---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/18/16: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Wrong email address - Re-send pls (Franz Fux) 2. 06:53 AM - Re: Problem with starting (Neal George) 3. 07:46 AM - Re: Problem with starting (Alec Myers) 4. 07:51 AM - Re: Problem with starting (Alec Myers) 5. 12:11 PM - Re: Problem with starting (Neal George) 6. 02:14 PM - Re: Problem with starting (David Lloyd) 7. 02:25 PM - Re: Problem with starting (Alec Myers) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:35 AM PST US From: "Franz Fux" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wrong email address - Re-send pls I will no longer be checking franz@lastfrontierheli.com due to excessive and uncontrollable spam. Please re-send your email to my new address: franz.fux@lastfrontierheli.com and make a note of it for the future. Apologies for the inconvenience, Franz Fux Last Frontier Heliskiing - Go Beyond www.lastfrontierheli.com --- Head Office: PO Box 1237, Vernon, BC V1T 6N6, CANADA Tel: 250 558 7980 Fax: 250 558 7981 Reservations: 1-888-655-5566 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:13 AM PST US From: Neal George Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting Alec - Which starter motor is on your engine? If it is an ISKRA, you should take it out of service. Replace the starter adapter while you're at it - it is probably damages as well. ISKRA starters feature a planetary gear train that is subject to magnetization and binding. Catastrophic engine failure from starter adapter failure is a real possibility. I have a starter motor I'll let you borrow... Neal Continental Motors Tech Support ========== Unfortunately sourcing another starter just to try is infeasible. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:39 AM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting Hi Neal Tha > On Jun 18, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Neal George wrote: > > > Alec - > Which starter motor is on your engine? > If it is an ISKRA, you should take it out of service. Replace the starter adapter while you're at it - it is probably damages as well. ISKRA starters feature a planetary gear train that is subject to magnetization and binding. Catastrophic engine failure from starter adapter failure is a real possibility. > > I have a starter motor I'll let you borrow... > > Neal > Continental Motors Tech Support > > ========== > Unfortunately sourcing another starter just to try is infeasible. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:09 AM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting Hi Neal That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct drive. No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter involves partially removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to avoid if possible. Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am? > On Jun 18, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Alec Myers wrote: > > Hi Neal > > Tha > >> On Jun 18, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Neal George wrote: >> >> >> Alec - >> Which starter motor is on your engine? >> If it is an ISKRA, you should take it out of service. Replace the starter adapter while you're at it - it is probably damages as well. ISKRA starters feature a planetary gear train that is subject to magnetization and binding. Catastrophic engine failure from starter adapter failure is a real possibility. >> >> I have a starter motor I'll let you borrow... >> >> Neal >> Continental Motors Tech Support >> >> ========== >> Unfortunately sourcing another starter just to try is infeasible. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:26 PM PST US From: Neal George Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting Canada and the cost/aggravation of Customs makes it tough. If you have a Hartzell Energizer, the probability of the starter motor being the problem is low unless it has been badly abused. Pull the motor and take it to your local automotive alternator & starter repair shop - they ought to be able to test it. Neal -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Alec Myers Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:50 AM Hi Neal That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct drive. No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter involves partially removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to avoid if possible. Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:16 PM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting . . . never tell an "auto" shop that a part is off an aircraft. . .! Tell them it is off a boat, tractor, etc. !! Most shops in US have a built alarm system that they cannot "touch" anything off of an aircraft, even to test it. . . Maybe the same in Canada. . . . Dave _____________________________________________________________________- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal George" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:09 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting > > > Canada and the cost/aggravation of Customs makes it tough. > > If you have a Hartzell Energizer, the probability of the starter motor > being the problem is low unless it has been badly abused. Pull the motor > and take it to your local automotive alternator & starter repair shop - > they ought to be able to test it. > > Neal > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Alec Myers > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:50 AM > > > Hi Neal > > That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct > drive. No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter > involves partially removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to > avoid if possible. Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am? > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:30 PM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Problem with starting It's an Energiser 12, with a TCM label. Is it possible that an intermittent open-circuit in the armature could cause this? If the rotor goes open circuit the motor stops, the back EMF disappears and the current rises, just like if the motor was stalled. That would draw a lot of current, right? I had the motor overhauled already this last week, after first seeing the problem. Perhaps they missed the fault, but when I take it back it would be good to know what to suggest, especially if looking for something intermittent. On Jun 18, 2016, at 15:09, Neal George wrote: Canada and the cost/aggravation of Customs makes it tough. If you have a Hartzell Energizer, the probability of the starter motor being the problem is low unless it has been badly abused. Pull the motor and take it to your local automotive alternator & starter repair shop - they ought to be able to test it. Neal -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Alec Myers Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:50 AM Hi Neal That's very kind! The motor is an original Continental heavy one - direct drive. No evidence of slipping in the adapter. Changing the adapter involves partially removing the engine to gain clearance which I'd like to avoid if possible. Can you get me a stater to borrow to Canada where I am? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.