Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:17 AM - Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes (Werner Schneider)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes (Peter Pengilly)
3. 04:29 AM - Re: Bendix King KY97A Tuning Problem (jnmeade)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: Bendix King KY97A Tuning Problem (racerjerry)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure (Charlie England)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes (Lyle Peterson)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Bendix King KY97A Tuning Problem (Charlie England)
8. 07:07 AM - Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure (erich weaver)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure (C&K)
11. 10:24 AM - Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes (William Hunter)
12. 10:45 AM - Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure (user9253)
13. 10:59 AM - Re: New smartphone app for pilots (rampil)
14. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: New smartphone app for pilots (Robert Borger)
15. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: New smartphone app for pilots (John Tipton)
16. 12:31 PM - Re: New smartphone app for pilots (rampil)
17. 02:55 PM - Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure (erich weaver)
18. 11:02 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:05 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes |
There is a very narrative report from a glider in the UK, which was hit
by lightning and disintegrated, in the same report a helicopter with
carbon fiber blades is described as well.
http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~cline/ASK%20lightning%20strike/ASK%20accident%20report.htm
For my feeling stay away from possible lightning ;)
Cheers Werner
On 01.07.2016 01:37, William Hunter wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> There is a discussion brewing on the Velocity Owners Builders Association
> about composite aircraft and lightning strikes.
>
> ........
>
> -Does anyone know of any lightning strike incidents to composite aircraft
> and if so what damage to the aircraft structure/components have occurred?
>
> -
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes |
Read the AAIB report, aircraft was in good VMC. The energy of the strike
meant that no protection would have made any difference. The control rods
melted - nothing much could be done about that...
On 1 Jul 2016 8:30 a.m., "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
>
> There is a very narrative report from a glider in the UK, which was hit by
> lightning and disintegrated, in the same report a helicopter with carbon
> fiber blades is described as well.
>
>
> http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~cline/ASK%20lightning%20strike/ASK%20accident%20report.htm
>
> For my feeling stay away from possible lightning ;)
>
> Cheers Werner
>
>
> On 01.07.2016 01:37, William Hunter wrote:
>
>> billhuntersemail@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> There is a discussion brewing on the Velocity Owners Builders Association
>> about composite aircraft and lightning strikes.
>>
>> ........
>>
>> -Does anyone know of any lightning strike incidents to composite aircraft
>> and if so what damage to the aircraft structure/components have occurred?
>>
>> -
>>
>
>
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Bendix King KY97A Tuning Problem |
I did check the knob and it is securely on the shaft, but thanks for the reminder.
When one turns the knob, there is a distinctive aural and tactical click.
Sometimes the display updates and sometimes it doesn't. The display always
indicates the true frequency, so this may be a mechanical issue. I've moved the
knob enough that I'm confident it is not a dirty wiper.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457582#457582
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Bendix King KY97A Tuning Problem |
I searched for a KY97A Maintenance / Overhaul manual (not install manual) availability
on the web that might help you out. I found this manual preview for KY
96/97 that enables you to view all pages (scroll down to view each page) and
also has a magnifier to view detail. This requires some WORK, but the entire
manual appears to be viewable along with parts list.
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/835245/Bendixking-Ky-96a.html?
--------
Jerry King
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457583#457583
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure |
No argument on those points, but if the contents of the document are
artifacts from 'the bad old days'.....
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> If it's a PM style alternator, and the regulator is a shunt style
> regulator, and breaking that C-B connection removes the shunt load, then I
> can see how the regulator might be damaged. If the regulator
> sensing/control semiconductors are still connected to the alternator output
> but the shunt *isn't*, then the alternator could well be able to create a
> high enough voltage to exceed the max voltage ratings of the devices.
>
>
> Nobody has built a shunt style regulator in
> a very long time. A few small systems on motor
> bikes and snowmobiles popularized the simple
> design but the B&C regulators have never been
> shunt . . . the alleged schematic of the Ducatti
> R/R is also a series regulator.
>
> They are manufactured as a spares item but better
> regulators are so easy to design, there's no reason
> to stay with shunt style.
>
> Having the shunt *in* the circuit would ensure that the voltage never got
> that high.
>
>
> but it WOULD drive internal energy dissipation
> to the max and, give the demonstrably poor
> thermal management of many designs, could
> toast the device. But I'm pretty sure
> nobody builds/offers that control philosophy to
> on the product we're using.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes |
On 6/30/2016 9:04 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> the problem worse (as a lightning rod on a
>
>
>> -Are there any techniques or design considerations that would
>> mitigate the
>> chance of lightning strikes on the composite aircraft and/or the damage
>> being done should the aircraft be hit?
>
> Yeah, it's called staying the @#$@ away from
> areas for which no practical invincability can
> be demonstrated. This included lightning, ice,
> high winds, hail, etc.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
ROTFLMAO
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Bendix King KY97A Tuning Problem |
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:27 AM, jnmeade <jnmeade@southslope.net> wrote:
> >
>
> I did check the knob and it is securely on the shaft, but thanks for the
> reminder. When one turns the knob, there is a distinctive aural and
> tactical click. Sometimes the display updates and sometimes it doesn't.
> The display always indicates the true frequency, so this may be a
> mechanical issue. I've moved the knob enough that I'm confident it is not
> a dirty wiper.
>
> As someone who was an electronics tech back in another life (in the epoch
when that radio was probably designed), I can tell you that you might be
over-confident. :-) Some corrosion issues on switch contacts or controls
just cannot be wiped away by switch action. Or even contact cleaner, in
some cases.
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes |
At 01:35 AM 7/1/2016, you wrote:
>Before getting really wound up about lightning protection first
>understand the risk and then figure the mitigation. Look at the
>accident statistics- how many light aircraft have been struck by
>lightning and not survived? The answer is very, very few - in the US
>and in Europe. For whatever reason. Thunderstorms kill many people
>but lightning does not. My conclusion is that airframe lightning
>protection is not worthwhile. Thunderstorm protection is difficult
>so I avoid them.
Excellent point . . . Similarly, few engines
stop cold because of mechanical or electrical
failure. The majority of 'engine trouble' on
airplanes is fuel exhaustion. The moral of the
story is that the pilot is the weakest link in
the chain of risk for operating an airplane.
Static wicks (also a topic of this thread)
are another matter. They go to a more mundane
issue . . . radio noise and miscellaneous damage
to systems.
The windshields in many high performance airplanes
are vulnerable to the high voltage discharge
often observed around the edges of a window
frame. When that window is fitted with embedded
heater wires, replacement can be VERY expensive.
I thing the price tag on a GP180 window was around
$20K in 1980 dollars.
There have been many experiments with aircraft
finishes and shapes conducted to understand how
static electricity can be better managed on
high performance aircraft.
Not all static wicks are the same. Walk around
the ramp and check out the variations you'll find.
I recall John Cooper, head cheese of our EMC lab
building a fixture to survey static wick performance.
Various samples being tested might vary as much as
3:1 with respect to their 'conductivity'.
Once you identify a 'good' wick design, then finding
the 'right' place to install them was another
grand experiment. And this was on all metal
aircraft. Airplanes of glass and plastic are
another matter. Imagine how you might modify
a glass rod (used to demonstrate static electricity
phenomenon in physics class) to dampen if not
eliminate it's ability to stand up the hairs
on your cat.
Further, your successful technique cannot materially
change structural characteristics, it must be
durable, and it cannot add too much cost.
If anyone discovers some literature
describing successful application of static wicks
to plastic/glass/carbon aircraft . . . I'd REALLY
like to read it.
Bob . . .
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure |
[quote="nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect"]At 08:13 AM 6/30/2016, you wrote:
>
> In the mean time, as long
> as you don't hit the alternator with a really BIG load
> (which few system are capable of doing anyhow), the
> modern alternator runs self-excited and benefits immeasurably
> from battery presence with respect to noise.
Just to clarify, did you really mean "benefits immeasurably"? I think maybe the
opposite.
Immeasurable: Too large, extensive or extreme to measure.
regards,
Erich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457589#457589
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure |
I refrained from commenting on interpretation but I was also stunned to
see Bob (my guru of "get the numbers so we can understand it") use the
word "immeasurably" ;)
just poking fun...
Ken
do not archive
On 01/07/2016 11:48 AM, erich weaver wrote:
>
> [quote="nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect"]At 08:13 AM 6/30/2016, you wrote:
>
>>
>> In the mean time, as long
>> as you don't hit the alternator with a really BIG load
>> (which few system are capable of doing anyhow), the
>> modern alternator runs self-excited and benefits immeasurably
>> from battery presence with respect to noise.
>
> Just to clarify, did you really mean "benefits immeasurably"? I think maybe
the opposite.
>
> Immeasurable: Too large, extensive or extreme to measure.
>
> regards,
> Erich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457589#457589
>
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Composite Aircraft and Lightning Strikes |
Hi All,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!! Very good information and I will be passing the
information on to the VOBA Forum.
Bill Hunter
+1 408-464-1902
On Jul 1, 2016 7:14 AM, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> At 01:35 AM 7/1/2016, you wrote:
>
> Before getting really wound up about lightning protection first understand
> the risk and then figure the mitigation. Look at the accident statistics-
> how many light aircraft have been struck by lightning and not survived? The
> answer is very, very few - in the US and in Europe. For whatever reason.
> Thunderstorms kill many people but lightning does not. My conclusion is
> that airframe lightning protection is not worthwhile. Thunderstorm
> protection is difficult so I avoid them.
>
>
> Excellent point . . . Similarly, few engines
> stop cold because of mechanical or electrical
> failure. The majority of 'engine trouble' on
> airplanes is fuel exhaustion. The moral of the
> story is that the pilot is the weakest link in
> the chain of risk for operating an airplane.
>
> Static wicks (also a topic of this thread)
> are another matter. They go to a more mundane
> issue . . . radio noise and miscellaneous damage
> to systems.
>
> The windshields in many high performance airplanes
> are vulnerable to the high voltage discharge
> often observed around the edges of a window
> frame. When that window is fitted with embedded
> heater wires, replacement can be VERY expensive.
> I thing the price tag on a GP180 window was around
> $20K in 1980 dollars.
>
> There have been many experiments with aircraft
> finishes and shapes conducted to understand how
> static electricity can be better managed on
> high performance aircraft.
>
> Not all static wicks are the same. Walk around
> the ramp and check out the variations you'll find.
> I recall John Cooper, head cheese of our EMC lab
> building a fixture to survey static wick performance.
> Various samples being tested might vary as much as
> 3:1 with respect to their 'conductivity'.
>
> Once you identify a 'good' wick design, then finding
> the 'right' place to install them was another
> grand experiment. And this was on all metal
> aircraft. Airplanes of glass and plastic are
> another matter. Imagine how you might modify
> a glass rod (used to demonstrate static electricity
> phenomenon in physics class) to dampen if not
> eliminate it's ability to stand up the hairs
> on your cat.
>
> Further, your successful technique cannot materially
> change structural characteristics, it must be
> durable, and it cannot add too much cost.
>
> If anyone discovers some literature
> describing successful application of static wicks
> to plastic/glass/carbon aircraft . . . I'd REALLY
> like to read it.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure |
"Benefits immeasurably" can be interpreted two ways:
Benefits are so small that they can not be measured.
Benefits are so greats that no scale exists to measure them.
Judging by his ending statement, I assume that he meant the benefits are very small.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457594#457594
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New smartphone app for pilots |
Hi All,
Just a very quick note to let you know that the revised version of avAltimeter
is now available from the Apple App Store.
The new revision allows QNH entry in millibars and Altitude reading in Feet
Also, I caught and squashed a nasty little bug which might have caused crashing.
Cheers
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457596#457596
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New smartphone app for pilots |
Ira,
Just updated. Nice app, easy to use and it provides useful information.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, rampil <ira.rampil@gmail.com> wrote:
>
<ira.rampil@gmail.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just a very quick note to let you know that the revised version of
avAltimeter
> is now available from the Apple App Store.
>
> The new revision allows QNH entry in millibars and Altitude reading in
Feet
>
> Also, I caught and squashed a nasty little bug which might have caused
crashing.
>
> Cheers
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New smartphone app for pilots |
Strange: can't find it ---
Sent from my iPad
----x--O--x----
> On 1 Jul 2016, at 07:28 pm, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Ira,
>
> Just updated. Nice app, easy to use and it provides useful information.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, rampil <ira.rampil@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a very quick note to let you know that the revised version of avAlti
meter
>> is now available from the Apple App Store.
>>
>> The new revision allows QNH entry in millibars and Altitude reading in Fe
et
>>
>> Also, I caught and squashed a nasty little bug which might have caused cr
ashing.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> --------
>> Ira N224XS
==========================
==========================
==========================
-=========================
==========================
-=========================
==========================
==========================
====================
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New smartphone app for pilots |
Hi John!
If you searched for it via your iPad, it probably will not be visible.
None of the iPads extent to this point have the Baro chip, so
I selected iPhone only. The app actually runs on an iPad or older
iPhone, but when it fails to detect the Bosch chip, it sets a pressure
of zero. Not much I can do about it, sorry.
If you were searching from your phone, it is conceivable
that the latest version 1.0.4 did not make it to Apple's
Server farms across the pond yet.
Please let me know if you still have issues.
Ira
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457606#457606
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hypothetical Battery Contactor Failure |
Right, and many believe that a battery DOES provide great benefit with respect
to buffering electrical noise, so thought it would be important to clarify That
Bob does not believe that to be the case.
Thanks
E
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457616#457616
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.
The
complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm
************************************************************
******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains AeroElectric-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the AeroElectric-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the AeroElectric-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
*****************************
*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "aeroelectric-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the AeroElectric-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aeroelectric-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all AeroElectric-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the AeroElectric-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* AeroElectric-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
-------
[This is an automated posting.]
do not archive
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
-------
[This is an automated posting.]
do not archive
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|