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1. 12:37 AM - Wrong email address - Re-send pls (Franz Fux)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: Problem with starting (Neal George)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: Problem with starting (Alec Myers)
4. 07:51 AM - Re: Problem with starting (Alec Myers)
5. 12:11 PM - Re: Problem with starting (Neal George)
6. 02:14 PM - Re: Problem with starting (David Lloyd)
7. 02:25 PM - Re: Problem with starting (Alec Myers)
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| Subject: | Wrong email address - Re-send pls |
I will no longer be checking franz@lastfrontierheli.com due to excessive
and uncontrollable spam.
Please re-send your email to my new address:
franz.fux@lastfrontierheli.com and make a note of it for the future.
Apologies for the inconvenience,
Franz Fux
Last Frontier Heliskiing - Go Beyond
www.lastfrontierheli.com
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| Subject: | Problem with starting |
Alec -
Which starter motor is on your engine?
If it is an ISKRA, you should take it out of service. Replace the starter adapter
while you're at it - it is probably damages as well. ISKRA starters feature
a planetary gear train that is subject to magnetization and binding. Catastrophic
engine failure from starter adapter failure is a real possibility.
I have a starter motor I'll let you borrow...
Neal
Continental Motors Tech Support
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Unfortunately sourcing another starter just to try is infeasible.
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with starting |
Hi Neal
Tha
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Neal George <ngeorge@continentalmotors.aero> wrote:
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> Alec -
> Which starter motor is on your engine?
> If it is an ISKRA, you should take it out of service. Replace the starter adapter
while you're at it - it is probably damages as well. ISKRA starters feature
a planetary gear train that is subject to magnetization and binding. Catastrophic
engine failure from starter adapter failure is a real possibility.
>
> I have a starter motor I'll let you borrow...
>
> Neal
> Continental Motors Tech Support
>
> ==========
> Unfortunately sourcing another starter just to try is infeasible.
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with starting |
Hi Neal
That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct drive.
No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter involves partially
removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to avoid if possible.
Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am?
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Alec Myers <alec@alecmyers.com> wrote:
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> Hi Neal
>
> Tha
>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Neal George <ngeorge@continentalmotors.aero> wrote:
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>> Alec -
>> Which starter motor is on your engine?
>> If it is an ISKRA, you should take it out of service. Replace the starter adapter
while you're at it - it is probably damages as well. ISKRA starters feature
a planetary gear train that is subject to magnetization and binding. Catastrophic
engine failure from starter adapter failure is a real possibility.
>>
>> I have a starter motor I'll let you borrow...
>>
>> Neal
>> Continental Motors Tech Support
>>
>> ==========
>> Unfortunately sourcing another starter just to try is infeasible.
>>
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| Subject: | Problem with starting |
Canada and the cost/aggravation of Customs makes it tough.
If you have a Hartzell Energizer, the probability of the starter motor being the
problem is low unless it has been badly abused. Pull the motor and take it
to your local automotive alternator & starter repair shop - they ought to be able
to test it.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Alec Myers
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:50 AM
Hi Neal
That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct drive.
No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter involves partially
removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to avoid if possible.
Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am?
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with starting |
. . . never tell an "auto" shop that a part is off an aircraft. . .!
Tell them it is off a boat, tractor, etc. !!
Most shops in US have a built alarm system that they cannot "touch" anything
off of an aircraft, even to test it. . .
Maybe the same in Canada. . . .
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <ngeorge@continentalmotors.aero>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting
> <ngeorge@continentalmotors.aero>
>
> Canada and the cost/aggravation of Customs makes it tough.
>
> If you have a Hartzell Energizer, the probability of the starter motor
> being the problem is low unless it has been badly abused. Pull the motor
> and take it to your local automotive alternator & starter repair shop -
> they ought to be able to test it.
>
> Neal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Alec Myers
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>
>
> Hi Neal
>
> That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct
> drive. No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter
> involves partially removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to
> avoid if possible. Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with starting |
It's an Energiser 12, with a TCM label.
Is it possible that an intermittent open-circuit in the armature could cause this?
If the rotor goes open circuit the motor stops, the back EMF disappears and
the current rises, just like if the motor was stalled. That would draw a lot
of current, right?
I had the motor overhauled already this last week, after first seeing the problem.
Perhaps they missed the fault, but when I take it back it would be good to
know what to suggest, especially if looking for something intermittent.
On Jun 18, 2016, at 15:09, Neal George <ngeorge@continentalmotors.aero> wrote:
Canada and the cost/aggravation of Customs makes it tough.
If you have a Hartzell Energizer, the probability of the starter motor being the
problem is low unless it has been badly abused. Pull the motor and take it
to your local automotive alternator & starter repair shop - they ought to be able
to test it.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Alec Myers
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:50 AM
Hi Neal
That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct drive.
No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter involves partially
removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to avoid if possible.
Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am?
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