS, Mechanical Fuel Pump ,Icom A22 radio, trig transponder, backup electric fuel pump,strobes) > Clive > > On 29 April 2016 at 19:42, user9253 > wrote: > > > Ephraim > > 1. Yes, cut the red wire and connect one end to the power distribution bus in place of the circuit breaker that is labeled 15A for 200G. The other end of the red wire connects to the COM terminal of the relay. > > 2. Yes, 14 AWG. > > 3. COM stands for "common" on the relay. The "COM" pole is the moving part of the relay. It connects to the N.O. terminal when the relay is energized and connects to the N.C. terminal when the relay is not energized. > > 4. Yes, use a fuse block. However, if you install a crowbar over-voltage module, that circuit should have a circuit breaker instead of a fuse. With normal aircraft loads, a small 12 amp alternator will be working hard to maintain voltage, let alone producing over-voltage. > > 5. Are both positive and negative battery terminals connected directly to the starter? If you are talking about only the negative, then leave it attached to the starter. Install an additional ground wire from the battery negative to the firewall. Use a brass bolt and install a forest of ground tabs on the other side of the firewall connected to that same brass bolt. > > 6. See diagram Z-11 in Bob's book for connecting the starter to the battery. If your plane does not have a master contactor, then the starter contactor can be connected directly to the battery positive. Although it is recommended to also have a master contactor. Z-11 also shows the magneto switches which also connect to the starter contactor. =46rom the main power bus, follow the wire from the "START 7A" fuse. > > A 12 amp alternator is not very big. Do you have another larger alternator too? > > -------- > Joe Gores > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455632#455632 > > > > > > > > ========== > - > Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:41 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 200G Alternator At 12:23 PM 5/2/2016, you wrote: >Joe: >Many thanks for the advice. Yes, the idea is to >power a Flightline 760 VHF radio, a Sandia STX >transponder and a dual plug cigarrette lighter >plus for iphone and ipad=85 Plain day vfr. I'll suggest figure z-16 as a baseline architecture for your airplane. http://tinyurl.com/7vp9g4e Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:34 PM PST US From: Ken Ryan Subject: AeroElectric-List: finding the correct crimper Attached are two pictures, one shows the type of terminals I am trying to crimp, the other shows the three crimpers I have bought, none of which works on these terminals. The terminals, as best I can determine, are Delphi AF Female Unsealed #12131456 (for wire 18-22). They are to be used in a fuse block with the terminal being the output side of the fuse holder. The blue handled crimper is the one sold to me when I bought the fuse block and terminals. The red handled crimper is one that I bought from SteinAir after the red ones didn't work. The other crimper is a Delphi that I bought from Mouser after researching the terminals (and failing with the SteinAir crimper). None of these crimpers even comes close to working. I am inexperienced, but I have crimped "regular" Molex type terminals using the blue handled crimpers, no problem. Everything worked just as expected with the ears turning to dive into the wire strands, etc. But I have ruined at least 10-15 terminals trying to get a satisfactory crimp with these three tools, and none of them seems to work properly. Please see attached pictures. Thanks for any help and advice. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:49 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 200G Alternator At 12:23 PM 5/2/2016, you wrote: >Joe: >Many thanks for the advice. Yes, the idea is to >power a Flightline 760 VHF radio, a Sandia STX >transponder and a dual plug cigarrette lighter >plus for iphone and ipad=85 Plain day vfr. I'll suggest figure z-16 as a baseline architecture for your airplane. http://tinyurl.com/7vp9g4e Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:01 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: finding the correct crimper At 04:22 PM 5/2/2016, you wrote: >Attached are two pictures, one shows the type of >terminals I am trying to crimp, the other shows >the three crimpers I have bought, none of which works on these terminals. > >The terminals, as best I can determine, are >Delphi AF Female Unsealed #12131456 (for wire >18-22). They are to be used in a fuse block with >the terminal being the output side of the fuse holder.=C2 > >The blue handled crimper is the one sold to me >when I bought the fuse block and terminals. The >red handled crimper is one that I bought from >SteinAir after the red ones didn't work. The >other crimper is a Delphi that I bought from >Mouser after researching the terminals (and >failing with the SteinAir crimper). None of >these crimpers even comes close to working. I am >inexperienced, but I have crimped "regular" >Molex type terminals using the blue handled >crimpers, no problem. Everything worked just as >expected with the ears turning to dive into the >wire strands, etc. But I have ruined at least >10-15 terminals trying to get a satisfactory >crimp with these three tools, and none of them >seems to work properly. Please see attached >pictures. Thanks for any help and advice. Getting the perfect 'curl-over' with b-crimps is a bit problematic . . . especially if the terminal material is thick. My friend Dave Swartzendruber used to sell that fuse block to Ford Bronco restoration enthusiasts . . . I'll drop Dave a note and see what his experience was with those parts. Do you have or can you get any extra terminals as loose parts? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: finding the correct crimper From: Ken Ryan I still have a few extra terminals. Mouser seems to have a minimum order of 20,000 pieces! On Monday, May 2, 2016, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 04:22 PM 5/2/2016, you wrote: > > Attached are two pictures, one shows the type of terminals I am trying to > crimp, the other shows the three crimpers I have bought, none of which > works on these terminals. > > The terminals, as best I can determine, are Delphi AF Female Unsealed > #12131456 (for wire 18-22). They are to be used in a fuse block with the > terminal being the output side of the fuse holder.=C3=82 > > The blue handled crimper is the one sold to me when I bought the fuse > block and terminals. The red handled crimper is one that I bought from > SteinAir after the red ones didn't work. The other crimper is a Delphi th at > I bought from Mouser after researching the terminals (and failing with th e > SteinAir crimper). None of these crimpers even comes close to working. I am > inexperienced, but I have crimped "regular" Molex type terminals using th e > blue handled crimpers, no problem. Everything worked just as expected wit h > the ears turning to dive into the wire strands, etc. But I have ruined at > least 10-15 terminals trying to get a satisfactory crimp with these three > tools, and none of them seems to work properly. Please see attached > pictures. Thanks for any help and advice. > > > Getting the perfect 'curl-over' with b-crimps > is a bit problematic . . . especially if the > terminal material is thick. My friend Dave > Swartzendruber used to sell that fuse block > to Ford Bronco restoration enthusiasts . . . > I'll drop Dave a note and see what his > experience was with those parts. > > Do you have or can you get any extra terminals > as loose parts? > > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:24 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper From: "user9253" Waytek sells the terminals, minimum 50. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455777#455777 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:13 PM PST US From: ashleysc@broadstripe.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper Hi; I suggest the following sequence: 1. Strip off about 5/8" to bare the conductor. 2. Turn the bare conductor back over the insulation to guarantee good contact within the terminal. 3. I noticed there is too much flare on your terminals, so close the flare to at least parallel with pliers. If you don't do this the terminal won't enter the die properly. 4. Insert the wire into the terminal with the bare conductor deepest into the terminal. 5. Crimp the terminal. The final result should look like a U with the legs turned inward almost 180 degrees. These turned inward legs probably will cut through the insulation and make contact with the conductor. They're supposed to, but with the method outlined the connection will function regardless. Cheers! Stu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "user9253" Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 5:08:42 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper Waytek sells the terminals, minimum 50. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455777#455777 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.