---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/29/16: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Under Sized Wire (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: Connectors for Wing Roots (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 07:52 AM - Re: Connectors for Wing Roots (ashleysc@broadstripe.net) 4. 08:16 AM - Re: Connectors for Wing Roots (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 09:14 AM - Re: Connectors for Wing Roots (rayj) 6. 01:59 PM - Re: Connectors for Wing Roots (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 05:49 PM - Re: Wire Clamps (Art Zemon) 8. 05:50 PM - Re: Wire Clamps (Art Zemon) 9. 06:50 PM - Re: Wire Clamps (Rene) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:23 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Under Sized Wire At 09:20 PM 8/28/2016, you wrote: >I might=85..I will check at the hanger the next time I am out there. Cool. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:51 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Connectors for Wing Roots At 10:27 PM 8/28/2016, you wrote: >Hi Bob; >I think the "wristlock" is different than the "handshake," but seem >to do the same function. Thanks; I didn't know about wristlock either. >Cheers! Stu. Oh . . . I've not seen the "handshake" c olloquialism applied to terminals before . . . but it seems to make sense for knife splices. TE CONNECTIVITY / AMP 320555 Is this a 'handshake' terminal? Need to keep my hangarspeak dictionary up to date! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:50 AM PST US From: ashleysc@broadstripe.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Connectors for Wing Roots Hi Bob; Yes, I believe you have illustrated the handshake. Is it less colloquially called a knife splice? Cheers! Stu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 6:07:47 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Connectors for Wing Roots At 10:27 PM 8/28/2016, you wrote: Hi Bob; I think the "wristlock" is different than the "handshake," but seem to do the same function. Thanks; I didn't know about wristlock either. Cheers! Stu. Oh . . . I've not seen the "handshake" c olloquialism applied to terminals before . . . but it seems to make sense for knife splices. Is this a 'handshake' terminal? Need to keep my hangarspeak dictionary up to date! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:05 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Connectors for Wing Roots At 09:51 AM 8/29/2016, you wrote: > Hi Bob; >Yes, I believe you have illustrated the handshake. Is it less >colloquially called a knife splice? >Cheers! Stu. Interesting question. A google search on 'knife splice' yielded 390,000 hits; 'hand shake splice' yielded only 151,000 hits. But in spite of my own ignorance for the use of 'hand shake' . . . it's obviously in wide spread use. I can go to bed tonight knowing something that I did not know this morning . . . it's a good day! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Connectors for Wing Roots From: rayj Question regarding both the knife/handshake and wristlock connectors. Do they achieve the high pressure connection that the spade terminals achieve? Aside from electrically insulating them from the environment should any additional steps be taken to "seal them in"? I'm thinking of dielectric grease coating under shrink seal, or even better, adhesive filled shrink seal. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) On 08/29/2016 10:15 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > At 09:51 AM 8/29/2016, you wrote: >> Hi Bob; >> Yes, I believe you have illustrated the handshake. Is it less >> colloquially called a knife splice? >> Cheers! Stu. > > > Interesting question. A google search > on 'knife splice' yielded 390,000 > hits; 'hand shake splice' yielded > only 151,000 hits. But in spite of > my own ignorance for the use of > 'hand shake' . . . it's obviously > in wide spread use. > > I can go to bed tonight knowing > something that I did not know this > morning . . . it's a good day! > > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:20 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Connectors for Wing Roots At 11:13 AM 8/29/2016, you wrote: > >Question regarding both the knife/handshake and wristlock >connectors. Do they achieve the high pressure connection that the >spade terminals achieve? Aside from electrically insulating them >from the environment should any additional steps be taken to "seal >them in"? I'm thinking of dielectric grease coating under shrink >seal, or even better, adhesive filled shrink seal. Ordinary heat-shrink keeps them engaged and free of incidental contamination. It's been done this way on TC aircraft forever . . . did it on B52s in 1960 except we had soft vinyl tubing with string ties on both ends . . . the era before heat-shrink. The purpose of this kind of joint is SERVICEABILITY, ease of opening single strands for maintenance. They've proven quite adequate to the task for decades. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:37 PM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wire Clamps That's a very clever idea. Thank you, Kent. I'll keep that one in mind. Given the way that the interior of the BD-4C is built, I am more likely to rivet a little piece of scrap to a an aluminum angle that is part of the frame than to use epoxy. But you have given me food for thought. -- Art Z. On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Kent or Jackie Ashton wrote: > > On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Art Zemon wrote: > xcI thought that pretty much the only acceptable clamp for wires in an > airplane is Ye Ole MS21919 cushion clamp. Please educate me. > > > What you use on an Experimental only has to be safe, or "in a safe > condition for flight=9D, as your operating limits will make you cer tify. > MS21919 clamps are good but somewhat of a PIA to use. To secure wires to > an engine mount tube you need two of them-double trouble. (Tip: close th em > with a loop of safety wire, insert the screws, then clip-off the safety > wire). > > To show what can be done, here I cut small squares of rubber or silicone > baffle material, wrap it around the wires and secure the bundle with a > tie-wrap. Or I have made little fiberglass mounts out of scrap UNI, > epoxied them where I needed them, and secured wires with tie-wraps. It > won=99t win any awards but it is safe > -Kent > > -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:19 PM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wire Clamps Rene', Do you know how F4 tape compares to Harbor Freight silicon tape @ $3.99 for 10 feet? Or various other brands such as Super Glue, Nashua,and Loctite , all available for well under $10? -- Art Z. On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Rene wrote: > When I want to connect something and I am worried about wear or fit, I us e > F-4 Tape. For example, a couple of wraps around the motor mount and you > can just zip tie away. The zip tie will embed in the rubber and never mo ve > again. Easily removed if need be since there is no adhesive. There are a > lot of uses for this stuff.. > > > If you have never used a fusion tape before..caution, you will q uickly > become addicted to its use. It is fun to play with also. > > > Not cheapbut a little goes a long way. > > > Another use for me is for strain relief for connectors. I wrap it around > the wires and then clamp the back shell around the bundle. Great for whe n > you have only couple of wires going into a DB-25 connector. > > > http://www.f4tape.com/?gclid=CIrJ6ffp384CFQUJaQodXN0PTA > -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:22 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Wire Clamps Not really. I bought some black tape from ?????? and it works fine also. The F4 does seem to fuse better and I think it has more heat resistence. But have never compared. From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Art Zemon Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 6:40 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wire Clamps Rene', Do you know how F4 tape compares to Harbor Freight silicon tape @ $3.99 for 10 feet? Or various other brands such as Super Glue, Nashua,and Loctite , all available for well under $10? -- Art Z. On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Rene wrote: When I want to connect something and I am worried about wear or fit, I use F-4 Tape. For example, a couple of wraps around the motor mount and you can just zip tie away. The zip tie will embed in the rubber and never move again. Easily removed if need be since there is no adhesive. There are a lot of uses for this stuff.. If you have never used a fusion tape before..caution, you will quickly become addicted to its use. It is fun to play with also. Not cheapbut a little goes a long way. Another use for me is for strain relief for connectors. I wrap it around the wires and then clamp the back shell around the bundle. Great for when you have only couple of wires going into a DB-25 connector. http://www.f4tape.com/?gclid=CIrJ6ffp384CFQUJaQodXN0PTA -- http://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" 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