---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/20/16: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 AM - Re: Check My Soldering (Art Zemon) 2. 05:43 AM - Re: Check My Soldering (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 06:11 AM - Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Art Zemon) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: Check My Soldering (Art Zemon) 5. 06:24 AM - Re: FAA issues rules for drones (Kelly McMullen) 6. 08:24 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Art Zemon) 7. 08:38 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Daniel Hooper) 8. 08:56 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Neal George) 9. 09:56 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (user9253) 10. 10:03 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 10:13 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (ashleysc@broadstripe.net) 12. 10:21 AM - Mate-n-Lok terminals (Carlos Trigo) 13. 10:22 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 14. 10:25 AM - Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 15. 11:40 AM - Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals (Kent or Jackie Ashton) 16. 01:06 PM - Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals (ARGOLDMAN@aol.com) 17. 01:28 PM - Re: Mate-n-Lok terminals (Robert McCallum) 18. 04:15 PM - (James Robinson) 19. 05:38 PM - Intermittent Battery Failure (user9253) 20. 06:29 PM - Re: Intermittent Battery Failure (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 21. 06:37 PM - Re: Intermittent Battery Failure (user9253) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:07 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check My Soldering Folks, Once again, thank you for your advice. I passed a minor milestone in my airplane project on Monday evening, building the first wiring components. I cut off the two splices that I showed you earlier, where I had interleaved the strands. I redid them from scratch. See photos at the bottom of this page on my blog: https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2016/07/19/physical-electrical-considerations-when-mounting-avionics/ Cheers, -- Art Z. -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:49 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check My Soldering >I redid them from scratch. See photos at the >bottom of this page on my blog:=C2 >https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2016/07/19/physica l-electrical-considerations-when-mounting-avionics/ Look'n good! Know what you mean about the heat . . . living 100 miles from civilization makes quick/n/cheerful a/c services problematic. I've become an ad hoc service tech for my own systems and those of some neighbors. My house machine is again humming nicely but I'm getting ready to saddle up and service a the second of two machines in Sun City . . . and I'm waiting on a part for the a/c in my truck! There can be a down-side to possession of skills and too many tools . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:05 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals Moving from the middle of the wire to the end... I want FastOn terminals. Since I am soldering other stuff, I have no qualms about soldering here, too. Is this the right part? =8B Do I crimp then solder then cover with heat shrink? Which crimper tool? Or should I do something else entirely? Is 0.250 inch the right size or should I wait until I buy my fuse blocks and switches to be sure? Thanks, -- Art Z. -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:39 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check My Soldering I can't tell you how many times I have wished for one of those T-shirts that says, NO I WON"T FIX YOUR COMPUTER -- Art Z. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > > Look'n good! Know what you mean about the heat . . . > living 100 miles from civilization makes quick/n/cheerful > a/c services problematic. I've become an ad hoc > service tech for my own systems and those of some > neighbors. My house machine is again humming nicely > but I'm getting ready to saddle up and service a > the second of two machines in Sun City . . . and > I'm waiting on a part for the a/c in my truck! > > There can be a down-side to possession of skills and > too many tools . . . > -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA issues rules for drones From: Kelly McMullen There is an option in TinyUrl to create a preview link so that anyone can see where the link will take them. On 7/19/2016 9:54 PM, rayj wrote: > > Well, it wouldn't be that hard to hijack Bob's name and a subject line > that had been used. > > Raymond Julian ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:11 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals One more question: for uninsulated FastOn terminals, can I safely buy from the local electronics store or is this like insulated crimp connectors where I have to watch what I get because cheap automotive-grade parts use materials which are less-than-ideal for aviation? -- Art Z. -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:13 AM PST US From: Daniel Hooper Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals This is a related but different question: Bob, others, what do you use to crimp fully insulated Ultra Fast or Ultra Fast Plus terminals? Or is there another non-TE terminal that you prefer? ( I ask because if you DO try to crimp an Ultra Fast with the common PIDG crimper, it will barely work! ) =94Daniel > On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Art Zemon wrote: > > One more question: for uninsulated FastOn terminals, can I safely buy from the local electronics store or is this like insulated crimp connectors where I have to watch what I get because cheap automotive-grade parts use materials which are less-than-ideal for aviation? > > -- Art Z. > > -- > http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:30 AM PST US From: Neal George Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals Art - Get your crimper and terminals from SteinAir. www.steinair.com Neal George Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Art Zemon wrote: > > One more question: for uninsulated FastOn terminals, can I safely buy from the local electronics store or is this like insulated crimp connectors wher e I have to watch what I get because cheap automotive-grade parts use materi als which are less-than-ideal for aviation? > > -- Art Z. > > -- > http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:43 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Installing Female FastOn Terminals From: "user9253" A concern with terminals, whether crimped or soldered, is the wire breaking from vibration. Most people crimp terminals because it does not make the wire stiff, which will lead to eventual breaking. However, a terminal can be soldered as long as the solder does not wick under the wire insulation. The terminal should clamp around the wire insulation. Heat shrink may be added for more support. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458429#458429 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:30 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals At 08:09 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote: >Moving from the middle of the wire to the end... >I want FastOn terminals. Since I am soldering >other stuff, I have no qualms about soldering >here, too. Is this the right part? > >[] > >=8B >Do I crimp then solder then cover with heat >shrink? Which crimper tool? Or should I do something else entirely? > >Is 0.250 inch the right size or should I wait >until I buy my fuse blocks and switches to be sure? .250 is the 95% common choice but why not these terminals? Emacs! You can find them on Digikey at http://tinyurl.com/hkws5dw These are the premium fast-on parts. The terminals you've cited can be installed with the B&C open barrel crimp tool http://tinyurl.com/hxa9wey This article speaks to the technique for using the two-crimp tool on sheet metal pins http://tinyurl.com/9c444zm Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:09 AM PST US From: ashleysc@broadstripe.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals Yes, Bob; Indeed, why not. Just what I was about to start looking for. Cheers!=C2-=C2- Stu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:02:00 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals At 08:09 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote: Moving from the middle of the wire to the end... I want FastOn terminals. S ince I am soldering other stuff, I have no qualms about soldering here, too . Is this the right part? =C3=A2=82=AC=B9 Do I crimp then solder then cover with heat shrink? Which crimper tool? Or should I do something else entirely? Is 0.250 inch the right size or should I wait until I buy my fuse blocks an d switches to be sure? =C2- .250 is the 95% common choice but =C2- why not these terminals? =C2-=C2- You can find them on Digikey at http://tinyurl.com/hkws5dw =C2-=C2- These are the premium fast-on parts. =C2-=C2- The terminals you've cited can be installed with the =C2-=C2- B&C=C2- open barrel crimp tool=C2- http://tinyurl.com/hxa9 wey =C2-=C2- This article speaks to the technique for using the two-crimp =C2-=C2- tool on sheet metal pins=C2- http://tinyurl.com/9c444zm =C2- Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:28 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Mate-n-Lok terminals Guys Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminals discussions, I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple terminals like this Which one is the male and which one is the female? In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed? Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat), or are they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)? Thanks Carlos ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:45 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals At 10:36 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote: >This is a related but different question: > >Bob, others, what do you use to crimp fully >insulated Ultra Fast or Ultra Fast Plus >terminals? Or is there another non-TE terminal that you prefer? > >( I ask because if you DO try to crimp an Ultra >Fast with the common PIDG crimper, it will barely work! ) > >=97Daniel What is the ultra-fast product. That'a a new one on me. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:20 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Installing Female FastOn Terminals At 10:36 AM 7/20/2016, you wrote: >This is a related but different question: > >Bob, others, what do you use to crimp fully >insulated Ultra Fast or Ultra Fast Plus >terminals? Or is there another non-TE terminal that you prefer? > >( I ask because if you DO try to crimp an Ultra >Fast with the common PIDG crimper, it will barely work! ) > >=97Daniel What is the ultra-fast product. That'a a new one on me. OH . . . yeah . . . THOSE things. I think they're in the plasti-grip family . . . no metalic insulation grip. No doubt there is a terminal-friendly too for this product line. My personal choice would be to stick with PIDG or their competitive clones Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mate-n-Lok terminals From: Kent or Jackie Ashton Are you familiar with Anderson Powerpole Connectors? If not, you might want to check them out. I might have seen them mentioned before on this list but if you havent read about them . . . http://w8kvk.com/nc4l/page12/Powerpole_Benefits.pdf https://powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpole-connectors-30amp-bonded?gclid=cpuw3-vvgs4cfue2gqodzaaj-q There are some good Youtubes on them, too. Sorry I did not answer your question! :-) -Kent > On Jul 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Guys > > Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminals discussions, I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple terminals like this > > > > Which one is the male and which one is the female? > In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed? > > Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat), or are they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)? > > Thanks > Carlos ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:40 PM PST US From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mate-n-Lok terminals They are basically Unisex-- you can put the contacts in either housing. I think it is best to put the females in the part that has the exposed tubing and the males in the other part. One thing that I have done when using multiple similar sized housing is to take one of the contact sets and reverse it so that in that housing (and it's mate) it cannot be confused with any others. In my setup I have 2 15 pin mate-n-locks in the same area. This arrangement precludes error. Being somewhat paranoid, I not only crimp the connectors on the wire (using the appropriate crimper) but I solder each and use heat-shrink tubing on each .. Attached is a view of the spiderweb with the connectors. Rich In a message dated 7/20/2016 11:41:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kjashton@vnet.net writes: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kent or Jackie Ashton Are you familiar with Anderson Powerpole Connectors? If not, you might want to check them out. I might have seen them mentioned before on this list but if you haven=99t read about them . . . http://w8kvk.com/nc4l/page12/Powerpole_Benefits.pdf https://powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpole-connectors-30amp-bonded?gclid=c puw3 -vvgs4cfue2gqodzaaj-q There are some good Youtubes on them, too. Sorry I did not answer your question! :-) -Kent > On Jul 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote : > > Guys > > Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminal s discussions, I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple terminals like this > > > > Which one is the male and which one is the female? > In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed ? > > Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat), or are they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)? > > Thanks > Carlos ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:27 PM PST US From: Robert McCallum Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mate-n-Lok terminals The male pins are the ones which fits inside the female. The female pins ar e the ones which surrounds the male. Most mate-n-lock housings will take either m ale or female connections or even a mixture of both so that unique connectors c an be created which will not permit incorrect connection even if there are multip le similar connector bodies present together. Depending upon which size or series mate-n-locks you have they are certainl y capable of carrying Pitot loads and accepting 12 AWG wire. Check the series you have against the rating sheets for wire size and current rating as there ar e several sizes and ratings available. Bob McC > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Carlos Trigo > Date: July 20, 2016 at 1:20 PM > > > > Guys > =C2- > Since it seems there is, right now in this List, the season of terminals > discussions, I have a couple of questions about the Mate-n-Lok multiple > terminals like this > =C2- > > =C2- > Which one is the male and which one is the female? > In which are the male pins and the female pins supposed to be installed? > =C2- > Last question: can I use one of these for AWG #12 wires (Pitot Heat), or are > they not suited for such a high current (10 to 12A)? > =C2- > Thanks > Carlos ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:00 PM PST US From: James Robinson Subject: AeroElectric-List: plz remove me from the list =C2-James Robinson Glasair lll N79R Spanish Fork UT U77 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:56 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Intermittent Battery Failure From: "user9253" The first symptoms appeared a couple of weeks ago. The Dynon D-180 rebooted during decent when the engine was idling. (My D-180 does not have a backup battery installed.) It happened again a few days later. My first thought was that the 6-year-old PC680 battery needed charging. But I dismissed that theory because the D-180 only needs 10 volts to operate. And the battery always cranked the engine fine. Back on the ground, the battery measured near 13 volts. Next theory: Maybe the D-180 is not working right? I fully charged the battery, removed the charger, and waited a couple of days before measuring the battery voltage at 13. Just to rule out the battery, I decided to turn on the master switch and landing light (nothing else) and see how long the battery would last before running down. After turning on the master, I heard an intermittent clicking sound for a few seconds, then quiet. The landing light did not come on. Using the positive battery terminal as a reference point, the voltage on the master contactor small terminal was 4.5 volts. Maybe a defective master switch? No. The airframe also measured 4.5 volts. The negative battery terminal was also at 4.5 volts, but only for a couple of seconds. Then the landing light came on and the battery measured close to 13 volts. I left the landing light on for a half hour before shutting everything off. The battery measured 12.4 volts. Maybe there was a bad connection at the battery? I took the M6 battery bolts out and made sure the ring terminals were clean and put it all back together and charged the battery. The next day, everything worked and the battery was still close to 13 volts. Then today I went into the +90 degree F hangar and turned on the master switch and landing light. Nothing. The battery voltage varied between 2 and 5 volts. The voltage must have gone above that for a few milliseconds because the contactor made a faint click noise periodically. Of course I will buy a new PC680 battery. I thought the failure mode was unusual and decided to post about it here. Sometimes the battery was putting out 13 volts and sometimes less than 5 volts. Strange. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458450#458450 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:59 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Intermittent Battery Failure > > Of course I will buy a new PC680 battery. I thought the failure > mode was unusual and decided to post about it here. Sometimes the > battery was putting out 13 volts and sometimes less than 5 volts. Strange. Please send me your old battery. I'll reimburse the postage. We'll see what we can find out. PO Box 130 Medicine Lodge, KS 67104 Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:28 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Intermittent Battery Failure From: "user9253" Bob, Does your PO Box accept heavy packages like a battery? 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