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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Check My Soldering (Art Zemon)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Check My Soldering (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 06:11 AM - Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Art Zemon)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: Check My Soldering (Art Zemon)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Kelly McMullen)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Art Zemon)
7. 08:38 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Daniel Hooper)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Neal George)
9. 09:56 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (user9253)
10. 10:03 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 10:13 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (ashleysc@broadstripe.net)
12. 10:21 AM - Mate-n-Lok terminals (Carlos Trigo)
13. 10:22 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 10:25 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 11:40 AM - Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals (Kent or Jackie Ashton)
16. 01:06 PM - Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals (ARGOLDMAN@aol.com)
17. 01:28 PM - Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals (Robert McCallum)
18. 04:15 PM - (James Robinson)
19. 05:38 PM - Intermittent Battery Failure (user9253)
20. 06:29 PM - Re: Intermittent Battery Failure (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
21. 06:37 PM - Re: Intermittent Battery Failure (user9253)
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| Subject: | Re: Check My Soldering |
Folks,
Once again, thank you for your advice. I passed a minor milestone in my
airplane project on Monday evening, building the first wiring components. I
cut off the two splices that I showed you earlier, where I had interleaved
the strands. I redid them from scratch. See photos at the bottom of this
page on my blog:
https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2016/07/19/physical-electrical-considerations-when-mounting-avionics/
Cheers,
-- Art Z.
--
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*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
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| Subject: | Re: Check My Soldering |
>I redid them from scratch. See photos at the
>bottom of this page on my blog:=C2
><https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2016/07/19/physical-electrical-consideratio
ns-when-mounting-avionics/>https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2016/07/19/physica
l-electrical-considerations-when-mounting-avionics/
Look'n good! Know what you mean about the heat . . .
living 100 miles from civilization makes quick/n/cheerful
a/c services problematic. I've become an ad hoc
service tech for my own systems and those of some
neighbors. My house machine is again humming nicely
but I'm getting ready to saddle up and service a
the second of two machines in Sun City . . . and
I'm waiting on a part for the a/c in my truck!
There can be a down-side to possession of skills and
too many tools . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
Moving from the middle of the wire to the end... I want FastOn terminals.
Since I am soldering other stuff, I have no qualms about soldering here,
too. Is this the right part?
=8B
Do I crimp then solder then cover with heat shrink? Which crimper tool? Or
should I do something else entirely?
Is 0.250 inch the right size or should I wait until I buy my fuse blocks
and switches to be sure?
Thanks,
-- Art Z.
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*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
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| Subject: | Re: Check My Soldering |
I can't tell you how many times I have wished for one of those T-shirts
that says,
NO I WON"T FIX YOUR COMPUTER
<sigh>
-- Art Z.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
>
> Look'n good! Know what you mean about the heat . . .
> living 100 miles from civilization makes quick/n/cheerful
> a/c services problematic. I've become an ad hoc
> service tech for my own systems and those of some
> neighbors. My house machine is again humming nicely
> but I'm getting ready to saddle up and service a
> the second of two machines in Sun City . . . and
> I'm waiting on a part for the a/c in my truck!
>
> There can be a down-side to possession of skills and
> too many tools . . .
>
--
http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ <http://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/>
*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
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| Subject: | Re: FAA issues rules for drones |
There is an option in TinyUrl to create a preview link so that anyone
can see where the link will take them.
On 7/19/2016 9:54 PM, rayj wrote:
>
> Well, it wouldn't be that hard to hijack Bob's name and a subject line
> that had been used.
>
> Raymond Julian
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
One more question: for uninsulated FastOn terminals, can I safely buy from
the local electronics store or is this like insulated crimp connectors
where I have to watch what I get because cheap automotive-grade parts use
materials which are less-than-ideal for aviation?
-- Art Z.
--
http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ <http://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/>
*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
This is a related but different question:
Bob, others, what do you use to crimp fully insulated Ultra Fast or
Ultra Fast Plus terminals? Or is there another non-TE terminal that you
prefer?
( I ask because if you DO try to crimp an Ultra Fast with the common
PIDG crimper, it will barely work! )
=94Daniel
> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>
> One more question: for uninsulated FastOn terminals, can I safely buy
from the local electronics store or is this like insulated crimp
connectors where I have to watch what I get because cheap
automotive-grade parts use materials which are less-than-ideal for
aviation?
>
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ <http://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/>
>
> "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself,
what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
Art -
Get your crimper and terminals from SteinAir.
www.steinair.com
Neal George
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> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>
> One more question: for uninsulated FastOn terminals, can I safely buy from
the local electronics store or is this like insulated crimp connectors wher
e I have to watch what I get because cheap automotive-grade parts use materi
als which are less-than-ideal for aviation?
>
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>
> "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a
m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
A concern with terminals, whether crimped or soldered, is the wire breaking from
vibration. Most people crimp terminals because it does not make the wire stiff,
which will lead to eventual breaking. However, a terminal can be soldered
as long as the solder does not wick under the wire insulation. The terminal
should clamp around the wire insulation. Heat shrink may be added for more support.
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Joe Gores
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
At 08:09 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote:
>Moving from the middle of the wire to the end...
>I want FastOn terminals. Since I am soldering
>other stuff, I have no qualms about soldering
>here, too. Is this the right part?
>
>[]
>
>=8B
>Do I crimp then solder then cover with heat
>shrink? Which crimper tool? Or should I do something else entirely?
>
>Is 0.250 inch the right size or should I wait
>until I buy my fuse blocks and switches to be sure?
.250 is the 95% common choice but
why not these terminals?
Emacs!
You can find them on Digikey at http://tinyurl.com/hkws5dw
These are the premium fast-on parts.
The terminals you've cited can be installed with the
B&C open barrel crimp tool http://tinyurl.com/hxa9wey
This article speaks to the technique for using the two-crimp
tool on sheet metal pins http://tinyurl.com/9c444zm
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
Yes, Bob;
Indeed, why not. Just what I was about to start looking for.
Cheers!=C2-=C2- Stu.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:02:00 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals
At 08:09 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote:
Moving from the middle of the wire to the end... I want FastOn terminals. S
ince I am soldering other stuff, I have no qualms about soldering here, too
. Is this the right part?
=C3=A2=82=AC=B9
Do I crimp then solder then cover with heat shrink? Which crimper tool? Or
should I do something else entirely?
Is 0.250 inch the right size or should I wait until I buy my fuse blocks an
d switches to be sure?
=C2- .250 is the 95% common choice but
=C2- why not these terminals?
=C2-=C2- You can find them on Digikey at http://tinyurl.com/hkws5dw
=C2-=C2- These are the premium fast-on parts.
=C2-=C2- The terminals you've cited can be installed with the
=C2-=C2- B&C=C2- open barrel crimp tool=C2- http://tinyurl.com/hxa9
wey
=C2-=C2- This article speaks to the technique for using the two-crimp
=C2-=C2- tool on sheet metal pins=C2- http://tinyurl.com/9c444zm
=C2- Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Mate-n-Lok terminals |
Guys
Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminals
discussions, I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple
terminals like this
Which one is the male and which one is the female?
In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed?
Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat), or are
they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)?
Thanks
Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
At 10:36 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote:
>This is a related but different question:
>
>Bob, others, what do you use to crimp fully
>insulated Ultra Fast or Ultra Fast Plus
>terminals? Or is there another non-TE terminal that you prefer?
>
>( I ask because if you DO try to crimp an Ultra
>Fast with the common PIDG crimper, it will barely work! )
>
>=97Daniel
What is the ultra-fast product. That'a a new
one on me.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals |
At 10:36 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote:
>This is a related but different question:
>
>Bob, others, what do you use to crimp fully
>insulated Ultra Fast or Ultra Fast Plus
>terminals? Or is there another non-TE terminal that you prefer?
>
>( I ask because if you DO try to crimp an Ultra
>Fast with the common PIDG crimper, it will barely work! )
>
>=97Daniel
What is the ultra-fast product. That'a a new
one on me.
OH . . . yeah . . . THOSE things. I think they're
in the plasti-grip family . . . no metalic insulation
grip. No doubt there is a terminal-friendly too
for this product line. My personal choice would
be to stick with PIDG or their competitive clones
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals |
Are you familiar with Anderson Powerpole Connectors? If not, you might want to
check them out. I might have seen them mentioned before on this list but if
you havent read about them . . .
http://w8kvk.com/nc4l/page12/Powerpole_Benefits.pdf
https://powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpole-connectors-30amp-bonded?gclid=cpuw3-vvgs4cfue2gqodzaaj-q
There are some good Youtubes on them, too.
Sorry I did not answer your question! :-)
-Kent
> On Jul 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
> Guys
>
> Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminals discussions,
I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple terminals
like this
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> Which one is the male and which one is the female?
> In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed?
>
> Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat), or are
they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)?
>
> Thanks
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals |
They are basically Unisex-- you can put the contacts in either housing.
I
think it is best to put the females in the part that has the exposed
tubing and the males in the other part.
One thing that I have done when using multiple similar sized housing is to
take one of the contact sets and reverse it so that in that housing (and
it's mate) it cannot be confused with any others. In my setup I have 2 15
pin
mate-n-locks in the same area. This arrangement precludes error. Being
somewhat paranoid, I not only crimp the connectors on the wire (using the
appropriate crimper) but I solder each and use heat-shrink tubing on each
.
Attached is a view of the spiderweb with the connectors.
Rich
In a message dated 7/20/2016 11:41:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
kjashton@vnet.net writes:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kent or Jackie Ashton
<kjashton@vnet.net>
Are you familiar with Anderson Powerpole Connectors? If not, you might
want to check them out. I might have seen them mentioned before on this
list
but if you haven=99t read about them . . .
http://w8kvk.com/nc4l/page12/Powerpole_Benefits.pdf
https://powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpole-connectors-30amp-bonded?gclid=c
puw3
-vvgs4cfue2gqodzaaj-q
There are some good Youtubes on them, too.
Sorry I did not answer your question! :-)
-Kent
> On Jul 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote
:
>
> Guys
>
> Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminal
s
discussions, I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple
terminals like this
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> Which one is the male and which one is the female?
> In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed
?
>
> Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat),
or
are they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)?
>
> Thanks
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals |
The male pins are the ones which fits inside the female. The female pins ar
e the
ones which surrounds the male. Most mate-n-lock housings will take either m
ale
or female connections or even a mixture of both so that unique connectors c
an be
created which will not permit incorrect connection even if there are multip
le
similar connector bodies present together.
Depending upon which size or series mate-n-locks you have they are certainl
y
capable of carrying Pitot loads and accepting 12 AWG wire. Check the series
you
have against the rating sheets for wire size and current rating as there ar
e
several sizes and ratings available.
Bob McC
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
> Date: July 20, 2016 at 1:20 PM
>
>
>
> Guys
> =C2-
> Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminals
> discussions, I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple
> terminals like this
> =C2-
>
> =C2-
> Which one is the male and which one is the female?
> In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed?
> =C2-
> Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat), or
are
> they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)?
> =C2-
> Thanks
> Carlos
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plz remove me from the list
=C2-James Robinson
Glasair lll N79R
Spanish Fork UT U77
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| Subject: | Intermittent Battery Failure |
The first symptoms appeared a couple of weeks ago. The Dynon D-180 rebooted during
decent when the engine was idling. (My D-180 does not have a backup battery
installed.) It happened again a few days later. My first thought was that
the 6-year-old PC680 battery needed charging. But I dismissed that theory because
the D-180 only needs 10 volts to operate. And the battery always cranked
the engine fine. Back on the ground, the battery measured near 13 volts.
Next theory: Maybe the D-180 is not working right?
I fully charged the battery, removed the charger, and waited a couple of days
before measuring the battery voltage at 13. Just to rule out the battery, I
decided to turn on the master switch and landing light (nothing else) and see
how long the battery would last before running down. After turning on the master,
I heard an intermittent clicking sound for a few seconds, then quiet. The
landing light did not come on. Using the positive battery terminal as a reference
point, the voltage on the master contactor small terminal was 4.5 volts.
Maybe a defective master switch? No. The airframe also measured 4.5 volts.
The negative battery terminal was also at 4.5 volts, but only for a couple
of seconds. Then the landing light came on and the battery measured close to
13 volts. I left the landing light on for a half hour before shutting everything
off. The battery measured 12.4 volts. Maybe there was a bad connection at
the battery? I took the M6 battery bolts out and made sure the ring terminals
were clean and put it all back together and charged the battery. The next
day, everything worked and the battery was still close to 13 volts.
Then today I went into the +90 degree F hangar and turned on the master switch
and landing light. Nothing. The battery voltage varied between 2 and 5 volts.
The voltage must have gone above that for a few milliseconds because the
contactor made a faint click noise periodically.
Of course I will buy a new PC680 battery. I thought the failure mode was unusual
and decided to post about it here. Sometimes the battery was putting out
13 volts and sometimes less than 5 volts. Strange.
--------
Joe Gores
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| Subject: | Re: Intermittent Battery Failure |
>
> Of course I will buy a new PC680 battery. I thought the failure
> mode was unusual and decided to post about it here. Sometimes the
> battery was putting out 13 volts and sometimes less than 5 volts. Strange.
Please send me your old battery. I'll reimburse the postage.
We'll see what we can find out.
PO Box 130
Medicine Lodge, KS 67104
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Intermittent Battery Failure |
Bob,
Does your PO Box accept heavy packages like a battery?
Joe
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Joe Gores
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