---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/19/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:16 AM - Re: Off Topic: Outboard Motor Tachometer (Tundra10) 2. 10:53 AM - FAA issues rules for drones (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 12:22 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Art Zemon) 4. 02:52 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 03:46 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Jim Baker) 6. 03:55 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (rayj) 7. 04:21 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Charlie England) 8. 04:56 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Ryan Brown) 9. 05:16 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Charlie England) 10. 05:41 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Ryan Brown) 11. 09:57 PM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (rayj) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:55 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Off Topic: Outboard Motor Tachometer From: "Tundra10" Charlie, The Arduino is a requirement :-) The boat already has a nice digital tach for the driver to use. The Arduino board is going to automatically set the trim of the motor based on rpm. The code is written, it just needs to be able to sense the rpms. Very ingenious idea using the microphone jack as the input for a phone-based oscilloscope. I will have to try that sometime, although for this project, an extension cord is probably faster, since the behavior of the phone-oscilloscope would need to be validated. Thanks, Jeff Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458365#458365 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:50 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones This tid-bit just came across my subscription list for keeping at least one finger on the pulse of aviation technologies . . . http://tinyurl.com/hmque42 or if one wishes, here is the link in all of its glory . . . http://insights.globalspec.com/article/2907/faa-finalizes-first-operational-rules-for-commercial-drones?id=%2D887316466&uh'f904&email=bob%2Enuckolls%40aeroelectric%2Ecom&md=160719&mh=3fd1db&Vol=Vol16Issue29&Pub=1&LinkId=1807403&keyword=link%5F1807403&et_rid=937208063&et_mid=83127407&frmtrk=newsletter&cid=nl Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:36 PM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones Hi Bob, Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said anything in the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before I click on a link. BTW, most of the link that you posted can be eliminated. All you really need is this: http://insights.globalspec.com/article/2907/faa-finalizes-first-operational-rules-for-commercial-drones The rest of the URL is tracking code so that GlobalSpec can track their marketing efforts. Generally speaking, you can eliminate everything from the "?" to the end. In this case, you can drop "?id=%2D887316466&uh'f904&email=bob%2Enuckolls%40aeroelectric%2Ecom&md=160719&mh=3fd1db&Vol=Vol16Issue29&Pub=1&LinkId=1807403&keyword=link%5F1807403&et_rid=937208063&et_mid=83127407&frmtrk=newsletter&cid=nl" -- Art Z. -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:00 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote: >Hi Bob, > >Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said anything >in the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before >I click on a link. Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I intend . . . I think the real risks come from the scripts that pour down from some websites . . . I've captured some of those scripts; the links they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an agile malware firewall more than anything else. Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much value but know too that I went there before you. As always, each to his own policies and procedures. If anything I post incites trepidation, one is well advised to ignore the link . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:17 PM PST US From: Jim Baker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones Should have just said Emacs. Jim Baker 405 426 5377 -----Original Message----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:50 Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones --=====================_168780906==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote: >Hi Bob, > >Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said anything >in the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before >I click on a link. Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I intend . . . I think the real risks come from the scripts that pour down from some websites . . . I've captured some of those scripts; the links they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an agile malware firewall more than anything else. Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much value but know too that I went there before you. As always, each to his own policies and procedures. If anything I post incites trepidation, one is well advised to ignore the link . . . Bob . . . --=====================_168780906==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote:
Hi Bob,

Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said anything in the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before I click on a link.

  Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension
  on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones
  I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I
  intend . . . I think the real risks come from the
  scripts that pour down from some websites . . .   
  I've captured some of those scripts; the links
  they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an
  agile malware firewall more than anything else.
  Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much
  value but know too that I went there before you.

  As always, each to his own policies and procedures.
  If anything I post incites trepidation, one is
  well advised to ignore the link . . .  


  Bob . . . --=====================_168780906==.ALT-- --=====================_168780906==.ALT-- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones From: rayj I think the point that DJ Merrill was making was that it is trivially easy to make an email on this list look as if it came from you, while it's actual sender is unidentified in the email. Consequently a link in an email that appears to be from you may pose a risk. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) On 07/19/2016 04:50 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> >> Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said anything in >> the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before I >> click on a link. > > Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension > on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones > I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I > intend . . . I think the real risks come from the > scripts that pour down from some websites . . . > I've captured some of those scripts; the links > they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an > agile malware firewall more than anything else. > Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much > value but know too that I went there before you. > > As always, each to his own policies and procedures. > If anything I post incites trepidation, one is > well advised to ignore the link . . . > > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones From: Charlie England RXhhY3RseS4gV2l0aCBub3RoaW5nIGJ1dCB0aGUgY3JpcHRpYyAnZG9jIGZpbGVzJyBpbiB0aGUg aGVhZGVyLCB0aGVyZSB3YXMgbm90aGluZyB0byBjb252aW5jZSB0aGF0IGl0IHdhc24ndCBhIHNj YW1tZXIgcG9zaW5nIGFzIEJvYi4KCjxkaXY+LS0tLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgbWVzc2FnZSAtLS0t LS0tLTwvZGl2PjxkaXY+RnJvbTogcmF5aiA8cmF5bW9uZGpAZnJvbnRpZXJuZXQubmV0PiA8L2Rp dj48ZGl2PkRhdGU6MDcvMTkvMjAxNiAgNTo1MyBQTSAgKEdNVC0wNjowMCkgPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5U bzogYWVyb2VsZWN0cmljLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlN1YmplY3Q6IFJl 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PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KCgoK ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:31 PM PST US From: Ryan Brown Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones Except it said "doc flies", which is something Bob has been taking about. On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 5:27 PM Charlie England wrote: > Exactly. With nothing but the criptic 'doc files' in the header, there was > nothing to convince that it wasn't a scammer posing as Bob. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: rayj > Date:07/19/2016 5:53 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones > > > I think the point that DJ Merrill was making was that it is trivially > easy to make an email on this list look as if it came from you, while > it's actual sender is unidentified in the email. Consequently a link in > an email that appears to be from you may pose a risk. > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, > understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. > And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, > egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men > admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. > -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) > > On 07/19/2016 04:50 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote: > >> Hi Bob, > >> > >> Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said anything in > >> the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before I > >> click on a link. > > > > Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension > > on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones > > I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I > > intend . . . I think the real risks come from the > > scripts that pour down from some websites . . . > > I've captured some of those scripts; the links > > they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an > > agile malware firewall more than anything else. > > Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much > > value but know too that I went there before you. > > > > As always, each to his own policies and procedures. > > If anything I post incites trepidation, one is > > well advised to ignore the link . . . > > > > > > Bob . . . > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones From: Charlie England The very first email in my inbox with that subject line, was the one that contained only the shortened link in the body of the email. So, no context for me. Perhaps there were other messages on the web forum that didn't make it to email subscribers, but I had no way to know that 'doc files' was an ongoing subject line. Charlie On 7/19/2016 6:54 PM, Ryan Brown wrote: > > Except it said "doc flies", which is something Bob has been taking about. > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 5:27 PM Charlie England > wrote: > > Exactly. With nothing but the criptic 'doc files' in the header, > there was nothing to convince that it wasn't a scammer posing as Bob. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: rayj > Date:07/19/2016 5:53 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones > > > > > I think the point that DJ Merrill was making was that it is trivially > easy to make an email on this list look as if it came from you, while > it's actual sender is unidentified in the email. Consequently a > link in > an email that appears to be from you may pose a risk. > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, > honesty, > understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our > system. > And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, > meanness, > egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men > admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. > -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) > > On 07/19/2016 04:50 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote: > >> Hi Bob, > >> > >> Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said > anything in > >> the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before I > >> click on a link. > > > > Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension > > on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones > > I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I > > intend . . . I think the real risks come from the > > scripts that pour down from some websites . . . > > I've captured some of those scripts; the links > > they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an > > agile malware firewall more than anything else. > > Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much > > value but know too that I went there before you. > > > > As always, each to his own policies and procedures. > > If anything I post incites trepidation, one is > > well advised to ignore the link . . . > > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List< - > MATRON> > http://wiki.ma > - List Contributi gt; > htt > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:07 PM PST US From: Ryan Brown Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones My point was that the subject is about flying not filing. 'doc fLIes' not fILes. Downloading a file with no information is certainly dangerous, but clicking on a link in an aviation related email from an aviation forum didn't seem very risky. On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 6:25 PM Charlie England wrote: > The very first email in my inbox with that subject line, was the one that > contained only the shortened link in the body of the email. > > So, no context for me. Perhaps there were other messages on the web forum > that didn't make it to email subscribers, but I had no way to know that > 'doc files' was an ongoing subject line. > > Charlie > > > On 7/19/2016 6:54 PM, Ryan Brown wrote: > > Except it said "doc flies", which is something Bob has been taking about. > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 5:27 PM Charlie England > wrote: > > Exactly. With nothing but the criptic 'doc files' in the header, there wa s >> nothing to convince that it wasn't a scammer posing as Bob. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: rayj >> Date:07/19/2016 5:53 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones >> >> >> I think the point that DJ Merrill was making was that it is trivially >> easy to make an email on this list look as if it came from you, while >> it's actual sender is unidentified in the email. Consequently a link in >> an email that appears to be from you may pose a risk. >> >> Raymond Julian >> Kettle River, MN >> >> The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, >> understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. >> And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, >> egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men >> admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. >> -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) >> >> On 07/19/2016 04:50 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: >> > At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote: >> >> Hi Bob, >> >> >> >> Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said anything i n >> >> the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land before I >> >> click on a link. >> > >> > Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension >> > on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones >> > I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I >> > intend . . . I think the real risks come from the >> > scripts that pour down from some websites . . . >> > I've captured some of those scripts; the links >> > they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an >> > agile malware firewall more than anything else. >> > Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much >> > value but know too that I went there before you. >> > >> > As always, each to his own policies and procedures. >> > If anything I post incites trepidation, one is >> > well advised to ignore the link . . . >> > > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List< - >> MATRON> http://wik i.ma=EF=BD >> - List Contributi gt; >> htt >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones From: rayj Well, it wouldn't be that hard to hijack Bob's name and a subject line that had been used. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) On 07/19/2016 07:39 PM, Ryan Brown wrote: > My point was that the subject is about flying not filing. 'doc fLIes' > not fILes. > Downloading a file with no information is certainly dangerous, but > clicking on a link in an aviation related email from an aviation forum > didn't seem very risky. > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 6:25 PM Charlie England > wrote: > > The very first email in my inbox with that subject line, was the one > that contained only the shortened link in the body of the email. > > So, no context for me. Perhaps there were other messages on the web > forum that didn't make it to email subscribers, but I had no way to > know that 'doc files' was an ongoing subject line. > > Charlie > > > On 7/19/2016 6:54 PM, Ryan Brown wrote: >> >> Except it said "doc flies", which is something Bob has been taking >> about. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 5:27 PM Charlie England >> > wrote: >> >> Exactly. With nothing but the criptic 'doc files' in the >> header, there was nothing to convince that it wasn't a scammer >> posing as Bob. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: rayj >> Date:07/19/2016 5:53 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones >> >> > >> >> I think the point that DJ Merrill was making was that it is >> trivially >> easy to make an email on this list look as if it came from >> you, while >> it's actual sender is unidentified in the email. Consequently >> a link in >> an email that appears to be from you may pose a risk. >> >> Raymond Julian >> Kettle River, MN >> >> The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, >> openness, honesty, >> understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in >> our system. >> And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, >> meanness, >> egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while >> men >> admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the >> second. >> -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) >> >> On 07/19/2016 04:50 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: >> > At 02:21 PM 7/19/2016, you wrote: >> >> Hi Bob, >> >> >> >> Thank you for posting the real URL. Though I have not said >> anything in >> >> the past, I very much appreciate knowing where I will land >> before I >> >> click on a link. >> > >> > Understand . . . but I've been using the tinyurl extension >> > on my browsers since the beginning. I check the ones >> > I embed into my emails to make sure they go where I >> > intend . . . I think the real risks come from the >> > scripts that pour down from some websites . . . >> > I've captured some of those scripts; the links >> > they can contain are many and cryptic. You need an >> > agile malware firewall more than anything else. >> > Knowing the name of the host website isn't of much >> > value but know too that I went there before you. >> > >> > As always, each to his own policies and procedures. >> > If anything I post incites trepidation, one is >> > well advised to ignore the link . . . >> >> > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List< - >> MATRON> >> http://wiki.ma >> - List Contributi gt; >> htt >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.