---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/08/16: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Ken Ryan) 3. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Ken Ryan) 6. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Ken Ryan) 10. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: finding the correct crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:58 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper At 12:50 PM 5/4/2016, you wrote: >Those are fuse terminals. > My samples came in last week but didn't get to work with them until today. Here are the results of terminal installations selecting from the same spectrum of in-expensive b-crimp tools in my collection. The terminal pictured is that 12020334 Pack-Con Series III female terminal used in a variety of fuse blocks, relay harness connectors, etc. This is an 18-20AWG rated device. I've installed several onto 20AWG Tefzel with b-crimp tools like the BCT-1, Amp Service Tool-II, Molex etc. I was able to produce a satisfactory wire-grip with pull-out resistance exceeding 10 pounds. Emacs! Given that these terminals are engineered for automotive PVC and similar instalations, the insulation grip flags are a bit long for Tefzel. I prefer not to use a b-crimp die but, instead . . . Emacs! Emacs! I mold these too-long flags into the 'bear- hug' I have illustrated for the Mate-n-Lok and Molex open barrel pins. Yeah, the meal on this pins is a bit thicker but they behaved quite civilly with the tools I've used for years. Emacs! This last shot shows the larger 16-14AWG terminal installed on a piece of 14AWG automotive and 16AWG Tefzel with satisfactory results. Emacs! No special tools needed . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:43 PM PST US From: Ken Ryan Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper Thanks for the report Bob. I wish I could duplicate your results, but on all of mine either the wires pull out easily, or if I use a smaller setting it mangles the terminal. I am assuming that your 10 pound pull out is prior to the insulation crimp, right? I have another tool ordered which should be here this week. I am hoping it works a lot better than the three I have already tried. On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 12:50 PM 5/4/2016, you wrote: > > Those are fuse terminals. > > > My samples came in last week but didn't get > to work with them until today. Here are > the results of terminal installations selecting > from the same spectrum of in-expensive b-crimp > tools in my collection. > > The terminal pictured is that 12020334 Pack-Con > Series III female terminal used in a variety > of fuse blocks, relay harness connectors, etc. > This is an 18-20AWG rated device. > > I've installed several onto 20AWG Tefzel > with b-crimp tools like the BCT-1, Amp Service > Tool-II, Molex etc. > > I was able to produce a satisfactory > wire-grip with pull-out resistance > exceeding 10 pounds. > > [image: Emacs!] > > Given that these terminals are engineered > for automotive PVC and similar instalations, > the insulation grip flags are a bit > long for Tefzel. I prefer not to use > a b-crimp die but, instead . . . > > [image: Emacs!] > > > [image: Emacs!] > > I mold these too-long flags into the 'bear- > hug' I have illustrated for the Mate-n-Lok > and Molex open barrel pins. Yeah, the meal on > this pins is a bit thicker but they behaved > quite civilly with the tools I've used > for years. > > [image: Emacs!] > > This last shot shows the larger 16-14AWG > terminal installed on a piece of 14AWG > automotive and 16AWG Tefzel with satisfactory > results. > > [image: Emacs!] > > No special tools needed . . . > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:49 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper At 02:54 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote: >Thanks for the report Bob. I wish I could duplicate your results, >but on all of mine either the wires pull out easily, or if I use a >smaller setting it mangles the terminal. I am assuming that your 10 >pound pull out is prior to the insulation crimp, right? I have >another tool ordered which should be here this week. I am hoping it >works a lot better than the three I have already tried. Can you send me some pictures of the not-so-useful tool? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:24 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper At 02:54 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote: >Thanks for the report Bob. I wish I could duplicate your results, >but on all of mine either the wires pull out easily, or if I use a >smaller setting it mangles the terminal. I am assuming that your 10 >pound pull out is prior to the insulation crimp, right? I have >another tool ordered which should be here this week. I am hoping it >works a lot better than the three I have already tried. Can you send me some pictures of the not-so-useful tool? Emacs! My favorite tool has no 'settings'. There are three b-crimp pockets which are generally adequate for terminals accepting wires from 14 AWG to 22 AWG. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:05 PM PST US From: Ken Ryan Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper That looks similar to what I have tried. Attached is a photo showing the three I have used so far. Two fairly inexpensive and one fairly expensive. On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 02:54 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote: > > Thanks for the report Bob. I wish I could duplicate your results, but on > all of mine either the wires pull out easily, or if I use a smaller setting > it mangles the terminal. I am assuming that your 10 pound pull out is prior > to the insulation crimp, right? I have another tool ordered which should be > here this week. I am hoping it works a lot better than the three I have > already tried. > > > Can you send me some pictures of the not-so-useful > tool? > > [image: Emacs!] > > My favorite tool has no 'settings'. There > are three b-crimp pockets which are generally > adequate for terminals accepting wires from > 14 AWG to 22 AWG. > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:25 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper At 06:01 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote: >That looks similar to what I have tried. Attached is a photo showing >the three I have used so far. Two fairly inexpensive and one fairly expensive. The one on the right should work. Are you sure the terminal wasn't rolling over in the die before the punch starts to curl the ends over onto the wires? The "D" die should do the 18-20 AWG terminals. Use the jaw-tips to partially close the wire grips so that they are parallel to each other. Then position in the die as shown, bring the punch down on it with just enough force to grip it. Slip the strands into the grip region and put the mash on it. Use as much hand-pressure as you can muster. Pre-positioning as suggested should keep the terminal from rolling as the punch pushes it into the die. Emacs! The rachet handled tool is undoubtedly set up for a certain line of terminals and mating wires. It will have a fixed crimp height, thus limited in the range of wires/terminals. The tool above stops reducing crimp height only after you run out of snort, hence more accommodating of variability in materials. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:36 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper The rachet handled tool is undoubtedly set up for a certain line of terminals and mating wires. It will have a fixed crimp height, thus limited in the range of wires/terminals. Oops, obviously no ratchet . . . just a lot of mechanical advantage typical of that mechanism. But I suspect both of those die pockets are too big for the terminals under discussion. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:11 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper Oops, obviously no ratchet . . . just a lot of mechanical advantage typical of that mechanism. But I suspect both of those die pockets are too big for the terminals under discussion. Just guessing but the middle tool seems to be for the Delphi 56 series terminals and is probably an earlier version of this tool. Emacs! for these terminals. Emacs! If you turn your tool over, are the punch/die pairs a different size? That tool looks like it does wire and insulation in a single stroke. Those tools will generally have smaller cross- sections on the wire grip side . . . a bit larger on the insulation side. Definitely problematic for the task at hand . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:46 PM PST US From: Ken Ryan Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper Thanks Bob. I have your instruction sheet, so I used it when trying to crimp. As I said, I didn't have any trouble with the lighter gauge molex terminals. I will have a better quality crimper this week and according to the specs it is supposed to work on these exact terminals. As I am running low on terminals I will wait for those crimpers. They are very similar to the Delphi crimpers in the picture, but this one is definitely supposed to be for these exact terminals. On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > > > * Oops, obviously no ratchet . . . just a lot of mechanical advantage > typical of that mechanism. But I suspect both of those die pockets are > too big for the terminals under discussion. *Just guessing but the > middle tool seems > to be for the Delphi 56 series terminals > and is probably an earlier version of this > tool. > > [image: Emacs!] > > for these terminals. > > [image: Emacs!] > > If you turn your tool over, are the punch/die > pairs a different size? That tool looks like > it does wire and insulation in a single stroke. > Those tools will generally have smaller cross- > sections on the wire grip side . . . a bit > larger on the insulation side. > > Definitely problematic for the task at hand . . . > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:24 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: finding the correct crimper At 08:53 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote: >Thanks Bob. I have your instruction sheet, so I used it when trying >to crimp. As I said, I didn't have any trouble with the lighter >gauge molex terminals. I will have a better quality crimper this >week and according to the specs it is supposed to work on these >exact terminals. As I am running low on terminals I will wait for >those crimpers. They are very similar to the Delphi crimpers in the >picture, but this one is definitely supposed to be for these exact terminals. I got lots of them. If you run low, drop me your mailing address. 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